trying to justify cost for MP10

[aaronnohren]

Modes are great, width of flow is fantastic, battery back up is piece of mind, but why I continue to love mine over all other pumps in the low profile. Thousands of dollars of livestock only to clutter it with cords and bulky pumps? Not really my style.

I have an 10 and a 40. I don't think they're "loud" but they definitely aren't quite. As long as I don't have to fall asleep next to them I really don't mind the small hum of the motor.

[Skimmed]

I just got one last week and I love it. It's not silent but it certainly isn't distracting. My clowns love the varying flow.

I'm going to get a second one when my wife has calmed down about spending that much on a "little whirry thing".

[jacob.morgan78]

Is there a cheaper alternative to still get the controllabe flow? I'm looking to add something like this to a 20 gallon tall but can't afford the vortech.

[Allmost]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

Is there a cheaper alternative to still get the controllabe flow? I'm looking to add something like this to a 20 gallon tall but can't afford the vortech.

well .... for a 20G tall tank, not much !

other option is tunze .. with a controller. but the tunze power head itself is much larger than the MP10.

[Realposition]

Just the saved real estate in a small tank is worth it IMO

[jacob.morgan78]

Would I need two mp10's for a 20g tall?

[pnavarro170]

wow im surprised, its way worth it hands down no if ands or butts, i dont think they are loud at all probably the 40 is louder than the 60, i have had them all first hand and is the best flow for your tank. you wont regret it, if you happen to regret it, you can sell it for around $200 if its still pretty new. even old old used ones still sell for $150 so dont worry about that part.

for those that havent tried one then you really cant talk. and for the others its kinda like if you have to ask how much then you probably cant afford it. lol. i would still recommend saving up for one like the rest of us.

[Shoryureppa]

You know you want to buy it. You know it makes sense. You have watched the video reviews, testimonial and the complaints. You've probably seen it in action. You know there is no comparison to any power heads out there, well maybe a Tunze. What the heck are you waiting for?

[jacob.morgan78]

Originally Posted by pnavarro170

wow im surprised, its way worth it hands down no if ands or butts, i dont think they are loud at all probably the 40 is louder than the 60, i have had them all first hand and is the best flow for your tank. you wont regret it, if you happen to regret it, you can sell it for around $200 if its still pretty new. even old old used ones still sell for $150 so dont worry about that part.

for those that havent tried one then you really cant talk. and for the others its kinda like if you have to ask how much then you probably cant afford it. lol. i would still recommend saving up for one like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Shoryureppa

You know you want to buy it. You know it makes sense. You have watched the video reviews, testimonial and the complaints. You've probably seen it in action. You know there is no comparison to any power heads out there, well maybe a Tunze. What the heck are you waiting for?

I don't get the hype... There are still ways to generate random flow for much less money. And for the comment about affording it, I can afford it but don't make a habit out of throwing money at things I don't believe in just because it's the new thing.

I'm waiting for some competition to come about to bring the prices way down. Its so overpriced its not even funny! IMO...

[pnavarro170]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

I don't get the hype... There are still ways to generate random flow for much less money. And for the comment about affording it, I can afford it but don't make a habit out of throwing money at things I don't believe in just because it's the new thing.

I'm waiting for some competition to come about to bring the prices way down. Its so overpriced its not even funny! IMO...

so i have to ask, have you personally had any of the vortech pumps ?

[jacob.morgan78]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

I don't get the hype... There are still ways to generate random flow for much less money. And for the comment about affording it, I can afford it but don't make a habit out of throwing money at things I don't believe in just because it's the new thing.
I'm waiting for some competition to come about to bring the prices way down. Its so overpriced its not even funny! IMO...

Originally Posted by pnavarro170

so i have to ask, have you personally had any of the vortech pumps ?

[Michigan Mike]

I was in (somewhat) the same situation as you. Well, I needed pumps for a 36g corner bowfront, 2 29g, and a 20long. I have a few old school aqua clear powerheads, but I needed more.
Maybe if I only needed a pump for one tank, had to have the status boost of having a $230-290 mp10 that would end up on reef crest mode all the time, then maybe I would have got one, in the future I most likely will, someday...
I ended up getting koralias instead. I got 2 750's,2 550's,and a 425 nano for 1/3rd the price of one mp10wes.
Now I have flow for multiple tanks, I can flip a switch and turn them off for feeding and water changes.
I wouldn't mind having a maxi jet around as they are pretty useful for mixing water etc...

[Peter Eichler]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

I don't get the hype... There are still ways to generate random flow for much less money. And for the comment about affording it, I can afford it but don't make a habit out of throwing money at things I don't believe in just because it's the new thing.

I'm waiting for some competition to come about to bring the prices way down. Its so overpriced its not even funny! IMO...

Vortechs aren't exactly new, especially if you consider them technology... The MP10 is a little newer, but they're just a smaller versions of the MP40 which has been around for years.

[Allmost]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

I don't get the hype... There are still ways to generate random flow for much less money.

what are the other choices ?

what do you give up on ? size it takes in the tank ? undertow ? ...

there are no other choices right now, unless ure willing to give up on some stuff.

[jacob.morgan78]

they are great pumps... they do a lot of things other pumps don't... but doesn't it tick you off how overpriced they are??? IMO, it's not worth so much more money to move water around when other pumps do it for so much cheaper with comparable results (not the same results possibly but they're comparable)

[Led Bizkit]

Got my MP40 on Monday and LOVE THEM!!!

Two of them on my 120 gal

[OodleyBoodely]

I love mine! I bought it for my 37g, but, while waiting to get the 37 running, I put it on my 6gal nano and it was perfect. Now it is on my 37...and it is perfect! I bought it for its small in-tank footprint...I hate seeing all that junk in the tank! Mine has been extremely quiet, too. My tank is right next to my bed, with the mp10 pump about 2 1/2 feet from my head. It is quiet.

[CrazyTom]

My tag is crazy Tom b/c people think I am crazy for spending what I do on fish.....

And honestly they only know that I spend $50 on a fish... not what I spent on lights....

Can I justify spending money on a MP40....

Nope

Can I afford it and do I want it....

Yes sir..... I think I will buy a second for my 90....

[Mavrk]

1 word ... undertow

These things create amazing undertow. The motor on the outside helps with heat too. Plus they have a low profile and have different modes. Really, one is kind of boring but still really cool. Get two and you will be really happy. Get 3 and you can use the Ecosmart modes the way they are supposed to be used (although I think 2 is still enough most of the time).

Edit: they are not silent... especially if running at 100% you will hear them winding up and down. Of course they are quieter if you run them lower (which is another reason why 2 is nice to have).

[Reefmedic79]

I just bit the bullet and purchased a MP10, Should be at my house by the end of the day.

[jacob.morgan78]

Does it matter that you can't point it in a particular direction inside the tank and that it's always gotta be pointing straight ahead like that?

[swcc]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

Does it matter that you can't point it in a particular direction inside the tank and that it's always gotta be pointing straight ahead like that?

Nope. It may disturb the substrate more than say a tunze pointed up to the surface though(at the same GPH rate). If you get two or more, the flow around the tank can be distributed more and the results are less possibility of your substrate being disturbed (which is also true of choosing multiple Tunzes or xyz power head). The vortech provides a randomness to the current in the tank through it's wide dispersion and also the ability to pulse into a wave, or, if put in random reef mode, cycle the flow up and down.

The vortech is also not 'overpriced'...not only is it the only power head that does what it does, it is also not some 'made in china' product built by the lowest bidder to maximize corporate profit.

[cody6766]

I did this for a few years. I have been using Koralia power heads since I got started and have been mostly happy. I've owned 8 over the years and 4 are still running. The failures weren't timeline related. The first failed a few days after purchase, replaced under warranty, one failed after about 4 years, the others within that period.
The tipping point for me was the failure of one old koralia and the want to set up another tank. I onky need flow to get the second tank running and need a little more flow in my solana. I bought a used mp20 instead of buying $100 worth of koralias that may not last. I'll use the koralias in the new project and the vortech in my solana.
The used price is easier to swallow and it's nice to know that I can sell it for about the same as I paid if I don't like it.

[GSMguy]

Originally Posted by mussel and hate

Come clean Almost... you didn't really read my post did you?

He read your post and understood it and you gave your opinion on something you have zero experience with. Who should come clean?

[Allmost]

Originally Posted by jacob.morgan78

they are great pumps... they do a lot of things other pumps don't... but doesn't it tick you off how overpriced they are??? IMO, it's not worth so much more money to move water around when other pumps do it for so much cheaper with comparable results (not the same results possibly but they're comparable)

ok lets compare

you find me a compatitor, and post the price here, with the controller. then we will check to see if the price difference + the extra space + the heat added + thw wire in water is worth it

and no other pump has undertow ... but we can ignore that for now.

Tunze 6095 + controller ?
267 + 160 = $$$$ 420 !!!

and its larger, and doesnt have the undertow !

Edit, even if you take tunze 6055 ... still 233 bucks ! without controller ! same flow [a bit less by numbers actually !]

Korallia .... sure, but they have their own ISsues ... current leackage, not secure enough mounting and so on. they are just lower quality.