The End of our Hobby as we know it! - Page 2

Cahooligan · 04/04/2013, 08:52 PM

added my 2 cents...damn government

bishopthomas · 04/04/2013, 08:58 PM

Just commented:

I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.

blajoie · 04/04/2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishopthomas

Just commented:

I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.

100% agree with you.

sanababit · 04/04/2013, 09:23 PM

good thing i live in another planet

Sana

jimmy frag · 04/04/2013, 09:35 PM

the ban is already in the US is it not ? Mexico ? also the Philipeans and red sea. as far as Indo and Astrailia go there are quotas in place that restrict the amount that comes out of the ocean. Australian government officials are quite strict with poaching and ilegal shipping where as Indo airport customs can be bought for a pack of cigs. i am not against stopping the importing of these corals if the numbers are really as low as they say they are. it would really only take a year for the ocean reefs to re stock its self as these coral grow quite quick. unless of course its global warming that is the cause not the trade. anyways, my thoughts are the government will miss out on a lot of tax dollars and that is something that will not be over looked. there will be compermise.

CIGARSC351W · 04/04/2013, 09:36 PM

I posted my comments. With as many members as this place has I'd hoped to see more than 600 comments. I work in an industry that's under constant threat of legislative action and it's know fun waking up most mornings wondering if today's the day they legislate me out of business.

Drae · 04/04/2013, 09:44 PM

I'll grow WHATEVER I WANT! I do anyway... wink wink

Drae · 04/04/2013, 09:45 PM

Um.. corals I mean. Yeah. . That's what I meant.

jimmy frag · 04/04/2013, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishopthomas

Just commented:

I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.

" it really is criminal IMO. every day Cathay Pacific and Emrits Air arrive at my air port with skids apon skids of coral. i just cant grasp the numbers being shipped to Europe, US and Canada.

jimmy frag · 04/04/2013, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drae

I'll grow WHATEVER I WANT! I do anyway... wink wink

lol, Too Funny

uny2bld · 04/04/2013, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bishopthomas

Just commented:

I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.

+1 Couldn't say it better...

Harlequin mania · 04/04/2013, 09:52 PM

The rules will only apply if it happen for usa market. Asia is not affected.

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uny2bld · 04/04/2013, 09:55 PM

added my comment (there is still only 48 comments)

Shaun v · 04/04/2013, 10:02 PM

I left my comments. Here is what I said,

This proposal is preposterous. I feel that our oceans do need to be better regulated to help protect them however, the aquarium hobby is not what it needs to be protected from. If you want to protect our oceans, stop drilling for oil, stop commercial fishermen from using trawlers, stop polluting the waters, and stop building so close to the beaches which causes erosion and in turn damages the reefs. It is aquarium hobbyists that are helping rebuild the reefs with organizations like CoralRestoration.org. We, as aquarists, also help by growing corals in a controlled environment and sharing these corals with others to help alleviate the stresses on the oceans reefs. This proposal needs to be reevaluated.

hipusmc · 04/04/2013, 10:04 PM

Let your voices be heard!!!!!

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bobssecrtsn · 04/04/2013, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun v

I left my comments. Here is what I said,

This proposal is preposterous. I feel that our oceans do need to be better regulated to help protect them however, the aquarium hobby is not what it needs to be protected from. If you want to protect our oceans, stop drilling for oil, stop commercial fishermen from using trawlers, stop polluting the waters, and stop building so close to the beaches which causes erosion and in turn damages the reefs. It is aquarium hobbyists that are helping rebuild the reefs with organizations like CoralRestoration.org. We, as aquarists, also help by growing corals in a controlled environment and sharing these corals with others to help alleviate the stresses on the oceans reefs. This proposal needs to be reevaluated.

Hey shawn. Im sorry i kind of Copied your comment i hope you do not mind at all i just reworded some stuff and added a bit.

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BlueCorn · 04/04/2013, 10:47 PM

Several thousand tons of wild coral enter the aquarium trade each year. Perhaps if aquaculture were the only way to get corals, people would stop buying wild colonies. I love this hobby but clearly our current rate of consumption is unsustainable.

bobssecrtsn · 04/04/2013, 10:49 PM

As long as AEFW exist Acroporas will no longer exist !

Floyd R Turbo · 04/04/2013, 10:57 PM

MASNA response by Murray Camp

http://www.masna.org/Portals/0/Blog...g%20v3.pdf

Floyd R Turbo · 04/04/2013, 10:58 PM

post a comment here

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2010-0036-0469

GroktheCube · 04/04/2013, 11:28 PM

Are people sure this would apply to aquacultured in addition to wild collected specimens? That seems very strange if true.

blajoie · 04/05/2013, 04:43 AM

OPINION
By Matt Pedersen,
CORAL Magazine Senior Editor

http://www.reef2rainforest.com/2013/...-esa-proposal/

MondoBongo · 04/05/2013, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pdfrogman

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Additionally, I agree with many others here, that strong regulation is the only way to protect where these species come from. I would much rather have these animals thriving in the wild than in my tank. I attempt to do my due diligence, as much as possible, to ensure I buy only aquacultered specimens, but its very hard. I would welcome legislation to make that process easier and help shield our wild places n

I firmly believe that when we lose our wild places, we lose a truly valuable piece of what makes our world amazing, and we are all poorer for it.

mhurley · 04/05/2013, 05:45 AM

Discuss away folks, but keep your political commentary off this forum, it is not the place for it.

pdfrogman · 04/05/2013, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mhurley

Discuss away folks, but keep your political commentary off this forum, it is not the place for it.

With all respect this is a political issue.
I am not trying to make this a political debate over the presidents policies but t is pretty obvious that the two are related

04/04/2013, 09:23 PM	#29
sanababit Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Uranus Posts: 3,094	good thing i live in another planet Sana __________________ Senior Member of the "Hardly any Water Changes, Temp Swinging, T5ing, No Qtining, Frag Exchanging for Fish Food Current Tank Info: 90RR inwall, Octopuss Skimmer, 2 MP40 wQD, 1 MP10 WQD, 2 Radions G4 Pro, Apex Doser, Apex Controller, 400w heater, 30 Gal Sump, Biopellets, Carbon, Gfo, Macroalgae

04/04/2013, 10:02 PM	#39
Shaun v Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Bailey, Colorado Posts: 207	I left my comments. Here is what I said, This proposal is preposterous. I feel that our oceans do need to be better regulated to help protect them however, the aquarium hobby is not what it needs to be protected from. If you want to protect our oceans, stop drilling for oil, stop commercial fishermen from using trawlers, stop polluting the waters, and stop building so close to the beaches which causes erosion and in turn damages the reefs. It is aquarium hobbyists that are helping rebuild the reefs with organizations like CoralRestoration.org. We, as aquarists, also help by growing corals in a controlled environment and sharing these corals with others to help alleviate the stresses on the oceans reefs. This proposal needs to be reevaluated. __________________ "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." ~Jacques Yves Cousteau Current Tank Info: 16.75 gallon rimless star fire glass tank. 3 koralia 425 power heads, 30lbs LS, 22lbs LR. Kessil Tuna Blue 350w light. No sump, no filter, no refugium. Started on March 3, 2012

04/04/2013, 10:47 PM	#42
BlueCorn Retired Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,908	Several thousand tons of wild coral enter the aquarium trade each year. Perhaps if aquaculture were the only way to get corals, people would stop buying wild colonies. I love this hobby but clearly our current rate of consumption is unsustainable. __________________ Doug [I]Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made when establishing tonal relationships. ~ Ansel Adams[/I]

04/04/2013, 10:49 PM	#43
bobssecrtsn Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 686	As long as AEFW exist Acroporas will no longer exist ! __________________ 130G Leemar 36x36x24

04/04/2013, 10:57 PM	#44
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	MASNA response by Murray Camp http://www.masna.org/Portals/0/Blog...g%20v3.pdf __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

04/04/2013, 08:52 PM	#26
Cahooligan Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Jersey Posts: 339	added my 2 cents...damn government

04/04/2013, 08:58 PM	#27
bishopthomas Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 20	Just commented: I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.

04/04/2013, 09:35 PM	#30
jimmy frag Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: burlington ontario Posts: 845	the ban is already in the US is it not ? Mexico ? also the Philipeans and red sea. as far as Indo and Astrailia go there are quotas in place that restrict the amount that comes out of the ocean. Australian government officials are quite strict with poaching and ilegal shipping where as Indo airport customs can be bought for a pack of cigs. i am not against stopping the importing of these corals if the numbers are really as low as they say they are. it would really only take a year for the ocean reefs to re stock its self as these coral grow quite quick. unless of course its global warming that is the cause not the trade. anyways, my thoughts are the government will miss out on a lot of tax dollars and that is something that will not be over looked. there will be compermise.

04/04/2013, 09:36 PM	#31
CIGARSC351W Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NH Posts: 66	I posted my comments. With as many members as this place has I'd hoped to see more than 600 comments. I work in an industry that's under constant threat of legislative action and it's know fun waking up most mornings wondering if today's the day they legislate me out of business.

04/04/2013, 09:44 PM	#32
Drae RAIDER NATION! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: City of sin... Posts: 3,476	I'll grow WHATEVER I WANT! I do anyway... wink wink

04/04/2013, 09:45 PM	#33
Drae RAIDER NATION! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: City of sin... Posts: 3,476	Um.. corals I mean. Yeah. . That's what I meant.

04/04/2013, 09:52 PM	#37
Harlequin mania Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 56	The rules will only apply if it happen for usa market. Asia is not affected. Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

04/04/2013, 09:55 PM	#38
uny2bld Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hudson Falls, NY Posts: 219	added my comment (there is still only 48 comments)

04/04/2013, 10:04 PM	#40
hipusmc Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: N houston tx Posts: 21	Let your voices be heard!!!!! Agency: NOAA Document ID: NOAA-NMFS-2010-0036-0469 Your Comment Tracking Number: 1jx-84lg-9rtn Note this tracking number to find your comment at a later date.

04/04/2013, 10:58 PM	#45
Floyd R Turbo Either busy or sleeping Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: West Des Moines, IA Posts: 4,265 Blog Entries: 15	post a comment here http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2010-0036-0469 __________________ Algae Scrubber Basics!!! GOOGLE "algaescrubber zoho" General Interest Forums --> Advanced Topics --> Algae Scrubber Basics (sticky) --> POSTS #3251-64 (Basics), #5206 (Cleaning), #6884 (LEDs), #729

04/04/2013, 11:28 PM	#46
GroktheCube Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 2,063	Are people sure this would apply to aquacultured in addition to wild collected specimens? That seems very strange if true.

04/05/2013, 04:43 AM	#47
blajoie Moved On Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: MA Posts: 40	OPINION By Matt Pedersen, CORAL Magazine Senior Editor http://www.reef2rainforest.com/2013/...-esa-proposal/

04/05/2013, 05:45 AM	#49
mhurley RC Staff Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Illinois'ish Posts: 38,805	Discuss away folks, but keep your political commentary off this forum, it is not the place for it. __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: 60G Cube