Best DC return Pump - Page 2

gus6464 · 11/01/2016, 02:50 PM

Couldn't you just get a big red dragon and run manifold to feed tank, skimmer, reactors, etc. like the RD3 Speedy 150W but honestly the 80W might do the job since your tank is not that big.

FirstContact · 11/01/2016, 03:34 PM

Too bad Abyzz isn't a sponsor. They'd get more votes.

gcarroll · 11/01/2016, 04:07 PM

IMO, I don't think any pump is comparable to the Abyzz. There are other good pumps out there but i feel that none are even equal when all things are compared.

yifan917 · 11/01/2016, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

imo, i don't think any pump is comparable to the abyzz. There are other good pumps out there but i feel that none are even equal when all things are compared.

+1

ali1 · 11/01/2016, 08:07 PM

Ignore jebao. Short lifecycle and no warranty or customer service. Had 2 dc12000 that lasted 6months. Also had 4 rw-15 that lasted nomore than 4months. Sadly Im going back to koralias for my powerheads and eheim for return

mlb75 · 11/02/2016, 08:26 AM

Is the M1 as quiet as the RD or nearly?

Also are you running these external or internal? I've been running my Blueline 70HD external (obviously) and figured that was the best way to lessen heat transfer with any pump but since I'm about to make the switch to a DC return if the difference is negligible then maybe I'd just put it in the sump to save space under the stand.

johnike · 11/02/2016, 08:41 AM

I'm running a Waveline DC12000.
Not a problem in 2 years.

gcarroll · 11/02/2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mlb75

Is the M1 as quiet as the RD or nearly?

Also are you running these external or internal? I've been running my Blueline 70HD external (obviously) and figured that was the best way to lessen heat transfer with any pump but since I'm about to make the switch to a DC return if the difference is negligible then maybe I'd just put it in the sump to save space under the stand.

Yes it is. There is a video on youtube where they tested the two and they are right on par with each other.

gcarroll · 11/02/2016, 10:46 AM

Here is a link to that test.
https://youtu.be/QqniuK_gFvk

gus6464 · 11/02/2016, 10:58 AM

Are there any noise tests with the Abyzz?

RobZilla04 · 11/02/2016, 11:57 AM

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/pumps-...mps/abyzz.html

for those prices the Abyzz pumps better be less than quiet... :0

mlb75 · 11/02/2016, 12:26 PM

Holly crap that Abyzz is expensive, for that price it better do more than move water. It might be the best out there but how much better is it than the Red Dragon or EcoTech to justify the price difference?

mlb75 · 11/02/2016, 12:28 PM

Any preference for running them internal vs external?

slief · 11/02/2016, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mlb75

Holly crap that Abyzz is expensive, for that price it better do more than move water. It might be the best out there but how much better is it than the Red Dragon or EcoTech to justify the price difference?

Best advice I can give you is to read up on the different threads here on RC. There is a big thread here on the Vectra with lots of user experience. Start at the end of the thread if you want the most recent experiences. If you search by model. I.E. Vectra, Abyzz, RD3 and do the search by title, you will find plenty of threads on all these brands. That said, the Abyzz pumps are terrific pumps. If you need serious head pressure, they are about the only choice right now when it comes to a DC pump though that will soon be changing. They are like fire hydrants when it comes to pressure and being able to generate lots of flow with lots of head pressure.

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Originally Posted by mlb75

Any preference for running them internal vs external?

I run my RD3 230's externally. I like that they are easy to access that way but it's kind of a 6 of this, half dozen of the other situation. Personally, I like running my pumps externally where ever possible provided there is enough space. I have another tank with an RD3 80 inside the sump because of limited space under that tank. There are some pumps such as the Jebao's that are prone to leaking when run externally.

mlb75 · 11/02/2016, 01:10 PM

OK that makes a little more sense then if they're able to overcome head pressure as well, that would be worth additional money if you needed that feature, fortunately I don't.

I'm all for paying up for nice stuff, I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, buy things once and don't look back. I absolutely love my BK skimmer but unless there's some real convincing data on the pumps I'll probably be going EcoTech on this one.

gcarroll · 11/02/2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gus6464

Are there any noise tests with the Abyzz?

Not to my knowledge. It would be cool if someone wanted to conduct the test. Do you have the capabilities? I know you live in So Cal as do I.

ksed · 11/02/2016, 02:17 PM

Wow! After seeing that video the Vectra is the way to go.

gus6464 · 11/02/2016, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gcarroll

Not to my knowledge. It would be cool if someone wanted to conduct the test. Do you have the capabilities? I know you live in So Cal as do I.

I have home audio calibration equipment like a calibrated condenser mic and pc setup but it's quite a convoluted setup just to measure spl haha.

gcarroll · 11/02/2016, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gus6464

I have home audio calibration equipment like a calibrated condenser mic and pc setup but it's quite a convoluted setup just to measure spl haha.

Considering my background in car audio, i used to have an SPL meter. Of course that was a couple decades ago.

ca1ore · 11/02/2016, 09:03 PM

Vectra is hands down the best DC pump I've used ...... though, come to think of it, it's the only DC pump I've used

ksed · 11/02/2016, 09:53 PM

JMO
If you want a high end pump then go with the Abyzz.
The best bang for the buck then go with the Vectra.
Unfortunately the R/E sits in no man's land. It has a good motor block but the lack of an advanced controller makes it subpar. The Abyzz as well as the Vectra utilize a far more advanced controller which may provide many more benefits for your needs.

Joe Kelley · 11/03/2016, 01:57 PM

Hows the heat from Vectra L1?

jmicky41 · 11/05/2016, 05:04 PM

Yes, how is the heat from any of these pumps?

My old dinosaur of a pump (gri 518 - 15 years old) is making a racket and it may be time to start pump shopping. Do any of these pumps have 1" input and .75" output?

mfinn · 11/05/2016, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jmicky41

Do any of these pumps have 1" input and .75" output?

The Vectra M1 is, using the supplied blue collar fittings.

jmicky41 · 11/05/2016, 08:49 PM

Thanks

I just spent a few hours on the Vectra thread - it went from "these pumps are great" to loads of problem at about the 10 month mark.

11/01/2016, 03:34 PM	#27
FirstContact Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Glenn Dale, MD Posts: 1,613	Too bad Abyzz isn't a sponsor. They'd get more votes. __________________ No man is an island entire of itself; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne Current Tank Info: 120g Reef 100g Rubbermaid Sump, 20g Refugium; previous tank: 46g Drilled; Self Plumbed, Birds Nest, Anchor, Xenia, Zoas, Yuma Yuma Ricordea, Chalice, Mushrooms, Brain, Acan, Anenome Plate; Clams, Other Inverts, Fish, Live Rock

11/01/2016, 04:07 PM	#28
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	IMO, I don't think any pump is comparable to the Abyzz. There are other good pumps out there but i feel that none are even equal when all things are compared. __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ... Last edited by gcarroll; 11/01/2016 at 04:18 PM.

11/01/2016, 08:07 PM	#30
ali1 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 997	Ignore jebao. Short lifecycle and no warranty or customer service. Had 2 dc12000 that lasted 6months. Also had 4 rw-15 that lasted nomore than 4months. Sadly Im going back to koralias for my powerheads and eheim for return __________________ Originally Posted by Gogandantess "I'm totally frustrated by this disease. My display has been fallow for 2 months now. If ich happened to mysteriously appear again, I'm giving up and going back to African Cichilds."

11/02/2016, 08:26 AM	#31
mlb75 Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chesapeake VA Posts: 399	Is the M1 as quiet as the RD or nearly? Also are you running these external or internal? I've been running my Blueline 70HD external (obviously) and figured that was the best way to lessen heat transfer with any pump but since I'm about to make the switch to a DC return if the difference is negligible then maybe I'd just put it in the sump to save space under the stand. __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: Currently tankless planning ~90G nano

11/02/2016, 10:46 AM	#34
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	Here is a link to that test. https://youtu.be/QqniuK_gFvk __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

11/01/2016, 02:50 PM	#26
gus6464 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,079	Couldn't you just get a big red dragon and run manifold to feed tank, skimmer, reactors, etc. like the RD3 Speedy 150W but honestly the 80W might do the job since your tank is not that big.

11/02/2016, 08:41 AM	#32
johnike Moved On Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bureau County Illinois Posts: 5,406	I'm running a Waveline DC12000. Not a problem in 2 years.

11/02/2016, 10:58 AM	#35
gus6464 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,079	Are there any noise tests with the Abyzz?

11/02/2016, 11:57 AM	#36
RobZilla04 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: St. Augustine, FL Posts: 1,857	http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/pumps-...mps/abyzz.html for those prices the Abyzz pumps better be less than quiet... :0 __________________ 90g Mixed Reef

11/02/2016, 12:26 PM	#37
mlb75 Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chesapeake VA Posts: 399	Holly crap that Abyzz is expensive, for that price it better do more than move water. It might be the best out there but how much better is it than the Red Dragon or EcoTech to justify the price difference? __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: Currently tankless planning ~90G nano

11/02/2016, 12:28 PM	#38
mlb75 Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chesapeake VA Posts: 399	Any preference for running them internal vs external? __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: Currently tankless planning ~90G nano

11/02/2016, 01:10 PM	#40
mlb75 Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chesapeake VA Posts: 399	OK that makes a little more sense then if they're able to overcome head pressure as well, that would be worth additional money if you needed that feature, fortunately I don't. I'm all for paying up for nice stuff, I'm a firm believer in you get what you pay for, buy things once and don't look back. I absolutely love my BK skimmer but unless there's some real convincing data on the pumps I'll probably be going EcoTech on this one. __________________ Mike Current Tank Info: Currently tankless planning ~90G nano

11/02/2016, 02:17 PM	#42
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	Wow! After seeing that video the Vectra is the way to go.

11/02/2016, 09:03 PM	#45
ca1ore Grizzled & Cynical Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 17,319	Vectra is hands down the best DC pump I've used ...... though, come to think of it, it's the only DC pump I've used __________________ Simon Got back into the hobby ..... planned to keep it simple ..... yeah, right ..... clearly I need a new plan! Pet peeve: anemones host clowns; clowns do not host anemones! Current Tank Info: 450 Reef; 120 refugium; 60 Frag Tank, 30 Introduction tank; multiple QTs

11/02/2016, 09:53 PM	#46
ksed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,867	JMO If you want a high end pump then go with the Abyzz. The best bang for the buck then go with the Vectra. Unfortunately the R/E sits in no man's land. It has a good motor block but the lack of an advanced controller makes it subpar. The Abyzz as well as the Vectra utilize a far more advanced controller which may provide many more benefits for your needs.

11/03/2016, 01:57 PM	#47
Joe Kelley Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: North Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,022	Hows the heat from Vectra L1? __________________ 130 gallon LeeMar rimless 54"x28"x21" and 70 gallon sump cycling, rock and sand.

11/05/2016, 05:04 PM	#48
jmicky41 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 891	Yes, how is the heat from any of these pumps? My old dinosaur of a pump (gri 518 - 15 years old) is making a racket and it may be time to start pump shopping. Do any of these pumps have 1" input and .75" output? __________________ The bake sale to raise money for the carwash has been cancelled - due to confusion. Current Tank Info: 125 fowlr: 280watts VHO, 75LBS of mixed rock, Deltec AP600 skimmer, wet dry, GRi 518 return pump, 15 watt Aqua UV,(2) tunze 6000 on a 7095, goldflake angel(RIP), flame angel(8 years old), mitratus butterfly, yellow tang, majestic rabbitfsih

11/05/2016, 08:49 PM	#50
jmicky41 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 891	Thanks I just spent a few hours on the Vectra thread - it went from "these pumps are great" to loads of problem at about the 10 month mark. __________________ The bake sale to raise money for the carwash has been cancelled - due to confusion. Current Tank Info: 125 fowlr: 280watts VHO, 75LBS of mixed rock, Deltec AP600 skimmer, wet dry, GRi 518 return pump, 15 watt Aqua UV,(2) tunze 6000 on a 7095, goldflake angel(RIP), flame angel(8 years old), mitratus butterfly, yellow tang, majestic rabbitfsih