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reeformadness · 04/13/2006, 11:56 AM

I disagree. Whenever there are smokers in my home, I seem to find butts in the wierdest of places. In the fish tanks, on the floor, etc.

Maybe you should be more careful about who you invite into your home. Your friends that don't smoke could easily behave the same way if they smoked. Let's not bash smokers for this. It was the idiot's fault. Maybe idiot's are more prone to smoke, but this doesn't make all smokers idiots. There are many other stupid ways to kill yourself including ingesting mass quantities of cholesterol, sun burns, alcohol, lack of exercise, unprotected sex, etc. to name a few. I have no aspirations to rob people of those rights, as long as they don't hurt me, my family, or my belongings.

rottface4 · 04/13/2006, 12:14 PM

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I have no aspirations to rob people of those rights, as long as they don't hurt me, my family, or my belongings.

This statement seems like a bit of a contradiction for a smoker doesn't it?

MyMonkey · 04/13/2006, 12:17 PM

Amazing, I have never heard of such a thing. Smoker or not, people never cease to amaze me. I don't allow smoking in my house at all. I do occasionally (rarely) smoke cigars, but never inside. That and the beer just blows me away.

reeformadness · 04/13/2006, 12:24 PM

This statement seems like a bit of a contradiction for a smoker doesn't it?

I can't imagine how...I'm not suggesting nonsmokers should be forced to inhale second hand smoke. The contradiction is that many people only seem to care about their health when it comes to smoking.

mille239 · 04/13/2006, 12:25 PM

some people's gene pool could use a little more chlorine.

RichConley · 04/13/2006, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by reeformadness
This statement seems like a bit of a contradiction for a smoker doesn't it?

I can't imagine how...I'm not suggesting nonsmokers should be forced to inhale second hand smoke. The contradiction is that many people only seem to care about their health when it comes to smoking.

Because your smoking hurts everyone around you. Thats how its a contradiction. THe basic premise that one accepts when one lights up is "this small pleasure for me is more important than my health, and everyone within 30 feet of me, or who will come within 30 feet of me, or the area I smoked in"

I dont let smoking go on in my house either.

You may not throw your butts everywhere, without regard to where they go, but that doesnt make you the average smoker by any stretch.

As to people only caring about smoking when it comes to their health? Yeah, true, but part of that is because smoking is SO MUCH worse for you than any of these other things.

compulou · 04/13/2006, 01:09 PM

Yup, yup, I would of let him go as far as saying "ent" in entertainment and I would of been wiping his a$$ all over the floor!!!

The freaking nerve of some people!!!

Good luck gobiesguy.

kimoyo · 04/13/2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by gobiesguy05
Though the guest was drinking, no one there was drunk that night. He said he put the second one in the tank soully for the entertainment. "I liked the way it make the fish react" he said. From what he said, the fish would swim to it then nip at it and swim away when it first hit the water.

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Originally posted by gibbswagon
you are a nicer guy then me! I would have punched him in the face just for entertainment!

I have to agree, right then it would have been on.

RichConley · 04/13/2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by kimoyo
I have to agree, right then it would have been on.

I would have poured a beer in his TV or soemthing like that.

....entertainment....

dl1030 · 04/13/2006, 01:45 PM

^^lol, all the little pixels acted funny when i poured the first beer on your TV, the second one was for entertainment.

reeformadness · 04/13/2006, 01:55 PM

"this small pleasure for me is more important than my health, and everyone within 30 feet of me, or who will come within 30 feet of me, or the area I smoked in"

If you think coming within 30 feet of me AFTER having a cigarette is bad for your health then don't come within 30 feet of me. We'll both be happier and healthier for it.

albinooscar · 04/13/2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by RichConley
He sounds like your average smoker to me. They actually fight for the right to give other people cancer around here (fighting for the right to smoke in bars/restaurants/etc.) They just seem like a crowd that in general doesnt care about what their actions do to others.

That is totally uncalled for!

Talk about stereotyping!

I would like to say to you "You sound like the average non-smoker" but I'm not going to

I'm a smoker

and know a lot of smokers that would not even think about doing something like that!

I, for one, would like an apology!

Ron

RichConley · 04/13/2006, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by albinooscar

I, for one, would like an apology!

Ron

Sorry Ron, its nice htat you wouldnt do it, but the two times I have found people smoking in my house, I have found butts somewhere they shouldnt be.

I didnt say every smoker is like that, I said the average one is.

albinooscar · 04/13/2006, 02:24 PM

Can you explain to me what an "average smoker" is?

BTW They don't fight for the right to give other people cancer, they fight for the freedom of choice the non-smokers are trying to take from them. To smoke or not to smoke.

I don't think the government should ban smoking in every establishment. I think that it should be up to the owner. Or at the very most, make the owner post that "This is a smoking establishment". Remember, non-smokers make the decision to go into the smoke, we do not force them to go. Why can't we have bars that are non-smoking bars? Because a lot of the people that go to bars are smokers. So how's baning smoking going to affect bars?

It's like being arrested for drinking in a bar.

Ron

fish_taste_good · 04/13/2006, 02:38 PM

i see this going off topic fast....

AS for things near the tank, my friends know better. I have never had anything appear in any of my tanks. I used to allow smoking in my apartment when I smoked back in college. We had some crazy parties but everyone knows not to mess with the tank.

Now, the tank sits in my living room and I keep an eye on it all the time during my parties now. Everyone still knows not to mess with it.

Smoking outdoors only - drinking allowed everywhere

RichConley · 04/13/2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by albinooscar
Can you explain to me what an "average smoker" is?

BTW They don't fight for the right to give other people cancer, they fight for the freedom of choice the non-smokers are trying to take from them. To smoke or not to smoke.

I don't think the government should ban smoking in every establishment. I think that it should be up to the owner. Or at the very most, make the owner post that "This is a smoking establishment". Remember, non-smokers make the decision to go into the smoke, we do not force them to go. Why can't we have bars that are non-smoking bars? Because a lot of the people that go to bars are smokers. So how's baning smoking going to affect bars?

It's like being arrested for drinking in a bar.

Ron

The problem is, your smoking hurts other people. Cigarette smoke gives many of us serious breathing problems. You can go in a non smoking bar and be fine, I cant go into a smoking bar and be fine.

I could use the same argument that you're saying to say that I should have the right to throw acid on people. You're hurting other people, and you dont have a right to do that. Thats what it comes down to.

As to making the decision to go into the smoke, thats crap. I can't walk down the street near my house without having to walk through a cloud.

Froggy · 04/13/2006, 02:48 PM

To me the "Average smoker" seems to be someone who does not care for my health or anyone elses health that are around them and only care about their own selfish need for a cigarette. I have no problems with people that smoke as long as they do it in an area that only affects them and not the other person that has no interest in breathing their 2nd hand smoke containing well over 4,000 chemicals.

What would be the difference in this. Lets say for argument sake that I like the smell of rotten eggs and sulfur. I have this stuff bottled in a can. I am eating dinner at a table near you and decide "It's time for a hit of stink". I start spraying the rotten egg spray at my table. I love it. I guarantee you will have a problem with it................ I am also tired of watching cigarette butts bouncing off of my car because smokers do not want the butts or ashes in their in car ashtray. Besides, they keep their change in there. That is what it is designed for...right ??? Just my experience.

back to the topic.... I hope the tank works out and everything makes it through.

colesy · 04/13/2006, 02:56 PM

Wow, I didn't realize there were so many other people that had such strong feelings about smoking.. I can't stand it, and don't see any point in it. I have a few friends that smoke, they are good people, and even so it bugs me when they smoke. They will just throw the cigarette but wherever they want... Maybe there are lot's of smokers out there that make an effort to find a trash can, but I haven't seen one yet.

BTW, the reason why the smokers on this board would never put a but in someones tank, is because you are educated in reef keeping. I am sure it hasn't stopped you from throwing a but out the car window, or dropping one on the side walk. It's just as bad if you ask me.

albinooscar · 04/13/2006, 03:38 PM

See, there y'all go, blaming the smokers. Why do we have to worry about non-smokers health? What's the matter they can't can't do it themselves without take rights away from other people?

It all comes down to the right to choose. All of us have the choice of weather to smoke or not to smoke, weather to breathe smoke or not to breathe smoke. But now a right of someone who chose to smoke is being taken away just because (shall I stereotype?) the average non-smoke thinks they have more rights than smokers.

Let's worry about the number one cause of death:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...jury_in_us.htm

http://www.karlloren.com/Diabetes/p68.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/he...almedicine.htm

Are we going to make the medical system and doctors illegal?
It's no wonder that malpractice insurance is so high.

Ron

albinooscar · 04/13/2006, 03:46 PM

BTW, I'm finished with this thread. I'll leave it to all the bleeding hearts that think they know best and can change the world by taking away rights and freedom of choice.

Ron

Froggy · 04/13/2006, 03:48 PM

I have the right to eat somewhere that is smoke free. You are right. We all have a choice as to whether we will smoke , not smoke, breathe smoke or not. I choose not to. I do not need smokers to choose for me. That is the difference. If you choose to smoke, FINE!. You smoke. I shouldn't have to smoke because you do.

"Should we make Doctors illegal" ?? That is rediculous. Yes hospitals and the medical profession make mistakes and bad things can and do happen. Doctors also do a lot of good. Cigarettes do nothing good for ANYONE. Including you. I have said my peace and will say no more. This thread is way off topic and no longer reef related.

Chad Vossen · 04/13/2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by Andrew
Tell him your $850 Chinese clownfish died.

you beat me to it, i was thinkin of a $200. peperment shrimp.

well probly claim you had 3 die that cost 45$ each. worse i have had a friend do was use a sharpie to color a favorite picture of a iguana in one of my magazines. i yelled at him and ever since he has had the most respect for the things i have.

if i found something thats not soposed to be in my tank after i had friends over, yes, hell would be knocking on their door.

Hattie B · 04/13/2006, 04:10 PM

Me too.

When I saw the 850 clown fish I thought it was hysterical... you should do that even just for giggles.. Maybe he'll sweat a little bit.

______

Speaking for someone who IS in Oncology research, no one perspective on smoking either which way will change anything, besides start a fight and name calling.

Currently I am heavily involved in lung cancer models and there is a lot more to it then breathing second hand smoke. People can get lung cancers in numerous ways including not smoking..

I currently support my dad who is a smoker and has been for 50+ years, even though myself and my organizaiton is activly looking for therapies to treat cancers I still feel it's an individual choice, some are like people who said before; more considerate than others.. If you want smoke free places more to Ca there are lots of them here..

colesy · 04/13/2006, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by albinooscar
See, there y'all go, blaming the smokers. Why do we have to worry about non-smokers health? What's the matter they can't can't do it themselves without take rights away from other people?

It all comes down to the right to choose. All of us have the choice of weather to smoke or not to smoke, weather to breathe smoke or not to breathe smoke. But now a right of someone who chose to smoke is being taken away just because (shall I stereotype?) the average non-smoke thinks they have more rights than smokers.

Let's worry about the number one cause of death:

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...jury_in_us.htm

http://www.karlloren.com/Diabetes/p68.htm

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/he...almedicine.htm

Are we going to make the medical system and doctors illegal?
It's no wonder that malpractice insurance is so high.

Ron

I don't think I have more rights then a smoker at all.. You say that we have the right not to breathe in your second hand smoke.. That is exactly it, we do have that right, but when people smoke around other people, you lose that right, because you cannot help but inhale second hand smoke. So the only way to get around it is to take all the people that don't care about breathing in the smoke, and put them together where it doesn't effect the people that choose not to breathe it in.. You can come back and say well if you don't want to be around smoking then don't go out to places that will have smokers. That's great, but why do non smokers have to sacrifice?

Everyone keeps pointing out that there are other things that can kill you as well. Who is to say that non-smokers aren't trying to avoid them, by eating healthy, staying in shape etc...

The botten line is smoking is bad for you. It's proven. In no way is it healthy. Same with second hand smoke. If you choose to smoke that is perfectly fine, that is your choice. But when your smoking effects others around you, then you should take that into consideration when doing it. Don't get all snotty and think that non-smokers are against you. Is it a bad thing that non smokers are concerned about there health?

It boggles my mind that people think they should be able to smoke anywhere they want. Would you light up a smoke right infront of you child, and let them inhale the smoke? I sure hope not.

allen00se · 04/13/2006, 04:59 PM

I used to get into trouble when I was in college for playing my music loud during a party at about 2 am.
**** Sarcasm On*****If above mentioned smoker lived next to me, im sure that he would be fighting for my RIGHTS to play my music while his kids were trying to sleep. After all, he has the choice to stay in the house next door or move, so why should I be forced to turn my music down. ****Sarcasm Off****
There are instances every day where we must sacrifice some of our RIGHTS to make this world a better place, and most of those instances dont even involve cancer for everyone in the area.
Smokers, just wait till after dinner to smoke, how hard is that? I like to burp after some good mexican food, but I wait till the drive home.
Thanks,
Krys

04/13/2006, 11:56 AM	#26
reeformadness Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 650	lets be fair I disagree. Whenever there are smokers in my home, I seem to find butts in the wierdest of places. In the fish tanks, on the floor, etc. Maybe you should be more careful about who you invite into your home. Your friends that don't smoke could easily behave the same way if they smoked. Let's not bash smokers for this. It was the idiot's fault. Maybe idiot's are more prone to smoke, but this doesn't make all smokers idiots. There are many other stupid ways to kill yourself including ingesting mass quantities of cholesterol, sun burns, alcohol, lack of exercise, unprotected sex, etc. to name a few. I have no aspirations to rob people of those rights, as long as they don't hurt me, my family, or my belongings.

04/13/2006, 12:17 PM	#28
MyMonkey Persona Non Grata Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 2,106	Amazing, I have never heard of such a thing. Smoker or not, people never cease to amaze me. I don't allow smoking in my house at all. I do occasionally (rarely) smoke cigars, but never inside. That and the beer just blows me away. __________________ The worst thing about an unwritten law is that you don't know where to go to erase it. Current Tank Info: 20 Long.10 months to my 240 In wall with Fish Room.

04/13/2006, 12:25 PM	#30
mille239 Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Harrison Twp., MI Posts: 1,644	some people's gene pool could use a little more chlorine. __________________ -Blair Disclaimer: No trees were harmed in the creation of this post, though a significant number of electrons may have been inconvenienced. Current Tank Info: 120 SPS reef in progress, 120 mixed reef, currently being completely rebuilt)

04/13/2006, 01:45 PM	#35
dl1030 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa City, Iowa Posts: 276	^^lol, all the little pixels acted funny when i poured the first beer on your TV, the second one was for entertainment. __________________ Two fish are in a tank. One says to the other... "You drive. I'll man the guns." Current Tank Info: 90g in-wall w/40g sump, ER8-3(sedra 5000), Mag7 return, Mag 12 CL, 2x400MH+2x96PC

04/13/2006, 01:55 PM	#36
reeformadness Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 650	agree to disagree "this small pleasure for me is more important than my health, and everyone within 30 feet of me, or who will come within 30 feet of me, or the area I smoked in" If you think coming within 30 feet of me AFTER having a cigarette is bad for your health then don't come within 30 feet of me. We'll both be happier and healthier for it.

04/13/2006, 12:24 PM	#29
reeformadness Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 650	This statement seems like a bit of a contradiction for a smoker doesn't it? I can't imagine how...I'm not suggesting nonsmokers should be forced to inhale second hand smoke. The contradiction is that many people only seem to care about their health when it comes to smoking.

04/13/2006, 01:09 PM	#32
compulou Moved On Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 951	Yup, yup, I would of let him go as far as saying "ent" in entertainment and I would of been wiping his a$$ all over the floor!!! The freaking nerve of some people!!! Good luck gobiesguy.

04/13/2006, 02:24 PM	#39
albinooscar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Elburn, IL USA Posts: 502	Can you explain to me what an "average smoker" is? BTW They don't fight for the right to give other people cancer, they fight for the freedom of choice the non-smokers are trying to take from them. To smoke or not to smoke. I don't think the government should ban smoking in every establishment. I think that it should be up to the owner. Or at the very most, make the owner post that "This is a smoking establishment". Remember, non-smokers make the decision to go into the smoke, we do not force them to go. Why can't we have bars that are non-smoking bars? Because a lot of the people that go to bars are smokers. So how's baning smoking going to affect bars? It's like being arrested for drinking in a bar. Ron __________________ Fly who sits on toilet seat, gets off! >)))'><'(((< Never frown, Even when you're sad, Because you never know who is falling in love with your smile. Current Tank Info: 29gal FW - Goldfish - 55gal Planted FW - 55gal SW

04/13/2006, 02:38 PM	#40
fish_taste_good Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 632	i see this going off topic fast.... AS for things near the tank, my friends know better. I have never had anything appear in any of my tanks. I used to allow smoking in my apartment when I smoked back in college. We had some crazy parties but everyone knows not to mess with the tank. Now, the tank sits in my living room and I keep an eye on it all the time during my parties now. Everyone still knows not to mess with it. Smoking outdoors only - drinking allowed everywhere __________________ Looking for a day job Current Tank Info: 240 Reef

04/13/2006, 02:48 PM	#42
Froggy Reef "Hobbyist"...right!? Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 2,160	To me the "Average smoker" seems to be someone who does not care for my health or anyone elses health that are around them and only care about their own selfish need for a cigarette. I have no problems with people that smoke as long as they do it in an area that only affects them and not the other person that has no interest in breathing their 2nd hand smoke containing well over 4,000 chemicals. What would be the difference in this. Lets say for argument sake that I like the smell of rotten eggs and sulfur. I have this stuff bottled in a can. I am eating dinner at a table near you and decide "It's time for a hit of stink". I start spraying the rotten egg spray at my table. I love it. I guarantee you will have a problem with it................ I am also tired of watching cigarette butts bouncing off of my car because smokers do not want the butts or ashes in their in car ashtray. Besides, they keep their change in there. That is what it is designed for...right ??? Just my experience. back to the topic.... I hope the tank works out and everything makes it through.

04/13/2006, 02:56 PM	#43
colesy Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44	Wow, I didn't realize there were so many other people that had such strong feelings about smoking.. I can't stand it, and don't see any point in it. I have a few friends that smoke, they are good people, and even so it bugs me when they smoke. They will just throw the cigarette but wherever they want... Maybe there are lot's of smokers out there that make an effort to find a trash can, but I haven't seen one yet. BTW, the reason why the smokers on this board would never put a but in someones tank, is because you are educated in reef keeping. I am sure it hasn't stopped you from throwing a but out the car window, or dropping one on the side walk. It's just as bad if you ask me.

04/13/2006, 03:38 PM	#44
albinooscar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Elburn, IL USA Posts: 502	See, there y'all go, blaming the smokers. Why do we have to worry about non-smokers health? What's the matter they can't can't do it themselves without take rights away from other people? It all comes down to the right to choose. All of us have the choice of weather to smoke or not to smoke, weather to breathe smoke or not to breathe smoke. But now a right of someone who chose to smoke is being taken away just because (shall I stereotype?) the average non-smoke thinks they have more rights than smokers. Let's worry about the number one cause of death: http://www.mercola.com/2000/jul/30/doctors_death.htm http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...jury_in_us.htm http://www.karlloren.com/Diabetes/p68.htm http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/he...almedicine.htm Are we going to make the medical system and doctors illegal? It's no wonder that malpractice insurance is so high. Ron __________________ Fly who sits on toilet seat, gets off! >)))'><'(((< Never frown, Even when you're sad, Because you never know who is falling in love with your smile. Current Tank Info: 29gal FW - Goldfish - 55gal Planted FW - 55gal SW

04/13/2006, 03:46 PM	#45
albinooscar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Elburn, IL USA Posts: 502	BTW, I'm finished with this thread. I'll leave it to all the bleeding hearts that think they know best and can change the world by taking away rights and freedom of choice. Ron __________________ Fly who sits on toilet seat, gets off! >)))'><'(((< Never frown, Even when you're sad, Because you never know who is falling in love with your smile. Current Tank Info: 29gal FW - Goldfish - 55gal Planted FW - 55gal SW

04/13/2006, 03:48 PM	#46
Froggy Reef "Hobbyist"...right!? Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canton, MI Posts: 2,160	I have the right to eat somewhere that is smoke free. You are right. We all have a choice as to whether we will smoke , not smoke, breathe smoke or not. I choose not to. I do not need smokers to choose for me. That is the difference. If you choose to smoke, FINE!. You smoke. I shouldn't have to smoke because you do. "Should we make Doctors illegal" ?? That is rediculous. Yes hospitals and the medical profession make mistakes and bad things can and do happen. Doctors also do a lot of good. Cigarettes do nothing good for ANYONE. Including you. I have said my peace and will say no more. This thread is way off topic and no longer reef related.

04/13/2006, 04:10 PM	#48
Hattie B Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: California Posts: 738	Me too. When I saw the 850 clown fish I thought it was hysterical... you should do that even just for giggles.. Maybe he'll sweat a little bit. ______ Speaking for someone who IS in Oncology research, no one perspective on smoking either which way will change anything, besides start a fight and name calling. Currently I am heavily involved in lung cancer models and there is a lot more to it then breathing second hand smoke. People can get lung cancers in numerous ways including not smoking.. I currently support my dad who is a smoker and has been for 50+ years, even though myself and my organizaiton is activly looking for therapies to treat cancers I still feel it's an individual choice, some are like people who said before; more considerate than others.. If you want smoke free places more to Ca there are lots of them here.. __________________ I'm growing older but not up... A person can solve a lot of problems by FIRST using a QT tank.. QT all new fish. I like softies =) Current Tank Info: 75gal and 50gal rimless :)

04/13/2006, 04:59 PM	#50
allen00se Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: OKLAHOMA Posts: 172	I used to get into trouble when I was in college for playing my music loud during a party at about 2 am. ** Sarcasm On*If above mentioned smoker lived next to me, im sure that he would be fighting for my RIGHTS to play my music while his kids were trying to sleep. After all, he has the choice to stay in the house next door or move, so why should I be forced to turn my music down. Sarcasm Off** There are instances every day where we must sacrifice some of our RIGHTS to make this world a better place, and most of those instances dont even involve cancer for everyone in the area. Smokers, just wait till after dinner to smoke, how hard is that? I like to burp after some good mexican food, but I wait till the drive home. Thanks, Krys