I just got Kauai Live sand!! - Page 2

jjmg · 04/13/2006, 08:27 PM

I can send all you west coasters some sugar white northwest Florida panhandle sand--silica--for a small fee--hurricane debris included free of charge

All kidding aside, I think it's pretty cool of your grandparents to take enough interest in their grandkids hobbys to go out and collect a bag of sand.

I think I'd try to keep it in one corner to be able to pick it out in the future.

davocean · 04/13/2006, 09:14 PM

Sorry if it sounded like I was baggin ya dude.
You just gave me a Brady Bunch flashback!
You're lucky to have granparents that take interest in you and you're hobby.
Good luck man

alikatoes · 04/13/2006, 09:50 PM

I have an *** load of Hawaiian sand!

Kinetic · 04/13/2006, 09:51 PM

it definately is cool of your grandparents. look at how they brought it, in a plastic bag and everything. lucky to have a relationship with your grandparents, especially with them being interested in you and your hobbies

Nano_reeflover · 04/13/2006, 09:52 PM

No, no I'm not mad at you

I think that my response was unappropriate. I am sorry. It just ticks me off when people make stupid, redundant, and/or mean posts.

Doesnt make any sense to me

ZOKU · 04/13/2006, 09:57 PM

Live or not... you have sand from Kaua'i...

affan · 04/13/2006, 10:17 PM

Wow. Sand from Hawaii? Man, that is so cool!!!!

John@JP · 04/13/2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by alikatoes
I have an *** load of Hawaiian sand!

I bet... everytime you come back from swimming...LOL

starseed · 04/15/2006, 02:19 PM

Well...

Kaua'i waters don't support coral very much, mainly on the west side where you need a boat to get to. But after snorkling there, the sand is some of the most active I'm ever seen in nature. I spent an entire afternoon just watching the sand - it was so cool. Tons of gobies, pistol shrimp, worms, wierd things, tons of stuff.

I also think it's cool when family and friend show an interest in a very complicated hobby. Sometime I want to tell my friends now I lowered my Nitrates or acclimated a clam and they just look at me like I'm speaking in chinese.

witchdoctor · 04/15/2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by JumboShrimp
Do the viniger test - Put some of the sand in a cup, and pour some viniger on it. If it Fizzes, or bubbles a little bit, then its calcium based, and therefore what you want in your tank. If not, then its probably Silicate sand, witch is no good for reef tanks. If you do use it, I would suggest seeding it with some live sand.

Pretty much all beach sand in Hawai'i is biologically based, that is, from the breakdown of reef and shells. That is why the sand has such a light texture (as opposed to sand in Cali., for example, which results from the breakdown of rock(i.e., silica).

Nanoreeflover is right about it not being "taboo." Only lava and black and green sand are what you shouldn't take so that you don't offend Pele, the goddess of the volcano. Incidentally, the green and black sand beaches are the only ones in Hawai'i that aren't biologically based.

Yes, I said green sand, there are a couple of spectacular green sand beaches, like Mahana Bay.

witchdoctor · 04/15/2006, 03:21 PM

Here is a picture of Mahana Bay, and its green sand beach.

JCDelbeek · 04/15/2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by omni2226
Always nitpickers....sigh...why cant you people just say "man thats cool, your granparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand!"

Oh the sentiment was very nice I agree, no one would dispute that. However, breaking the law/ignoring local regulations is not. The problem is that most people do not even think about checking with the local authorities, they just assume everything is okay. That is what I have a problem with .. people not realizing that there may be local regulations against what they are doing. Name what you will ..... fish collecting, fishing, boating, hiking, etc ... many states require that you purchase licenses or have permits for these activities. Bottom line ... always check with local agencies .. don't just assume.

Also here in Hawaii, there are certain areas where the local population does not take kindly to "outsiders" removing anything from "their" beaches or waters ... not a healthy situation to put oneself in .... believe me. Beaches that tourists frequent the most are not of this type, however. But anyone going off the beaten path best be aware of this.

As for the comment that the person at the airport who inspected and found the sand did not appear concerned about it either a) assumed it was dry beach sand which is okay to take or b) did not know about the regulations about removing "live" sand. They are more concerned about people taking fruits and vegetables out of the state due to disease and pest issues.

So enjoy your sand, but next time tell your relatives to check the local regulations before they decide to bring you back anything else for your aquarium.

Finally, yes the sand is of biological origin but can you be sure there aren't ANY volcanic sand grains mixed in there too?? Afterall, all the rocks there are of volcanic origin ... will Pele be upset that those specs are gone? ... I guess only time will tell ...

Aloha!
JCD

affan · 04/15/2006, 10:30 PM

this one

Nano_reeflover · 04/15/2006, 10:34 PM

They did check regulations before getting the sand. I should have also mentioned that they have been living in Kauai for about 3 months out of the year for about 10 years now. So I'm pretty sure they arent totally unaware of laws and regulations. Its perfectly legal to take sand from the beach as long as its not more than the allowed amount. Here are some links:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...0205a-0044.htm
And on this page about a 1/4 the way down:
http://www.state.hi.us/dlnr/dar/libr...l_liverock.htm
I cant find anywhere that it says it is not ok to take sand as long as its in moderation. If you have any links that tell more about it, please share them. I appreciate your post and the information

Travis

JCDelbeek · 04/16/2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by Nano_reeflover
They did check regulations before getting the sand. I should have also mentioned that they have been living in Kauai for about 3 months out of the year for about 10 years now. So I'm pretty sure they arent totally unaware of laws and regulations. Its perfectly legal to take sand from the beach as long as its not more than the allowed amount. Here are some links:
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...0205a-0044.htm
And on this page about a 1/4 the way down:
http://www.state.hi.us/dlnr/dar/libr...l_liverock.htm
I cant find anywhere that it says it is not ok to take sand as long as its in moderation. If you have any links that tell more about it, please share them. I appreciate your post and the information

Travis

Travis, I did not say it was not okay to take live sand .. only that there are regulations in place that limit how much you can take. This first link you provided states this quite clearly:

" Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§205A-44 Prohibitions. (a) The mining or taking of sand, dead coral or coral rubble, rocks, soil, or other beach or marine deposits from the shoreline area is prohibited with the following exceptions:

(1) The taking from the shoreline area of the materials, not in excess of one gallon per person per day, for reasonable, personal, noncommercial use, provided that stricter provisions may be established by the counties;"

The second link is a bit more vague in that it says you can collect sand "under special circumstances" but doesn't say what they are.

Your message above is the first time you have mentioned that your grandparents were aware of the regulations and did check ... something you neglected to mention in your previous posts. Since this is the case and they did indeed follow those regulations, then there is no problem

Equally interesting is the following little tidbit from your second link that most people posting about collecting fish while in Hawaii on vacation fail to do, is apply for the following permit:

10) Aquarium Permit - required for any person to use fine mesh net for collecting aquatic life for an aquarium. Report required if commercial. HRS Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§188-31.

Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§188-31 Permits to take aquatic life for aquarium purposes. (a) Except as prohibited by law, the department, upon receipt of a written application, may issue an aquarium fish permit, not longer than one year in duration, to use fine meshed traps, or fine meshed nets other than throw nets, for the taking of marine or freshwater nongame fish and other aquatic life for aquarium purposes.

(b) Except as prohibited by law, the permits shall be issued only to persons who can satisfy the department that they possess facilities to and can maintain fish and other aquatic life alive and in reasonable health.

(c) It shall be illegal to sell or offer for sale any fish and other aquatic life taken under an aquarium fish permit unless those fish and other aquatic life are sold alive for aquarium purposes.

The department may adopt rules pursuant to chapter 91 for the purpose of this section.

(d) For the purposes of this section:

(1) "Aquarium purposes" means to hold salt water fish, freshwater nongame fish, or other aquatic life alive in a state of captivity as pets, for scientific study, or for public exhibition or display, or for sale for these purposes; and

(2) "Aquarium fish permit" means a permit issued by the board for the use of fine mesh nets and traps to take salt water fish, freshwater nongame fish, or other aquatic life for aquarium purposes. [L 1953, c 124, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§1, 2, 3; RL 1955, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§21-64; am L 1961, c 30, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§1, 2 and c 132, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§2; HRS Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§188-31; am L 1979, c 154, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§1; gen ch 1985; am L 1992, c 96, Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â§2]

Aloha!
JCD

ricka · 07/04/2006, 02:14 PM

I just got back from Kaua`i and I brought back about a pound of live sand soaked in ocean water. I dropped in in my tank and as soon as I opened the container a mini bittle star crawled out. I can't wait to see what else comes out of it.

--Rick

mjdlonghorn · 07/05/2006, 06:40 AM

LOL, Your easily impressed. You grandparents went all the way to Hawaii and all you got was a bag of dirt.

Hey kid, I spent the 4th at the lake. Would you like me to send you a bag of "rare central Texas live refugium mud?!? LOL

I wish I was as simple.

RicksReefs · 07/05/2006, 07:17 AM

wishes do come true...taking the time to type out an insult is the sign the a simple mind...

msuzuki126 · 07/05/2006, 09:06 AM

My grandparents brought me back a couple rocks from Aruba, they were on the beach and all dried up. Now they are covered in coralline in my tank. I think it's cool we have people like that who think of us.

OCDP · 07/05/2006, 01:18 PM

That's pretty sweet man, I'd like to be able to say my sand came from Hawaii

Sift through the bad and take in the good.. it doesn't matter what others say/think, it's all about what you think and how you feel about it. However, be prepared for the worst (always) and be prepared to debate and discuss in this board. This is how it works around here... it's up to YOU to take in the good and leave out the bad... you'll learn this laong the way.

Crusty Old Shellback · 07/05/2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Fuegofish777
ya it wont be live but how many people can say they have actual sand from hawaii???

I've got a 400 G tank with a 6" sand bed, all Hawaiian Beach sand.

The person I got my setup from had it shipped in from the island. They sell it in the local Lowes there where it's used to make concrete.

It may have been dead when he got it but beleive me, it's full of all kinds of life now after 4 years.

Congrats on getting a little something that most people don't have. And I'm sure there's something alive in the sand somewhere.

physicslord · 07/05/2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by witchdoctor

Nanoreeflover is right about it not being "taboo." Only lava and black and green sand are what you shouldn't take so that you don't offend Pele, the goddess of the volcano. Incidentally, the green and black sand beaches are the only ones in Hawai'i that aren't biologically based.

I understand this was done in innocence, but I don't think anyone should try to repeat this act.

As someone from Hawaii pointed out. It's disrespectful of Hawaiian culture to take any part of the islands back home, sand, rocks or otherwise.

It is silly to argue that taking one thing is okay, while another is not. I just don't appreciate it when people think they can go to Hawaii and take stuff. There's a reason the native Hawaiians dislike tourists. I don't like it when tourists continue to support the stereotype.

Of course, I'm sure there's a small amount of sand in my bathing suit when I come home, but I don't intentionally bring large amounts of it home.

Crusty Old Shellback · 07/05/2006, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by RicksReefs
wishes do come true...taking the time to type out an insult is the sign the a simple mind...

Agreed.

SCR · 07/05/2006, 03:07 PM

"man thats cool, your granparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand!"
LOL

yamaha racer · 07/05/2006, 04:42 PM

i love the green sand beach except for the like 2 miles both way walk thing.....thats cool that ur grandpa brought back sand. i would like to get my hands on some of that black sand from hawaii, its so soft and bright compared to the other black sands they sell that are dull. good luck with the tank. keep us posted...o ya and ride hard! u got to pin it to win it!

04/13/2006, 09:14 PM	#27
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Sorry if it sounded like I was baggin ya dude. You just gave me a Brady Bunch flashback! You're lucky to have granparents that take interest in you and you're hobby. Good luck man __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

04/13/2006, 09:57 PM	#31
ZOKU Resident Ninja Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 560	Live or not... you have sand from Kaua'i... __________________ - SCOTT. Check out my homepage to see my build! Current Tank Info: 40B / Super Reef Octopus SRO2000INT / 35-gal. acrylic sump+refuge / 120W LED lighting / Water Blaster 3000 Return... IN PROGRESS!

07/05/2006, 09:06 AM	#44
msuzuki126 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dutchess County, New York Posts: 1,377	My grandparents brought me back a couple rocks from Aruba, they were on the beach and all dried up. Now they are covered in coralline in my tank. I think it's cool we have people like that who think of us. __________________ Red House=My 90 build. Matt. Current Tank Info: 90 rebuild

07/05/2006, 01:18 PM	#45
OCDP Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Eh? Posts: 2,759	That's pretty sweet man, I'd like to be able to say my sand came from Hawaii Sift through the bad and take in the good.. it doesn't matter what others say/think, it's all about what you think and how you feel about it. However, be prepared for the worst (always) and be prepared to debate and discuss in this board. This is how it works around here... it's up to YOU to take in the good and leave out the bad... you'll learn this laong the way. __________________ aaaaaaaannddd.......... I'm broke. Current Tank Info: 20g Mixed Reef / 130w Coralife PC's / Koralia, Seio PH's / AquaC Nano / AC50 /

04/13/2006, 08:27 PM	#26
jjmg Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pensacola, Fl Posts: 1,897	I can send all you west coasters some sugar white northwest Florida panhandle sand--silica--for a small fee--hurricane debris included free of charge All kidding aside, I think it's pretty cool of your grandparents to take enough interest in their grandkids hobbys to go out and collect a bag of sand. I think I'd try to keep it in one corner to be able to pick it out in the future.

04/13/2006, 09:50 PM	#28
alikatoes Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Honolulu Hawaii Posts: 219	I have an *** load of Hawaiian sand!

04/13/2006, 09:51 PM	#29
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	it definately is cool of your grandparents. look at how they brought it, in a plastic bag and everything. lucky to have a relationship with your grandparents, especially with them being interested in you and your hobbies

04/13/2006, 09:52 PM	#30
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	No, no I'm not mad at you I think that my response was unappropriate. I am sorry. It just ticks me off when people make stupid, redundant, and/or mean posts. Doesnt make any sense to me

04/13/2006, 10:17 PM	#32
affan Moved On Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: From NYC, currently serving time in Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 1,125	Wow. Sand from Hawaii? Man, that is so cool!!!!

04/15/2006, 02:19 PM	#34
starseed Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 275	Well... Kaua'i waters don't support coral very much, mainly on the west side where you need a boat to get to. But after snorkling there, the sand is some of the most active I'm ever seen in nature. I spent an entire afternoon just watching the sand - it was so cool. Tons of gobies, pistol shrimp, worms, wierd things, tons of stuff. I also think it's cool when family and friend show an interest in a very complicated hobby. Sometime I want to tell my friends now I lowered my Nitrates or acclimated a clam and they just look at me like I'm speaking in chinese.

04/15/2006, 03:21 PM	#36
witchdoctor Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 188	Here is a picture of Mahana Bay, and its green sand beach.

04/15/2006, 10:30 PM	#38
affan Moved On Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: From NYC, currently serving time in Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 1,125	this one

04/15/2006, 10:34 PM	#39
Nano_reeflover Reefer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 449	They did check regulations before getting the sand. I should have also mentioned that they have been living in Kauai for about 3 months out of the year for about 10 years now. So I'm pretty sure they arent totally unaware of laws and regulations. Its perfectly legal to take sand from the beach as long as its not more than the allowed amount. Here are some links: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscur...0205a-0044.htm And on this page about a 1/4 the way down: http://www.state.hi.us/dlnr/dar/libr...l_liverock.htm I cant find anywhere that it says it is not ok to take sand as long as its in moderation. If you have any links that tell more about it, please share them. I appreciate your post and the information Travis

07/04/2006, 02:14 PM	#41
ricka Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Whittier, CA Posts: 1,069	I just got back from Kaua`i and I brought back about a pound of live sand soaked in ocean water. I dropped in in my tank and as soon as I opened the container a mini bittle star crawled out. I can't wait to see what else comes out of it. --Rick

07/05/2006, 06:40 AM	#42
mjdlonghorn Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 108	LOL, Your easily impressed. You grandparents went all the way to Hawaii and all you got was a bag of dirt. Hey kid, I spent the 4th at the lake. Would you like me to send you a bag of "rare central Texas live refugium mud?!? LOL I wish I was as simple.

07/05/2006, 07:17 AM	#43
RicksReefs Moved On Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In America's Dangling Junk State. Posts: 6,413	wishes do come true...taking the time to type out an insult is the sign the a simple mind...

07/05/2006, 03:07 PM	#49
SCR Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Central, Fl Posts: 708	"man thats cool, your granparents doing that for ya enjoy the new sand!" LOL

07/05/2006, 04:42 PM	#50
yamaha racer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Gypsy Posts: 1,131	i love the green sand beach except for the like 2 miles both way walk thing.....thats cool that ur grandpa brought back sand. i would like to get my hands on some of that black sand from hawaii, its so soft and bright compared to the other black sands they sell that are dull. good luck with the tank. keep us posted...o ya and ride hard! u got to pin it to win it!