TUNZE Stream vs. ECOTECH Vortech - Page 2

Daceman89 · 04/28/2006, 05:37 AM

i think 2 6100 in a 120 is too much flow. i have a 180gal bb with two 6100's and i have to keep them no more then half way up on the controller if not, everything would start blowing away. i think if you get 6000's you would have the option of turning up all the way or turning down without a problem. unless you see yourself upgrading anytime soon to atleast a 200gal. i would go with two 6000's

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Originally posted by gath2
two 6100's would be find in a barebootom 120. You could always go with the 6000's and they are controllable.

I don't think you would be happy with just the 1 Vortech. It won't give you nearly the flow that you have now. I would think you would want 2 Vortech's and you can't even control them yet.

prodman · 04/28/2006, 06:34 AM

I have 2 6100s in my 120 and am adding a third. Two alone are not even that much imo. As far as how much the third helps we shall have to see when I get it set up. I also have a dart for my return pump. If you do go with 6000s they can be upgraded to a 6100 by swaping out the transformer.

PITSTOP · 04/28/2006, 06:36 AM

Pretty, pretty, pretty good information prodman.

prodman · 04/28/2006, 06:43 AM

I am very happy with my setup by the way. I just wanted to try a bit more. And I forgot to mention I use the multicontroller which is priceless imo. The other good things about tunzes is when bought used you can easily get your money back out of them.

phlipper84 · 04/28/2006, 08:05 AM

This item is newer than new. I believe that barring unforseeable problems, the vortech may overtake the tunze stream movement. If the company is knowledgeable, they will surely put out the accessories everyone wants; ie. controller flow directional devices, etc.

RGibson · 04/28/2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally posted by extinguishfire
I plan to get a vortech and turn it down low as it will go. I am getting it just for the battery back up feature when it comes out.

Tunze will have a battery back up in about 45 days.

MORAY69 · 05/03/2006, 05:22 AM

It would be cool if you could direct the flow of the vortech as well as scoot it along the glass like an algea cleaning magnet.

Charlie Davidson · 05/03/2006, 05:30 AM

My vote, Tunze.

bureau13 · 05/03/2006, 10:33 AM

Several people have said they have one on their tank (a Vortech that is) but as was pointed out by someone on the first page, its listed as "pre-order only" pretty much everywhere. How are those of you who have them getting them? Are you partaking in a beta test or something?

jds

PITSTOP · 05/03/2006, 11:01 AM

bureau13 - many have been shipped out weeks ago...

masterswimmer · 05/03/2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by bureau13
Several people have said they have one on their tank (a Vortech that is) but as was pointed out by someone on the first page, its listed as "pre-order only" pretty much everywhere. How are those of you who have them getting them? Are you partaking in a beta test or something?

jds

As PITSTOP said, many were shipped out in the first batch weeks ago. I know at least 1/2 dozen people with them. Just about every single one of them has had problems with them as well. Read on for a quote from Tim (from Vortech):

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Customers,

We made a poor materials choice when we switched from metal drive shafts to plastic toward the end of beta prototyping. We've already sent out new drive shafts made from a better plastic for this application. If you own two pumps, you will have two parts arriving.

Included with the driveshaft is a drawing showing where to install the part. It is a very simple installation.

We appologize for any inconvienence this may have caused.

Feel free to contact us with any questions.

-Tim

1SickReefer · 05/03/2006, 11:37 AM

hrm, gotta love beta testing for a company for 345 a pop

..

I just picked up 2x6000 and a 7095 for my 120. I love the flow, it has completely rearranged my SSB, a serious upgrade from 2 820 sieo super craps.

I got the 6000's and plan to upgrade the transformer in the future when I go big

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bureau13 · 05/03/2006, 01:55 PM

Do you know where they were shipped from? Is it a specific vendor that had the first batch? Or have the Marine Depots, etc just failed to update their site?

I will probably wait while they get the bugs out, but I think I see a couple of these in my future.

jds

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Originally posted by PITSTOP
bureau13 - many have been shipped out weeks ago...

blu0honu · 05/03/2006, 02:58 PM

what is the power consumption of the VorTech?

elephen · 05/03/2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally posted by MORAY69
It would be cool if you could direct the flow of the vortech as well as scoot it along the glass like an algea cleaning magnet.

You can't move the pump while its in operation and once you move it you have to 'reset' it. I would also think that IC/Ecotec would tell you to note drag it around like that, can't be good for it.

If you want an algae magnet get a $6 mag float, not a $345 one

Zoalander · 05/03/2006, 04:02 PM

MJ1200's all the way.

Johnsteph10 · 05/03/2006, 05:14 PM

People who own Tunze will vote for Tunze. People who bought Vortech will vote for Vortech.

It's all about what you want.

For me, Tunze is proven, controllable, aimable, and customer service is excellent. When Vortech can be all of these, then I may consider them as well...but not until then.

RGibson · 05/03/2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by Johnsteph10
People who own Tunze will vote for Tunze. People who bought Vortech will vote for Vortech.

It's all about what you want.

For me, Tunze is proven, controllable, aimable, and customer service is excellent. When Vortech can be all of these, then I may consider them as well...but not until then.

Will said John you said it much better then i every could. Have a good day.

Fliger · 05/03/2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by RGibson
Tunze will have a battery back up in about 45 days.

Man don't get me excited like that. I checked with Roger and he said they're working on it, but it won't be until close to the end of the year.

As for the two Johnsteph said it best - however I think one might be better than the other in different applications. I'm putting a 6100 on a WaveseaPlus and it will oscillate in my tank, I could never use Vortech for that. But I'm thinking about a Vortech to put on the side of my tank in the bottom back corner to keep detritus from collecting back there. It would probably be a better choice than the Tunze.

I've read that the Vortech has a wide flow, but the screen on the 6200 has a superwide flow (I also replaced my 6100's with 6200 screens) - and I still found it necessary to direct the flow with a wide tank.

I'm anxious to see Phil's Vortech!

RGibson · 05/03/2006, 05:50 PM

Roger will have better idea when he goes to Germany in a few days but i think the battery back up will be out much sooner than that.

Fliger · 05/03/2006, 06:08 PM

I hope you're right. But this is what I just received from Roger so I'm gonna take Roger's word on what Roger knows ...

"We are working on some alternative power supplies but it is unlikely anything will be ready until at least November."

Maybe US availability is built into his time frame?

RGibson · 05/03/2006, 06:28 PM

Yes we are the tail in of the dog.

Johnsteph10 · 05/03/2006, 06:53 PM

RGibson -

BRISK495 · 05/03/2006, 09:20 PM

The TUNZE is a great proven product. It has controllers and awesome flow. The drawback is it looks like a giant trashcan in a tank. If Vortechs live up to the hype, they are more aestecally pleasing and you can hide them. I think that is where they have an edge. Although there is nothing wrong with looking at a TUNZE either, I just prefer more space for the corals etc.

MORAY69 · 05/04/2006, 04:39 AM

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You can't move the pump while its in operation and once you move it you have to 'reset' it. I would also think that IC/Ecotec would tell you to note drag it around like that, can't be good for it.

I'm just saying that scooting it around would be cool because that would give you another way to easily change the direction of flow.

04/28/2006, 06:34 AM	#27
prodman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: napa,ca Posts: 3,305	I have 2 6100s in my 120 and am adding a third. Two alone are not even that much imo. As far as how much the third helps we shall have to see when I get it set up. I also have a dart for my return pump. If you do go with 6000s they can be upgraded to a 6100 by swaping out the transformer. __________________ everything that happens will happen today Current Tank Info: 120XL

04/28/2006, 06:36 AM	#28
PITSTOP Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 1,592	Pretty, pretty, pretty good information prodman. __________________ SPS-Anon Current Tank Info: 120 SPS

04/28/2006, 06:43 AM	#29
prodman Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: napa,ca Posts: 3,305	I am very happy with my setup by the way. I just wanted to try a bit more. And I forgot to mention I use the multicontroller which is priceless imo. The other good things about tunzes is when bought used you can easily get your money back out of them. __________________ everything that happens will happen today Current Tank Info: 120XL

05/03/2006, 05:30 AM	#33
Charlie Davidson Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Deltaville , Va Posts: 10,977	My vote, Tunze. __________________ Richmond Reef Club Current Tank Info: Doing without for a while :)

05/03/2006, 11:01 AM	#35
PITSTOP Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwich, CT Posts: 1,592	bureau13 - many have been shipped out weeks ago... __________________ SPS-Anon Current Tank Info: 120 SPS

04/28/2006, 08:05 AM	#30
phlipper84 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 1,024	This item is newer than new. I believe that barring unforseeable problems, the vortech may overtake the tunze stream movement. If the company is knowledgeable, they will surely put out the accessories everyone wants; ie. controller flow directional devices, etc.

05/03/2006, 05:22 AM	#32
MORAY69 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southern Oregon Posts: 52	It would be cool if you could direct the flow of the vortech as well as scoot it along the glass like an algea cleaning magnet.

05/03/2006, 10:33 AM	#34
bureau13 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,936	Several people have said they have one on their tank (a Vortech that is) but as was pointed out by someone on the first page, its listed as "pre-order only" pretty much everywhere. How are those of you who have them getting them? Are you partaking in a beta test or something? jds

05/03/2006, 11:37 AM	#37
1SickReefer Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Perryville, MD Posts: 1,048	hrm, gotta love beta testing for a company for 345 a pop .. I just picked up 2x6000 and a 7095 for my 120. I love the flow, it has completely rearranged my SSB, a serious upgrade from 2 820 sieo super craps. I got the 6000's and plan to upgrade the transformer in the future when I go big .

05/03/2006, 02:58 PM	#39
blu0honu Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: bay area, ca Posts: 70	what is the power consumption of the VorTech?

05/03/2006, 04:02 PM	#41
Zoalander Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Oak Park Illinois Posts: 1,571	MJ1200's all the way. __________________ Previously known as Vetter1980 Current Tank Info: 36x36x10 frag tank

05/03/2006, 05:14 PM	#42
Johnsteph10 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The South Posts: 2,537	People who own Tunze will vote for Tunze. People who bought Vortech will vote for Vortech. It's all about what you want. For me, Tunze is proven, controllable, aimable, and customer service is excellent. When Vortech can be all of these, then I may consider them as well...but not until then. __________________ John Current Tank Info: None

05/03/2006, 05:50 PM	#45
RGibson RGibson Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,377	Roger will have better idea when he goes to Germany in a few days but i think the battery back up will be out much sooner than that. __________________ RGibson

05/03/2006, 06:08 PM	#46
Fliger Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 8,642	I hope you're right. But this is what I just received from Roger so I'm gonna take Roger's word on what Roger knows ... "We are working on some alternative power supplies but it is unlikely anything will be ready until at least November." Maybe US availability is built into his time frame? __________________ Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. Closed minds should come with closed mouths. When life hands you lemons, add vodka! Current Tank Info: Current: 210G Elos System, 2x400W + 6x54W Photon w/Aquaconnects, H&S skimmer, Deltec FR509/ROWAphos+Elos Carbon, 6101's and 6201's, Ocean GEOtronic 900 Chiller/Heater, Biotopus II Controller w/SMS. Elos System 70.

05/03/2006, 06:28 PM	#47
RGibson RGibson Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 2,377	Yes we are the tail in of the dog. __________________ RGibson

05/03/2006, 06:53 PM	#48
Johnsteph10 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The South Posts: 2,537	RGibson - __________________ John Current Tank Info: None

05/03/2006, 09:20 PM	#49
BRISK495 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: South Harrison, NJ Posts: 1,024	The TUNZE is a great proven product. It has controllers and awesome flow. The drawback is it looks like a giant trashcan in a tank. If Vortechs live up to the hype, they are more aestecally pleasing and you can hide them. I think that is where they have an edge. Although there is nothing wrong with looking at a TUNZE either, I just prefer more space for the corals etc. __________________ My addiction began as a kid visiting Martin's Aquarium!! Current Tank Info: 100 starphire rimless in planning since January 2012. 100 Gallon Rubbermaid Basement Sump and 65 gallon refugium.