Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? - Page 2

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smjtkj
The snapper and the dart use exactly the same pump volute and ao smith motor. The only difference is the impeller. That is what changes the gph and the wattage. I am building a skimmer right now using the dart/snapper pump with DLS material. I put it on a bucket and the foam is incredible with very little turbulence even in a 5 gallon bucket. The bubble master threadwheel is so simple to make it is almost silly!

Hey Micheal
After all the effort in making your big NW pump this DLS wheel is a little diturbing, it so easy. Where are you posting your info on it?

Roland Jacques · 10/08/2006, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tentacles
Roland thanks for the info. I've been considering making a diy snapper skimmer using the material these skimmers use instead of a needle wheel, but considering my skill level, it may be worth it to buy the 250
I'm looking to skim about 650g, so if one works well I may double up! Even 2 of these should use ~ the same or less watts than a snapper with an air pump.

yeah i was going to make one also but these are cheaper than i thought they would be. I still probably will build one, one day in my free time

. But it wont be to save money.

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 07:47 PM

maximus, They are supposed to be getting there shippments in soon. I was told i could have my BM250 in 2-4 weeks from greg. Than was a week ago.
I am hoping sooner than later!

Maximus · 10/08/2006, 07:57 PM

Thanks Creetin. So the Eheim pumps will not be used, is this correct? They will use those italian pumps which manufacture pumps for Tunze?

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 07:58 PM

I cant find where i read that the standpipe was fixed, I could be wrong, I do see a pic with a wing nut on the stand pipe.
Dunno.

Creetin · 10/08/2006, 08:03 PM

Yes the ones that are supposed to be the same manf (Sicce) as the new pumps.
This is just what i read in one of the links provided above by roland, and Oliver pritzel said that all of the ATI's would have them . I think he's the owner of ATI

tentacles · 10/08/2006, 08:10 PM

smjtkj, what are you using for the body? Are you going to start a thread on this build?

tentacles · 10/08/2006, 08:14 PM

roland, I'd still like to build one just to see it perform, and to see if I can!

smjtkj · 10/08/2006, 08:16 PM

I don't want to derail your thread. I have not started a thread on the threadwheel skimmer yet. I have pics of the new skimmer body and a pic of the threadwheel. I guess i need to start a new thread on the project. I am building a replacement for the Tiny Might skimmer as a member on RC bought it from me.

Mike

Maximus · 10/09/2006, 09:43 AM

Wow, these are the same pumps (Sicce) that Tunze will use on their master DOC skimmers! Tunze calls them 'Hydrofoamers". Here is a link:
http://www.tunze.com/fileadmin/downl...interzooen.pdf

Maximus · 10/09/2006, 09:53 AM

I suppose that I am excited because if it's good enough for Tunze, it's good enough for me!!

Creetin · 10/09/2006, 10:08 AM

Me TOO! I cant wait to get mine. I have been drooling over the BK's but it was no way economical for me to get it.
Now i am not so depressed.
Maybe one day i'll have a BK, But now i dont feel like i am left out.
LOL

Creetin · 10/09/2006, 01:28 PM

Has anybody heard from greg when they are coming in?
Roland did he say there was 2 shippments? He told me he had a large shippment coming in.

I just emailed him, and i guess i am in the first wave as long as they get their skimmers they ordered.

Maximus · 10/09/2006, 05:30 PM

I placed my pre-order with Greg this morning and he stated that they could be in within the next 2-4 weeks. He really didn't know himself. He did say that he should be gettting enough to fill all pre-orders. I hope that's true!

Creetin · 10/09/2006, 08:02 PM

Me too, From what i seen on pics and vids they are amazing! If they get 90 scfh they are gonna rock! I thought 45scfh was da bomb with my beckett.

From what i heard theres a reaon why the ditched ehiem pumps.

UCanDoIt · 10/09/2006, 08:49 PM

There's a lot of engineering that balances pump, skimmer cylinder size and height. Most likely the Eheim wasn't a good match for the body size. I just hope that the workmanship is more consistent by the time they ship out the USA models... hate to see each model slightly different... especially the pump dremeling.

Creetin · 10/09/2006, 09:17 PM

Its a little more than that from what i heard. It wasnt on the skimer body and size, I am not of liberty to say the reasons why..

UCanDoIt · 10/09/2006, 09:21 PM

I'm going to try and get my local guy to test the new BM and compare to other skimmers.

Creetin · 10/09/2006, 09:40 PM

That would be a cool, I would like to see it pitted against the big dawgs and see how well it turns out.

prance1520 · 10/10/2006, 10:20 AM

Can these be mounted externally as well?

Creetin · 10/10/2006, 10:25 AM

No, In sump only. Maybe they will come out with an external.

UCanDoIt · 10/10/2006, 10:30 AM

Base on all the photos, it looks like it is not sealed to be able to install externally, so in sump only.

I have convinced my local guy to do a test on the new BM250 skimmer when it becomes available and he will do some side by side comparisons. He was once a believer in ER only and closed minded about everything else. Now, he is open minded (after much urging from his clients), especially after carrying some of the high end skimmers and seeing how they perform.

He is currently testing a Lifereef and I'll get a chance to see it this Friday.

Quatro · 10/10/2006, 01:11 PM

Hey Everyone,

Does anyone have any personal experience with the BM 150? Everyone is talking about the two larger models, but I'd be interested in the 150 because I have a smaller tank. The pump is definately different, and it's internal, anybody care to make a guess of how this one will compare to it's two bigger brothers? The 250 and 200 models look promising, but I'd be curious as to the performance of the 150, because I know some other companies smallest models are not on par with their larger models, ie. ASM mini vs their larger stuff.

Thanks!

Creetin · 10/10/2006, 01:40 PM

Looks cool, I havnt seen one run, But the 150 looks to have an adustable standpipe for water height.
You could do a review for us.

With the amt of air coming from the pumps i am pretty confident that it will pull some skimmate for ya.
JMO

smjtkj · 10/10/2006, 07:30 PM

What type of venturi is used on the bm 250?

Mike

10/08/2006, 07:47 PM	#28
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	maximus, They are supposed to be getting there shippments in soon. I was told i could have my BM250 in 2-4 weeks from greg. Than was a week ago. I am hoping sooner than later! __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/08/2006, 07:57 PM	#29
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Thanks Creetin. So the Eheim pumps will not be used, is this correct? They will use those italian pumps which manufacture pumps for Tunze? __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/08/2006, 07:58 PM	#30
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	I cant find where i read that the standpipe was fixed, I could be wrong, I do see a pic with a wing nut on the stand pipe. Dunno. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/08/2006, 08:03 PM	#31
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Yes the ones that are supposed to be the same manf (Sicce) as the new pumps. This is just what i read in one of the links provided above by roland, and Oliver pritzel said that all of the ATI's would have them . I think he's the owner of ATI __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep Last edited by Creetin; 10/08/2006 at 08:23 PM.

10/08/2006, 08:10 PM	#32
tentacles Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Palatine, Il Posts: 128	smjtkj, what are you using for the body? Are you going to start a thread on this build? __________________ hey, what smells like blue? Current Tank Info: 380g

10/08/2006, 08:14 PM	#33
tentacles Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Palatine, Il Posts: 128	roland, I'd still like to build one just to see it perform, and to see if I can! __________________ hey, what smells like blue? Current Tank Info: 380g

10/08/2006, 08:16 PM	#34
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	I don't want to derail your thread. I have not started a thread on the threadwheel skimmer yet. I have pics of the new skimmer body and a pic of the threadwheel. I guess i need to start a new thread on the project. I am building a replacement for the Tiny Might skimmer as a member on RC bought it from me. Mike

10/09/2006, 09:43 AM	#35
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Wow, these are the same pumps (Sicce) that Tunze will use on their master DOC skimmers! Tunze calls them 'Hydrofoamers". Here is a link: http://www.tunze.com/fileadmin/downl...interzooen.pdf __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/09/2006, 09:53 AM	#36
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	I suppose that I am excited because if it's good enough for Tunze, it's good enough for me!! __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/09/2006, 10:08 AM	#37
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Me TOO! I cant wait to get mine. I have been drooling over the BK's but it was no way economical for me to get it. Now i am not so depressed. Maybe one day i'll have a BK, But now i dont feel like i am left out. LOL __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/09/2006, 01:28 PM	#38
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Has anybody heard from greg when they are coming in? Roland did he say there was 2 shippments? He told me he had a large shippment coming in. I just emailed him, and i guess i am in the first wave as long as they get their skimmers they ordered. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep Last edited by Creetin; 10/09/2006 at 02:15 PM.

10/09/2006, 05:30 PM	#39
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	I placed my pre-order with Greg this morning and he stated that they could be in within the next 2-4 weeks. He really didn't know himself. He did say that he should be gettting enough to fill all pre-orders. I hope that's true! __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/09/2006, 08:02 PM	#40
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Me too, From what i seen on pics and vids they are amazing! If they get 90 scfh they are gonna rock! I thought 45scfh was da bomb with my beckett. From what i heard theres a reaon why the ditched ehiem pumps. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep Last edited by Creetin; 10/09/2006 at 08:41 PM.

10/09/2006, 08:49 PM	#41
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	There's a lot of engineering that balances pump, skimmer cylinder size and height. Most likely the Eheim wasn't a good match for the body size. I just hope that the workmanship is more consistent by the time they ship out the USA models... hate to see each model slightly different... especially the pump dremeling.

10/09/2006, 09:17 PM	#42
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Its a little more than that from what i heard. It wasnt on the skimer body and size, I am not of liberty to say the reasons why.. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/09/2006, 09:21 PM	#43
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	I'm going to try and get my local guy to test the new BM and compare to other skimmers.

10/09/2006, 09:40 PM	#44
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	That would be a cool, I would like to see it pitted against the big dawgs and see how well it turns out. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/10/2006, 10:20 AM	#45
prance1520 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 488	Can these be mounted externally as well?

10/10/2006, 10:25 AM	#46
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	No, In sump only. Maybe they will come out with an external. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/10/2006, 10:30 AM	#47
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Base on all the photos, it looks like it is not sealed to be able to install externally, so in sump only. I have convinced my local guy to do a test on the new BM250 skimmer when it becomes available and he will do some side by side comparisons. He was once a believer in ER only and closed minded about everything else. Now, he is open minded (after much urging from his clients), especially after carrying some of the high end skimmers and seeing how they perform. He is currently testing a Lifereef and I'll get a chance to see it this Friday.

10/10/2006, 01:11 PM	#48
Quatro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 541	Hey Everyone, Does anyone have any personal experience with the BM 150? Everyone is talking about the two larger models, but I'd be interested in the 150 because I have a smaller tank. The pump is definately different, and it's internal, anybody care to make a guess of how this one will compare to it's two bigger brothers? The 250 and 200 models look promising, but I'd be curious as to the performance of the 150, because I know some other companies smallest models are not on par with their larger models, ie. ASM mini vs their larger stuff. Thanks!

10/10/2006, 01:40 PM	#49
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Looks cool, I havnt seen one run, But the 150 looks to have an adustable standpipe for water height. You could do a review for us. With the amt of air coming from the pumps i am pretty confident that it will pull some skimmate for ya. JMO __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/10/2006, 07:30 PM	#50
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	What type of venturi is used on the bm 250? Mike