Deep Sand Bed - Page 2

Dazed And Confused · 11/19/2006, 11:43 AM

I can't see how you could have a healthy DSB in an LFS. Here's a link for Bill's Reefs, his stuff is very healthy and has an amazing population of critters:
http://billsreef.safeshopper.com
He has his live sand on for $2.99/lb now, I think it's a bargain. I was also told I'd need to replenish mine from time to time but it has more activity in it now than ever, no dark spots, etc. I was referred to him by Dr. Ron Shimek, he's a guy that knows a good bit about DSBs, probably the foremost authority.
And since my goby is in my show tank, not the fuge, you might want to listed to those who have tried it.
By the way, bristle worms are beneficial, can't/won't hurt fish. I have one about 6" long that was a hitch hiker from my original live rock, looks creepy but you only see him at night with a flashlight. I have tons of 'em in my fuge as well.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 11:47 AM

Dazed,
So you disagree about getting rid of the goby?

I am headed to that site now for some reading.

TOO MUCH INFORMATION IS MAKING MY BRAIN SIZZLE.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 11:50 AM

This live sand will help get mine seeded?

coraladdict · 11/19/2006, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by korbynlehr
corraladdict read this:

http://netpets.com/fish/reference/reefref/bristle.html

Read this article , you will see what detritivores are.
R.Shimek is an expert on DSB he wrote many articles about them,this is just one of them:http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2002-03/rs/index.php

coraladdict · 11/19/2006, 11:57 AM

You should not put any animals that will disturb the sand bed aggressively.The stirring has to be done by detritivores not fish .When you have a DSB, you are limited to certain animals to put in your tank.Do a search on deep sand beds you'll will find a lot of articles.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 12:10 PM

Okay I am convinced I need to remove the goby.

my detrivores I have (commonly referred to as cleanup crew RIGHT?) is fine but I should get some established live sand to add to mine. Is this a correct assessment?

gman0526 · 11/19/2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by korbynlehr
gman,
You say lose the goby. And the bristleworms are bad is this what you are saying?

I say loose the goby and keep the BW, only fireworms are "bad" (known corallivores) and they're mostly found in the Atlantic Ocean.

Read Ron's articles on detrivores, the link on the LS is pretty good offer, but I still feel that you would be better off contacting your local fish club and skipping shipping charges. JMO

gman0526 · 11/19/2006, 12:11 PM

You've got it.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 12:14 PM

I am having trouble finding anyone in my area at this time. I have asked and will see if anyone shows up. Is the sand sold at the link the right stuff to help seed my sand?

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gman0526
I say loose the goby and keep the BW, only fireworms are "bad" (known corallivores) and they're mostly found in the Atlantic Ocean.

Read Ron's articles on detrivores, the link on the LS is pretty good offer, but I still feel that you would be better off contacting your local fish club and skipping shipping charges. JMO

Are bristleworms not the same as the ones in the live rock everyone says eat and kill live rock?

gman0526 · 11/19/2006, 12:18 PM

I honestly have never heard of a BW eating through LR.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 12:31 PM

So in your oppinion will the sand from bills reef . com gove me life back that the goby has taken away. Or are you saying get rid of the goby and order the detrivore package that link was given in an earlier thread?

gman0526 · 11/19/2006, 12:44 PM

If you can't find anything local then go to billsreef. And yes, regardless of the situation loose the goby.

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 12:52 PM

So either locally or through bills reef the sand will be fine to seed mine. I saw the detrivore package someone earlier recommended is that for seeding also or is that different than the live sand from Bills or locally?

petoonia · 11/19/2006, 01:42 PM

Bristleworms are good as long as you dont get over run by them. They can get out of hand if you overfeed. Otherwise they are a good addition to the tank.

I doubt that the goby has depleted the life your sand bed in a matter of days. It cant hurt to reseed the live sand, but more than likely your sand bed is already full of life. Especially if its been going for six months.

What are you going to do with the goby?

korbynlehr · 11/19/2006, 01:45 PM

I thought I would deep fry it.........
No I will take it to the LFS. What would you do with it?

petoonia · 11/19/2006, 10:20 PM

I was just wondering, no need to be sarcastic. I thought their may be some people on RC in your area who may be interested, if you happened to have a hard time getting it back to the LFS. Not all LFS are willing to take back livestock.

I was just trying to be helpful!

korbynlehr · 11/20/2006, 06:26 AM

Petoonia,

I am sorry I came off sarcastic. I was just joking trying to have some fun with you. I apologize for coming off rude that was not my intention.

Again Sorry if I came off as rude.

Thanks for the suggestion.

jag1979 · 11/20/2006, 06:42 AM

"I thought I would deep fry it........."

not much meat on them, but if you get them young they are pretty tasty!

petoonia · 11/20/2006, 11:58 AM

Thanks!! I guess, I just didnt get it. It was nice of you to apologize. Eventhough you were only joking around. I guess I over reacted a bit. Sorry, I normally catch on.

Anyway, did you have any luck getting it out of the tank yet?

korbynlehr · 11/20/2006, 01:52 PM

I am going to try in the morning because the LFS isn't open today.

Thanks!

geckofrog · 11/20/2006, 02:28 PM

http://reefbuilders.com/blog/2006/11...-they-for-you/

11/19/2006, 11:43 AM	#26
Dazed And Confused Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Lubbock, TX, USA Posts: 262	I can't see how you could have a healthy DSB in an LFS. Here's a link for Bill's Reefs, his stuff is very healthy and has an amazing population of critters: http://billsreef.safeshopper.com He has his live sand on for $2.99/lb now, I think it's a bargain. I was also told I'd need to replenish mine from time to time but it has more activity in it now than ever, no dark spots, etc. I was referred to him by Dr. Ron Shimek, he's a guy that knows a good bit about DSBs, probably the foremost authority. And since my goby is in my show tank, not the fuge, you might want to listed to those who have tried it. By the way, bristle worms are beneficial, can't/won't hurt fish. I have one about 6" long that was a hitch hiker from my original live rock, looks creepy but you only see him at night with a flashlight. I have tons of 'em in my fuge as well. __________________ Life is much like a saltwater tank - diversity and variety are two of the keys to success. You grow and learn very little when the company you keep thinks and reasons the same way you do. Current Tank Info: 140 gallon reef tank, 75 gallon DSB fuge; Kole tang, pair of clowns, canary wrasse, flame hawk, red spotted sand perch, red and purple firefish, spotted mandarin, coral beauty and a yellow watchman goby

11/19/2006, 11:57 AM	#30
coraladdict Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 646	You should not put any animals that will disturb the sand bed aggressively.The stirring has to be done by detritivores not fish .When you have a DSB, you are limited to certain animals to put in your tank.Do a search on deep sand beds you'll will find a lot of articles. __________________ Experience is a terrible thing to waste Current Tank Info: 120g ,mixed reef , Deltec 600 MCE , 2 VorTechs with BB,Tunze osmolator,Diy Nelson reac.Pacific Sun Hyperion 2

11/19/2006, 12:11 PM	#33
gman0526 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,278	You've got it. __________________ "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." A.E. Current Tank Info: 75 G BB tank

11/19/2006, 12:18 PM	#36
gman0526 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,278	I honestly have never heard of a BW eating through LR. __________________ "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." A.E. Current Tank Info: 75 G BB tank

11/19/2006, 12:44 PM	#38
gman0526 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 1,278	If you can't find anything local then go to billsreef. And yes, regardless of the situation loose the goby. __________________ "If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." A.E. Current Tank Info: 75 G BB tank

11/19/2006, 11:47 AM	#27
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	Dazed, So you disagree about getting rid of the goby? I am headed to that site now for some reading. TOO MUCH INFORMATION IS MAKING MY BRAIN SIZZLE.

11/19/2006, 11:50 AM	#28
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	This live sand will help get mine seeded?

11/19/2006, 12:10 PM	#31
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	Okay I am convinced I need to remove the goby. my detrivores I have (commonly referred to as cleanup crew RIGHT?) is fine but I should get some established live sand to add to mine. Is this a correct assessment?

11/19/2006, 12:14 PM	#34
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	I am having trouble finding anyone in my area at this time. I have asked and will see if anyone shows up. Is the sand sold at the link the right stuff to help seed my sand?

11/19/2006, 12:31 PM	#37
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	So in your oppinion will the sand from bills reef . com gove me life back that the goby has taken away. Or are you saying get rid of the goby and order the detrivore package that link was given in an earlier thread?

11/19/2006, 12:52 PM	#39
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	So either locally or through bills reef the sand will be fine to seed mine. I saw the detrivore package someone earlier recommended is that for seeding also or is that different than the live sand from Bills or locally?

11/19/2006, 01:42 PM	#40
petoonia HereWeGoAgain... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,648	Bristleworms are good as long as you dont get over run by them. They can get out of hand if you overfeed. Otherwise they are a good addition to the tank. I doubt that the goby has depleted the life your sand bed in a matter of days. It cant hurt to reseed the live sand, but more than likely your sand bed is already full of life. Especially if its been going for six months. What are you going to do with the goby? __________________ I've been in the hobby for about 10 years....(so I know a little bit)...(but not all that much).... Current Tank Info: 58G. Oceanic (Starphire). Mixed Reef

11/19/2006, 01:45 PM	#41
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	I thought I would deep fry it......... No I will take it to the LFS. What would you do with it?

11/19/2006, 10:20 PM	#42
petoonia HereWeGoAgain... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,648	I was just wondering, no need to be sarcastic. I thought their may be some people on RC in your area who may be interested, if you happened to have a hard time getting it back to the LFS. Not all LFS are willing to take back livestock. I was just trying to be helpful! __________________ I've been in the hobby for about 10 years....(so I know a little bit)...(but not all that much).... Current Tank Info: 58G. Oceanic (Starphire). Mixed Reef

11/20/2006, 06:26 AM	#43
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	Petoonia, I am sorry I came off sarcastic. I was just joking trying to have some fun with you. I apologize for coming off rude that was not my intention. Again Sorry if I came off as rude. Thanks for the suggestion.

11/20/2006, 06:42 AM	#44
jag1979 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 982	"I thought I would deep fry it........." not much meat on them, but if you get them young they are pretty tasty! __________________ clowns, bi-color pseudo, coral beauty, yellow tang GBTA, crocea clam xenia, various polyps/zoa's, candy cane, tree leather, frogspawn, torch, various mushrooms, green/red plate, birdsnest Current Tank Info: 180 AGA, tunze 6100, 6025 and 6060, 3 x 250 mh's, 3 x 80 t5's, ASM G4+

11/20/2006, 11:58 AM	#45
petoonia HereWeGoAgain... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,648	Thanks!! I guess, I just didnt get it. It was nice of you to apologize. Eventhough you were only joking around. I guess I over reacted a bit. Sorry, I normally catch on. Anyway, did you have any luck getting it out of the tank yet? __________________ I've been in the hobby for about 10 years....(so I know a little bit)...(but not all that much).... Current Tank Info: 58G. Oceanic (Starphire). Mixed Reef

11/20/2006, 01:52 PM	#46
korbynlehr Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nicholasville Posts: 322	I am going to try in the morning because the LFS isn't open today. Thanks!

11/20/2006, 02:28 PM	#47
geckofrog Registered Member. Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 505	http://reefbuilders.com/blog/2006/11...-they-for-you/ __________________ Ryan Current Tank Info: 75G,