ASM Skimmer Club! - Page 2

Josh125 · 12/11/2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by mfinn
Did you take any pictures?

No, I felt it had been documented enough in the Kent's orginal thread. I might pull it back out and snap a pic though.

I did just take a pic of the foam production. I'll be honest, the G2 is a POS in it's stock form. I've been debating selling it for some time. This is the only mod done, less the gate valve mod. I can tell the body can take a lot more air however I think the pad I'm using might not be optimum. I have never seen a foam head like this out of this skimmer. It's promising for even better productinon as well.

iceman5 · 12/13/2006, 09:52 AM

how deep should the water be in the section of the sump with my g3? reason is i need to know how high i need to go with my baffles thanks

ridetheducati · 12/13/2006, 10:05 AM

7-9", unless your skimmer is recirculating it does not matter.

dwdowney · 12/14/2006, 08:33 AM

HELP- I just added a large bio load to my 120 gal and reaquascaped. My G-3 has been going nuts for the last 3 days. It fills the collection cup in a matter of minutes. I took my gate valve mod off but that only helped a small amount. If I don't get it working soon I am afraid I am going to loose everything which would include my new school of Helfrichâ€™s Firefish. Should I cut my stand pipe shorter? My ammonia has spiked up severely. Any Ideas on how fix my skimmer? PLEASE HELP

mfinn · 12/14/2006, 08:53 AM

If you are getting a huge amount of water going to the collection cup, try raising the skimmer itself, higher in your sump by a couple inches.

jrmx635 · 12/14/2006, 08:58 AM

you need to do water changes.
What happened is when you moved everything around all the junk under and in the rocks that was dormant went into the water column and is now able to be broken down.
Plus adding a larger bioload to that makes it worse.
I would concentrate on water changing and let the skimmer keep pulling as much as possible.

dwdowney · 12/14/2006, 11:56 AM

I am doing a 15% water change tonight to take care of the amonia, but my skimmer is spitting out clean water.

ReefJerk · 12/14/2006, 12:11 PM

Your tank is going through a cycle. Keep up the water changes at about every other day intervals and dose some bacteria. They will help break down the ammonia. Prepare for your Nitrites to be next. You might be looking at a couple of weeks of serious issues. Good luck.

waldomas · 12/14/2006, 03:47 PM

Mix ahead plenty of water! Just let the skimmer skim wet and replace the water with mixed, aged, salt water. I will be like lots of water changes. Keep a close eye on SG. Turn off auto top off if you have it.

Rpierce · 12/14/2006, 05:12 PM

Question about my G3- I am getting alot of air bubbles out of my output of my skimmer. I have noticed this over the last couple of days. I just cleaned the skimmer cup and pulled out the pump and cleaned it as well. This is a standard G3 without any mods. Any suggestions?

Rick

rykwong · 12/18/2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rpierce
Question about my G3- I am getting alot of air bubbles out of my output of my skimmer. I have noticed this over the last couple of days. I just cleaned the skimmer cup and pulled out the pump and cleaned it as well. This is a standard G3 without any mods. Any suggestions?

Rick

Did you clean the venturi/air hole in the pump? It might be clogged. Also, did you clean the air tube?

Fishbulb2 · 12/18/2006, 05:27 PM

How many liters per minute are guys pulling with the gutter guard mod vs. normal. I'm wondering if this is worth attempting on my euro-reef.
FB

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by ridetheducati
I highly recommend that you get an air flow meter to measure the performance increase. I am using the Dywer RMA-22 model.

Mine finally came today. Plugged it in and the little ball bounces between 7 and 12 l/m

How do you get a accurate reading with that?

ridetheducati · 12/18/2006, 06:33 PM

10 lpm. Take an average.

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 06:50 PM

But shouldn't it be steady?
It seems to me that if the air is fluctuating like that the level in the skimmer would be also.
Might explain the overflow in my collection container yesterday morning. Had about 15 gallons of water inside my stand and on floor.
First time the little ping-pong ball didn't shut off the flow.

ridetheducati · 12/18/2006, 06:54 PM

When I had the G4 the meter always fluctuated. About 3-4 lpm swing.

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 07:21 PM

Ok, so 10l/m is what I'm getting from the euroreef "new and improved needlewheel"

Made a gutter guard wheel. Give that a try and see what happens tomorrow.

Fishbulb2 · 12/18/2006, 07:59 PM

hey mfinn,
What model euro do you have?

ridetheducati · 12/18/2006, 08:22 PM

The new and improved 17% performance increase impeller is posting a 10 lpm air draw? Wow. I thought ER was trying to compete with the big dawgs. I can not wait to hear how the mesh works for you.

I heard the RC500 pumps (Eheim) were pulling 15lph each.

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fishbulb2
hey mfinn,
What model euro do you have?

I have a ASM G-4x with the recirc mod.
I bought the new needlwheel impeller from euroreef that they sell for the sedra 9000.

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ridetheducati
The new and improved 17% performance increase impeller is posting a 10 lpm air draw? Wow. I thought ER was trying to compete with the big dawgs. I can not wait to hear how the mesh works for you.

I heard the RC500 pumps (Eheim) were pulling 15lph each.

Well, like I said it is bouncing around. Every once in a whilr it does bounce up over 16 a little.
But somehow I feel something isn't right.
I used a drill bit that was about the same size as the hole to clean out the venturi.
If I enlarged the hole, would that lower performace?

ridetheducati · 12/18/2006, 08:49 PM

Performance will increase. Be careful not to thin out the wall too much. I believe I used a 3/16 bit on mine. The 3/16 bit does not fit in the hole, but I slowly drilled it out. Take it slow.

My meter would spike also, but I never counted the peak just like I dont count the bottom value. Keep an eye on the meter. It will develop a rhythm and you will be able to accurately judge the average. Be aware these values are approximates, but it is good enough for our testing purposes.

Some guys cut the nipple off all together, enlarged the hole to 1/4" and inserted a NPT fitting.

mfinn · 12/18/2006, 09:17 PM

I don't think I enlarged it hardly at all. More of a good cleaning.
I read somewhere, that someone drilled one out quite a bit and it produced large bubbles.
That might be here in this thread.
I'll try and get a picture of the gutter guard mod I did.
Have to do some software swapping.
Had a huge wind storm blow through last Thursday and I just happened to be on my pc when a power surge hit and fried my primary pc.

sivert55 · 12/19/2006, 10:45 AM

mfinn, can you post a link for the "new needlwheel impeller from euroreef that they sell for the sedra 9000"? Did that new needlewheel make a big diff? I'm a little skittish about the gutterguard mod... I'd rather have a manufactured wheel than trust my limitted DIY skills.

RichConley · 12/19/2006, 10:57 AM

if air draw is bouncing like that, it means the impellar is cavitating. Its those situations where a meshwheel makes a HUGE difference.

Sivert, on my OTP 3000, air draw went from 15 scfh to 35 schf when I went from the needlewheel to gutterguard, and then from 35 to 50+ scfh when I went from gutterguard to enkamat. Yeah, it makes a big difference.

Seriously, thats 6.5lpm->15lpm->23+lpm.

I can't tell how high it actually is now, as its maxing out the meter (5-50 scfh)

12/13/2006, 10:05 AM	#28
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	7-9", unless your skimmer is recirculating it does not matter. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

12/14/2006, 08:53 AM	#30
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	If you are getting a huge amount of water going to the collection cup, try raising the skimmer itself, higher in your sump by a couple inches. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

12/14/2006, 08:58 AM	#31
jrmx635 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: rhode island Posts: 366	skimming you need to do water changes. What happened is when you moved everything around all the junk under and in the rocks that was dormant went into the water column and is now able to be broken down. Plus adding a larger bioload to that makes it worse. I would concentrate on water changing and let the skimmer keep pulling as much as possible.

12/14/2006, 12:11 PM	#33
ReefJerk Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 853	Your tank is going through a cycle. Keep up the water changes at about every other day intervals and dose some bacteria. They will help break down the ammonia. Prepare for your Nitrites to be next. You might be looking at a couple of weeks of serious issues. Good luck. __________________ "Whatever it is, do it 'til you're satisfied..." Current Tank Info: 180 mixed, 3x250 HQI, Reeflo Orca 200, CLM: 12 outlets, 10kgph

12/18/2006, 05:27 PM	#37
Fishbulb2 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,807	How many liters per minute are guys pulling with the gutter guard mod vs. normal. I'm wondering if this is worth attempting on my euro-reef. FB __________________ Just getting back in, but trying to do it right! Current Tank Info: 40 gallon tank. SPS, LPS, few softies

12/13/2006, 09:52 AM	#27
iceman5 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: appleton wisconsin Posts: 488	how deep should the water be in the section of the sump with my g3? reason is i need to know how high i need to go with my baffles thanks

12/14/2006, 08:33 AM	#29
dwdowney Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 187	HELP- I just added a large bio load to my 120 gal and reaquascaped. My G-3 has been going nuts for the last 3 days. It fills the collection cup in a matter of minutes. I took my gate valve mod off but that only helped a small amount. If I don't get it working soon I am afraid I am going to loose everything which would include my new school of Helfrichâ€™s Firefish. Should I cut my stand pipe shorter? My ammonia has spiked up severely. Any Ideas on how fix my skimmer? PLEASE HELP

12/14/2006, 11:56 AM	#32
dwdowney Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 187	I am doing a 15% water change tonight to take care of the amonia, but my skimmer is spitting out clean water.

12/14/2006, 03:47 PM	#34
waldomas Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: south central Pa. Posts: 761	Mix ahead plenty of water! Just let the skimmer skim wet and replace the water with mixed, aged, salt water. I will be like lots of water changes. Keep a close eye on SG. Turn off auto top off if you have it.

12/14/2006, 05:12 PM	#35
Rpierce Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Little River, SC Posts: 742	Question about my G3- I am getting alot of air bubbles out of my output of my skimmer. I have noticed this over the last couple of days. I just cleaned the skimmer cup and pulled out the pump and cleaned it as well. This is a standard G3 without any mods. Any suggestions? Rick

12/18/2006, 06:33 PM	#39
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	10 lpm. Take an average. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

12/18/2006, 06:50 PM	#40
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	But shouldn't it be steady? It seems to me that if the air is fluctuating like that the level in the skimmer would be also. Might explain the overflow in my collection container yesterday morning. Had about 15 gallons of water inside my stand and on floor. First time the little ping-pong ball didn't shut off the flow. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

12/18/2006, 06:54 PM	#41
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	When I had the G4 the meter always fluctuated. About 3-4 lpm swing. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

12/18/2006, 07:21 PM	#42
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	Ok, so 10l/m is what I'm getting from the euroreef "new and improved needlewheel" Made a gutter guard wheel. Give that a try and see what happens tomorrow. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

12/18/2006, 07:59 PM	#43
Fishbulb2 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,807	hey mfinn, What model euro do you have? __________________ Just getting back in, but trying to do it right! Current Tank Info: 40 gallon tank. SPS, LPS, few softies

12/18/2006, 08:22 PM	#44
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	The new and improved 17% performance increase impeller is posting a 10 lpm air draw? Wow. I thought ER was trying to compete with the big dawgs. I can not wait to hear how the mesh works for you. I heard the RC500 pumps (Eheim) were pulling 15lph each. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

12/18/2006, 08:49 PM	#47
ridetheducati 20 and Over Club Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Bowie, MD Posts: 2,968	Performance will increase. Be careful not to thin out the wall too much. I believe I used a 3/16 bit on mine. The 3/16 bit does not fit in the hole, but I slowly drilled it out. Take it slow. My meter would spike also, but I never counted the peak just like I dont count the bottom value. Keep an eye on the meter. It will develop a rhythm and you will be able to accurately judge the average. Be aware these values are approximates, but it is good enough for our testing purposes. Some guys cut the nipple off all together, enlarged the hole to 1/4" and inserted a NPT fitting. __________________ "Send more paramedics" Current Tank Info: 300g DD, SPS dominated, Apex, Tunze 6125s, ATB 1050, 400w MH, and Geo 618 Ca Reactor

12/18/2006, 09:17 PM	#48
mfinn Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Olympia. WA. Posts: 8,648	I don't think I enlarged it hardly at all. More of a good cleaning. I read somewhere, that someone drilled one out quite a bit and it produced large bubbles. That might be here in this thread. I'll try and get a picture of the gutter guard mod I did. Have to do some software swapping. Had a huge wind storm blow through last Thursday and I just happened to be on my pc when a power surge hit and fried my primary pc. __________________ 240 gallon soft coral tank 50 gallon lps tank

12/19/2006, 10:45 AM	#49
sivert55 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Wesley Chapel, FL Posts: 891	mfinn, can you post a link for the "new needlwheel impeller from euroreef that they sell for the sedra 9000"? Did that new needlewheel make a big diff? I'm a little skittish about the gutterguard mod... I'd rather have a manufactured wheel than trust my limitted DIY skills. __________________ Non Illigitimi Carborundum Current Tank Info: 400g total volume bb sps reef

12/19/2006, 10:57 AM	#50
RichConley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bostonian in Chicago going to DC Posts: 9,908	if air draw is bouncing like that, it means the impellar is cavitating. Its those situations where a meshwheel makes a HUGE difference. Sivert, on my OTP 3000, air draw went from 15 scfh to 35 schf when I went from the needlewheel to gutterguard, and then from 35 to 50+ scfh when I went from gutterguard to enkamat. Yeah, it makes a big difference. Seriously, thats 6.5lpm->15lpm->23+lpm. I can't tell how high it actually is now, as its maxing out the meter (5-50 scfh) __________________ NO TANKS!!!