Via Aqua Skimmer Club - Page 20

luke33 · 02/05/2008, 02:33 PM

Yes, the 1000 is the recirc. Either pic will work fine.

danorth · 02/06/2008, 02:30 AM

So, I put 3 layers on a dremeled out prop and needed to take off the rubber und that goes into the inlet side of the shaft. I also had the right pieces to make it 3/4" for the inlet on the outside of the skimmer, didn't touch the inside. But I can say that the foam above the water line is more than double.....within 5 minutes of plugging it in. Interested to see it again in the morning. Noisy pump by the way.....

danorth · 02/06/2008, 10:13 PM

Here is 17 hours worth. Needs to be a bit darker but on the right track. Still using the venturi and an additional airline right at the edge from a pump for more air. It is a dual outlet pump so I'm going to get another piece of hose for the other side to get even MORE air! I also lowered the leveler to lessen the moisture some.

luke33 · 02/07/2008, 10:23 AM

Looks good man, just lower it a bit at a time to get your nog darker.

danorth · 02/08/2008, 02:11 PM

Another thing I've noticed it that it doesn't like to work with lower water levels for some reason. The water needs to be about 2 inches over the pump to get the pump to pull air in better. It doesn't make sense, but it does seem to be a pattern. I also have removed the air line that was pumping in extra air. Going to keep trying things out. With the water output being lowered 1/2" it produced half as much skimmate, but was darker too.

danorth · 02/20/2008, 01:01 AM

Ordered most of the parts to make it into a recirc (rest of parts should be lowes). Feed is going to be a Odessy 250. Recirc will still be the CA. The goal is to continue to keep it all inside a 10 gallon tank still with a return pump as well. I have bubble and skimmate envy....Can't wait to see if this works.

luke33 · 02/20/2008, 07:24 AM

Sounds good, take some pics when you recirc it. When you cut the holes don't stop in the middle or your hole saw bit will melt to the acrylic.

danorth · 02/20/2008, 10:21 AM

I noted your comments from your recirc fun, quick and with pressure if I remember right. I also noticed that the recirc you did had the holes at the same elevation and didn't seem to lower the effectiveness of it. Most seem to draw from the bottom and flow back in higher. Depending on how the pump fits on its side I will either have it flat like you did (with inlet and outlet at the same height) or sitting up(with the outlet being higher than the inlet).....but sitting up makes it shoot back in with a 90* which you said lowers the air volume, so if I put it on its side it will shoot straight in. We shall see. I hope this pump I have will do the trick and really make a ton of bubbles as a recirc. I'd hate to get another pump with holes already in it from this pump.....meaning I have to patch the holes!

luke33 · 02/20/2008, 10:36 AM

Yep, you've got it right, the 90 decreases the air, sideways worked well but it make a large footprint!

danorth · 02/23/2008, 12:24 PM

The Catalina 4000 pump is only pulling 10 scfm. Even off of the skimmer. Just got the Odyssea 1000 pump. Will be back with some more readings.

pm sent to you luke about the mesh to prop attachment.

danorth · 02/23/2008, 01:47 PM

Okay, here is a comparison shot of the Catalina Aquariums 4000 vs. the Odyssea WP-1000:

Here is the work to the prop:

And for the outlet, I bored out the 3/4" MPT to slip adapter, original vs. ported:

I may bore the inlet thread portion of the next adapter as well, but may not. The threaded portion of the pvc piece is smaller in diameter than a regular pvc 3/4
pipe so there could be a better pull over all. Still the 3/4" pvc pipe on the water side of the air hose adapter still, but then it would shrink right before it gets to the prop due to the thick thread portion......Curious WWLD? What would Luke Do!

luke33 · 02/23/2008, 02:04 PM

I've found by having the 3/4" not boared it'll give it that extra jolt when pulling in the air. I've found that some pump's do the best when the venturi goes from small to larger to small right before the impeller, like this pump. But it would be cool to see you make the same venturi for each of those fittings and see what yielded the best #'s.

luke33 · 02/23/2008, 02:06 PM

The genx4100 is the same way.

dzamora · 03/09/2008, 07:47 PM

I'm thinking about picking up a 200. Where do you guys recommend buying one from?

luke33 · 03/09/2008, 08:22 PM

If you wait a bit you can find the 200 on ebay for around 40bux. If you want it now, you can get one at aquastealth.com for 89bux.

danorth · 03/25/2008, 03:47 PM

The recirc is done. 2 uniseals 3/4" and 1" and used the existing inlet for the feed with an Odyssea 250. About 1 hour in, already doing more than before. The recirc pump is the Odyssea 1000.

*All done including return pump in a 10 gallon tank!

luke33 · 03/25/2008, 04:48 PM

Now that is impressive man! Need some pics.

danorth · 03/26/2008, 10:43 PM

Front right is the return with an attachment to the inlet to draw from the bottom.

Here is the Ody 1000 recirc, to its left is the Ody 250 feed. It sits on the foam and uses rubber/plastic 3/4" tubing on the outlet of the 1000 to help keep it quiet.

downhillbiker · 03/27/2008, 01:31 AM

i'm in the club. ive got the multi skimmer and it works great.

luke33 · 03/27/2008, 07:15 AM

downhill, got any pics of the multi running and some skimmate pics. I've always wanted to see some of those.

Danorth, nice job with the recirc. looks good. If you can't skim any dryer and your as low as you can go with the standpipe, you can cut it down an inch or two if you need to.

danorth · 03/27/2008, 10:52 AM

Yeah, it can get drier, I do have about 1 inch to lower the outlet (standpipe). Also I keep the collection cup higher by 1 inch instead of shoving it down all of the way, cheap way to make it a bit taller.

danorth · 03/27/2008, 11:30 AM

Here it is after feeding 1 piece of shrimp. The bubble/foam area starts about 1" below the neck without the collection cup being counted. Before it was starting at the bottom of the collection cup with the collection cup being pushed all of the way down.

luke33 · 03/27/2008, 11:57 AM

Nice! One thing you may want to do because it was poorly designed is to drill a few holes in the lid for ventilation. With that much air you need some ventilation in there for the air to pass through. I drilled 4 - 1/8" drillbit holes in the top.

danorth · 03/27/2008, 12:06 PM

I have already drilled 2, but it isn't enough, I will drill some more today now that I'm thinking of it again. Right now I just have the lid cracked and a towel pusing down on it from under the tank.

luke33 · 03/27/2008, 12:21 PM

You can always tell if you have enough ventilation by lifting the lid. If it starts overflowing you don't have enough.

03/27/2008, 01:31 AM	#494
downhillbiker Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,831	i'm in the club. ive got the multi skimmer and it works great. __________________ The friendliest GIANT you'll ever meet. Current Tank Info: 200g Marineland Deep Dimension (Lumenmax Reflectors/Dual PFO 400w/Radium 20K) and 2xFrag Tanks (One TEK T5 fixture and one MH, Galaxy/Phoenix) on same system w/100g sump w/6"x100g DSB, AquaC EV-1000 Skimmer, Reeflo Barracuda return pump

02/05/2008, 02:33 PM	#476
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Yes, the 1000 is the recirc. Either pic will work fine.

02/06/2008, 02:30 AM	#477
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	So, I put 3 layers on a dremeled out prop and needed to take off the rubber und that goes into the inlet side of the shaft. I also had the right pieces to make it 3/4" for the inlet on the outside of the skimmer, didn't touch the inside. But I can say that the foam above the water line is more than double.....within 5 minutes of plugging it in. Interested to see it again in the morning. Noisy pump by the way.....

02/06/2008, 10:13 PM	#478
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Here is 17 hours worth. Needs to be a bit darker but on the right track. Still using the venturi and an additional airline right at the edge from a pump for more air. It is a dual outlet pump so I'm going to get another piece of hose for the other side to get even MORE air! I also lowered the leveler to lessen the moisture some.

02/07/2008, 10:23 AM	#479
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Looks good man, just lower it a bit at a time to get your nog darker.

02/08/2008, 02:11 PM	#480
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Another thing I've noticed it that it doesn't like to work with lower water levels for some reason. The water needs to be about 2 inches over the pump to get the pump to pull air in better. It doesn't make sense, but it does seem to be a pattern. I also have removed the air line that was pumping in extra air. Going to keep trying things out. With the water output being lowered 1/2" it produced half as much skimmate, but was darker too.

02/20/2008, 01:01 AM	#481
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Ordered most of the parts to make it into a recirc (rest of parts should be lowes). Feed is going to be a Odessy 250. Recirc will still be the CA. The goal is to continue to keep it all inside a 10 gallon tank still with a return pump as well. I have bubble and skimmate envy....Can't wait to see if this works.

02/20/2008, 07:24 AM	#482
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Sounds good, take some pics when you recirc it. When you cut the holes don't stop in the middle or your hole saw bit will melt to the acrylic.

02/20/2008, 10:21 AM	#483
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	I noted your comments from your recirc fun, quick and with pressure if I remember right. I also noticed that the recirc you did had the holes at the same elevation and didn't seem to lower the effectiveness of it. Most seem to draw from the bottom and flow back in higher. Depending on how the pump fits on its side I will either have it flat like you did (with inlet and outlet at the same height) or sitting up(with the outlet being higher than the inlet).....but sitting up makes it shoot back in with a 90* which you said lowers the air volume, so if I put it on its side it will shoot straight in. We shall see. I hope this pump I have will do the trick and really make a ton of bubbles as a recirc. I'd hate to get another pump with holes already in it from this pump.....meaning I have to patch the holes!

02/20/2008, 10:36 AM	#484
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Yep, you've got it right, the 90 decreases the air, sideways worked well but it make a large footprint!

02/23/2008, 12:24 PM	#485
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	The Catalina 4000 pump is only pulling 10 scfm. Even off of the skimmer. Just got the Odyssea 1000 pump. Will be back with some more readings. pm sent to you luke about the mesh to prop attachment.

02/23/2008, 01:47 PM	#486
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Okay, here is a comparison shot of the Catalina Aquariums 4000 vs. the Odyssea WP-1000: Here is the work to the prop: And for the outlet, I bored out the 3/4" MPT to slip adapter, original vs. ported: I may bore the inlet thread portion of the next adapter as well, but may not. The threaded portion of the pvc piece is smaller in diameter than a regular pvc 3/4 pipe so there could be a better pull over all. Still the 3/4" pvc pipe on the water side of the air hose adapter still, but then it would shrink right before it gets to the prop due to the thick thread portion......Curious WWLD? What would Luke Do!

02/23/2008, 02:04 PM	#487
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	I've found by having the 3/4" not boared it'll give it that extra jolt when pulling in the air. I've found that some pump's do the best when the venturi goes from small to larger to small right before the impeller, like this pump. But it would be cool to see you make the same venturi for each of those fittings and see what yielded the best #'s.

02/23/2008, 02:06 PM	#488
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	The genx4100 is the same way.

03/09/2008, 07:47 PM	#489
dzamora Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 49	I'm thinking about picking up a 200. Where do you guys recommend buying one from?

03/09/2008, 08:22 PM	#490
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	If you wait a bit you can find the 200 on ebay for around 40bux. If you want it now, you can get one at aquastealth.com for 89bux.

03/25/2008, 03:47 PM	#491
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	The recirc is done. 2 uniseals 3/4" and 1" and used the existing inlet for the feed with an Odyssea 250. About 1 hour in, already doing more than before. The recirc pump is the Odyssea 1000. *All done including return pump in a 10 gallon tank!

03/25/2008, 04:48 PM	#492
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Now that is impressive man! Need some pics.

03/26/2008, 10:43 PM	#493
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Front right is the return with an attachment to the inlet to draw from the bottom. Here is the Ody 1000 recirc, to its left is the Ody 250 feed. It sits on the foam and uses rubber/plastic 3/4" tubing on the outlet of the 1000 to help keep it quiet.

03/27/2008, 07:15 AM	#495
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	downhill, got any pics of the multi running and some skimmate pics. I've always wanted to see some of those. Danorth, nice job with the recirc. looks good. If you can't skim any dryer and your as low as you can go with the standpipe, you can cut it down an inch or two if you need to.

03/27/2008, 10:52 AM	#496
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Yeah, it can get drier, I do have about 1 inch to lower the outlet (standpipe). Also I keep the collection cup higher by 1 inch instead of shoving it down all of the way, cheap way to make it a bit taller.

03/27/2008, 11:30 AM	#497
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	Here it is after feeding 1 piece of shrimp. The bubble/foam area starts about 1" below the neck without the collection cup being counted. Before it was starting at the bottom of the collection cup with the collection cup being pushed all of the way down.

03/27/2008, 11:57 AM	#498
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	Nice! One thing you may want to do because it was poorly designed is to drill a few holes in the lid for ventilation. With that much air you need some ventilation in there for the air to pass through. I drilled 4 - 1/8" drillbit holes in the top.

03/27/2008, 12:06 PM	#499
danorth Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: roseville, CA Posts: 3,701	I have already drilled 2, but it isn't enough, I will drill some more today now that I'm thinking of it again. Right now I just have the lid cracked and a towel pusing down on it from under the tank.

03/27/2008, 12:21 PM	#500
luke33 Moved On Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,375	You can always tell if you have enough ventilation by lifting the lid. If it starts overflowing you don't have enough.