SPS 33 system with NC6 frag/QT and Snowflake - Page 21

cherubfish pair · 09/24/2009, 09:14 PM

Hey Ruben, you might not know it but you just made the 500th post in this thread!
That's worth a three of LOLs

Thanks for all your posts so far, you made a lot here.

unbreakable · 09/24/2009, 09:24 PM

Lol np!

cherubfish pair · 09/26/2009, 09:53 PM

I'm painting the bottom of the 33 white so it will show detritus well. All that means is I will have to clean it more often. I used a cheapy gloss Plasti*Kote brand from Walmart. I added two coats with too little time in between and it streaked a little, although you can't tell in this pic because there is too little light in the attic. Tomorrow I'll add the rest of the paint in the bottle which is barely enough to cover the bottom of the paint jar. Today's coat will have all night to dry, that better be enough.

I'm doing the same scheme of things for the back panel of this tank, the paint will be black though.

unbreakable · 09/27/2009, 06:44 PM

does the eel need sand? or live rock is good enough?

cherubfish pair · 09/28/2009, 02:52 PM

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does the eel need sand?

No, bare bottom is ok and that's what I'll use for awhile. The problem with eels is that they're very messy eaters and poopers so they need to be cleaned up after, especially in a small tank like mine. I'm planning to siphon my eels mess out of the tank so a fine sandy bottom will get sucked up by the siphon. That means I will have to use a coarse substrate in my display tank.

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or live rock is good enough?

Morays absolutely need a cave to live. A crevice in a stack of liverock is best. They need a place to feel safe in when they're not hunting for food at night. They like to stick their head out of caves in daylight occasionally to see what's going on and it looks real cool.

cherubfish pair · 09/28/2009, 03:05 PM

Hey unbreakable, are you still researching leds? Do you have a link to that thread?

I will have to upgrade my lighting to make my Nano cube a frag tank and I'm researching too. It's got to be bright enough to grow sps and I think the 18 watts of pc lighting I have in there now won't do the trick.

cherubfish pair · 09/28/2009, 10:19 PM

Well I'm stuck with the paint job now. I used up all the white plasti-kote on the bottom panel and it could really use another coat. I don't want to go over the top of this paint with another brand because it could be come spotty. So the problem is neither of the two hardware stores in this town carry plasti-kote. The nearest place to get it is at Walmart in Kalispell which is almost 100 miles from here. (I guess you could say we live in the sticks.) I could probably get by with the paint job on the bottom as is because I don't want to wait two week until I go to Kalispell and I'm trying to get this show on the road.

I know you probably don't want to hear it, but the back panel has a similar paint problem with a major deviation. That deviation being I'm waiting for the black silicone rubber cement ordered from Aquatic Eco to glue on my closed loop's anemone saver. I won't know exactly where to paint until the CL's inlet is glued in. Aside from that, I have only one small jar of black Plasti-kote for the back panel which won't be enough so I might want to return this can of Krylon Fusion white for a black one. Ok, should I get flat or gloss?

unbreakable · 10/02/2009, 10:10 PM

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Hey unbreakable, are you still researching leds? Do you have a link to that thread?

I will have to upgrade my lighting to make my Nano cube a frag tank and I'm researching too. It's got to be bright enough to grow sps and I think the 18 watts of pc lighting I have in there now won't do the trick.

the LED for the nanocube? i think theyre on www.nanocustoms.com

i think t5ho would be better for your tank, i like the shimmer effect from the metal halides though

unbreakable · 10/02/2009, 10:12 PM

woops, i saw what you meant in your post

nanocustoms should have those LED you can buy to install in the canopy, if not, you can go to www.fishneedit.com and purchase the 150w metal halide but your tank will get hot probably?

unbreakable · 10/02/2009, 10:14 PM

if anything you could always remove the paint with a single edge razor blade and start over? dont really know too much about the paints though

cherubfish pair · 10/03/2009, 04:07 PM

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if anything you could always remove the paint with a single edge razor blade and start over? dont really know too much about the paints though

I'm not sure if razors can be used on acrylic. In fact, I'm pretty sure they can't. I would ask around on the boards instead of using the razor on a small test area of the tank.

unbreakable · 10/03/2009, 04:24 PM

ah thats right.. i keep thinking its glass because of the brace. definitely dont use razor on it

cherubfish pair · 10/03/2009, 04:33 PM

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you can go to www.fishneedit.com and purchase the 150w metal halide but your tank will get hot probably?

Not with this tank. That's an IceProbe chiller bulkheaded though the glass.

cherubfish pair · 10/03/2009, 04:56 PM

Here's an email conversation between me and a LFS that is 2-1/2 hours away from my house:

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Me:In a previous email you told me you have established pairs of Pygme Angels for sale. Small ones for 89.99 and big ones for 99.99. What are the ages and sizes of these?

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LFS:Males are about 2+" with the female slightly behind... 1.75 or so. $99.99 There is no way of knowing the age on these wild caught fish, but they have been here, paired up for nearly a year.

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Me:And do you have any in stock?

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LFS:I believe we have two pairs.

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Me:What company do you ship with and what would be the shipping to zip wxyz?

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LFS:FedEx. If you're ordering the one pair of angels, it should be AROUND $35.

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Me:What kind of temperatures are too cold to ship?

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LFS:We don't ship when it drops below 20 degrees.

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Me:I assume this is overnight shipping and what is your shipping schedule?

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LFS:We ship Monday through Friday.
Thanks for supporting Mariculture!
Please call, fax or e-mail if you have any questions, or if there is anything else I can do to be of service.

cherubfish pair · 10/03/2009, 05:09 PM

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liverock through QT? why? I don't think you should go to that extent. You can get your rock from www.marcorocks.com or www.bulkreefsupply.com depending what the better deal is, and cycle the tank like that. at least the rock will come to you dry so you wont have anything bad

I will quarantine wet liverock because I'm set up for it, the liverock can have parasites, I spent a lot of money to be able to quarantine, and it's not a hassle.

I only have four pieces of wet rock now in a bucket with water and I might get dry live rock from the sources that you mentioned, unbreakable, and yes I wouldn't need to quarantine that dry stuff.

cherubfish pair · 10/03/2009, 05:35 PM

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you can setup your skimmer, sand, vortech while it cycles and you can qt a couple fish at the same time

I'm going to do this. You have me figured out unbreakable.

I will set-up my auxiliary sump with Hang-on-back overflow. (All this temporary until I have some mini-cycles during quarantine.) There are oils and films on the tank that are from the manufacturing process that need to be skimmed out and then everything must be coated with a very thin layer of bacteria. This bacteria coating that doesn't include live rock bacteria is very important but I'm at a loss of words as to why right now.

The fish will be in quarantine during this first phase and I'm nervous about it. I've always just acclimated then dumped without quarantine. I'm afraid the pair will fight in a 6 gallon tank in a period that should last 4 weeks.

A lot of livestock vendors quarantine and if these guys do I just might put them in the QT long enough to eat the brand of fish food I have and get used to the water I use as opposed to the water at the LFS and before that Natural Sea Water (NSW).

powers2001 · 10/04/2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cherubfish pair

I'm going to do this. You have me figured out unbreakable.

I will set-up my auxiliary sump with Hang-on-back overflow. (All this temporary until I have some mini-cycles during quarantine.) There are oils and films on the tank that are from the manufacturing process that need to be skimmed out and then everything must be coated with a very thin layer of bacteria. This bacteria coating that doesn't include live rock bacteria is very important but I'm at a loss of words as to why right now.

The fish will be in quarantine during this first phase and I'm nervous about it. I've always just acclimated then dumped without quarantine. I'm afraid the pair will fight in a 6 gallon tank in a period that should last 4 weeks.

A lot of livestock vendors quarantine and if these guys do I just might put them in the QT long enough to eat the brand of fish food I have and get used to the water I use as opposed to the water at the LFS and before that Natural Sea Water (NSW).

what?

cherubfish pair · 10/04/2009, 03:47 PM

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what?

powers, you have pm.

cherubfish pair · 10/04/2009, 04:11 PM

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Well I'm stuck with the paint job now.

WAS.

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Ok, should I get flat or gloss?

I bought Krylon black gloss and I already applied the first coat.

powers2001 · 10/04/2009, 05:06 PM

I've read all pygme/dwarf angels have a 50/50 chance as being coral eaters.

cherubfish pair · 10/04/2009, 05:14 PM

I don't think they eat coral. They just pick on them, also seemingly bare spots on live rock, and micro algae on the glass/acrylic. I'm willing to take the chance. I've had a Coral Beauty and a Bicolor angel in the past and I just LOVED them.

cherubfish pair · 10/04/2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cherubfish pair

I bought Krylon black gloss and I already applied the first coat.

I just need to touch up on the edges right next to the frames with brush-on paint.

I'll be ordering my fish this week and right now I'm setting up my QT.

unbreakable · 10/05/2009, 06:45 PM

looking forward to seeing that pair

cherubfish pair · 10/05/2009, 07:34 PM

I'm planning on feeding them the same time everyday in the QT. That way when I put them in the 33, they might look for food at that time and find it instead of totally missing the boat when I feed them. (The food and fish will make a connection instead of the food getting lost on the bottom or sucked into something.)

powers2001 · 10/05/2009, 10:44 PM

How do you plan to acclimate them?

09/24/2009, 09:14 PM	#501
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Hey Ruben, you might not know it but you just made the 500th post in this thread! That's worth a three of LOLs Thanks for all your posts so far, you made a lot here. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

09/24/2009, 09:24 PM	#502
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	Lol np! __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

09/26/2009, 09:53 PM	#503
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I'm painting the bottom of the 33 white so it will show detritus well. All that means is I will have to clean it more often. I used a cheapy gloss Plasti*Kote brand from Walmart. I added two coats with too little time in between and it streaked a little, although you can't tell in this pic because there is too little light in the attic. Tomorrow I'll add the rest of the paint in the bottle which is barely enough to cover the bottom of the paint jar. Today's coat will have all night to dry, that better be enough. I'm doing the same scheme of things for the back panel of this tank, the paint will be black though. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

09/27/2009, 06:44 PM	#504
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	does the eel need sand? or live rock is good enough? __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

09/28/2009, 03:05 PM	#506
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	Hey unbreakable, are you still researching leds? Do you have a link to that thread? I will have to upgrade my lighting to make my Nano cube a frag tank and I'm researching too. It's got to be bright enough to grow sps and I think the 18 watts of pc lighting I have in there now won't do the trick. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/02/2009, 10:12 PM	#509
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	woops, i saw what you meant in your post nanocustoms should have those LED you can buy to install in the canopy, if not, you can go to www.fishneedit.com and purchase the 150w metal halide but your tank will get hot probably? __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

10/02/2009, 10:14 PM	#510
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	if anything you could always remove the paint with a single edge razor blade and start over? dont really know too much about the paints though __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

10/03/2009, 04:24 PM	#512
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	ah thats right.. i keep thinking its glass because of the brace. definitely dont use razor on it __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

10/04/2009, 05:06 PM	#520
powers2001 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 224	I've read all pygme/dwarf angels have a 50/50 chance as being coral eaters.

10/04/2009, 05:14 PM	#521
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I don't think they eat coral. They just pick on them, also seemingly bare spots on live rock, and micro algae on the glass/acrylic. I'm willing to take the chance. I've had a Coral Beauty and a Bicolor angel in the past and I just LOVED them. __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/05/2009, 06:45 PM	#523
unbreakable D: Join Date: May 2007 Location: ? Posts: 2,868	looking forward to seeing that pair __________________ INTERNET= Serious Business!

10/05/2009, 07:34 PM	#524
cherubfish pair Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Libby, Montana Posts: 7,061 Blog Entries: 1	I'm planning on feeding them the same time everyday in the QT. That way when I put them in the 33, they might look for food at that time and find it instead of totally missing the boat when I feed them. (The food and fish will make a connection instead of the food getting lost on the bottom or sucked into something.) __________________ pairo chero Thanks for looking at my build thread and subscribe to it if you already haven't yet! Current Tank Info: thirty rimless

10/05/2009, 10:44 PM	#525
powers2001 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 224	How do you plan to acclimate them?