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[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by flamron
thanks Capn....Looks like the whitecheek is def out. I don't want to deal with a fish that is not considered "hardy". really leaning towards the tomini or possibly the convict.

Out of my list of fish, who should go in first to last? here is my thinking;
couple clowns
firefish
yellow watchman goby
sailfin blenny
tang
mandarin

Thanks,
Ron

any order with these are fine--there are probably very little cautions about interactions between them.
The mandarine should go last though--waiting till your fuge can produce enough copopods for it

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by becky2312
Thanks Capn! I'm thinking I'll add the 2 clowns first and probably the CB and Sixline as the last two additions (not at the same time) . . . does that sound right?

yes, and try to add a small sixline so it hasn't learned any bad habits yet.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by ultimate125
ok, my tank is cycled..
equip:
125g TruVu FOWLR, 40g sump/fuge w/LR&chaeto, OR 3500, DAS BX 2, 72" T5 Constellation, 3 Koralia 4's, RK 2, JBJ ATO

what order should I slowly add these fish?

Male Bluejaw Trigger~Xanthichthys auromarginatus
Purple+Yellow tang
Regal or Potters Angel
Group of Bartlets Anthias~Pseudanthias bartlettorum
Group of Blue Reef Chromis~Chromis cyanea
Burgess' Butterfly~Chaetodon burgessi
Emperor Angel~Pomacanthus imperator
Blotched Anthias~Holanthias borbonius



thanks!

Judging by your list --this is a fowlr tank--correct?

IMO add the smaller fish first---chromis and bartletts

the two tangs together since they are both fairly agressive

the others as you prefer and the trigger last.

My reasoning is that you don't want the larger fish to feel that you are adding meals for them by adding the smaller fish last.

Again, I hope Sk8r adds here as I don't have the experience with folwr tanks as she has.

[Sk8r]

Start with the most peaceful and least aggressive. The anthias and chromis and butterfly fishes. Then tang, then trigger, I'd say. If you get a quarrel, tun the lights out on it. This is from saltwaterfish.com regarding the emperor angelfish; "A) Alert - This fish cannot be kept with other Angelfish. If you're attempting to purchase two or more Angelfish for the same aquarium it will cause them to fight and most likely one will not survive, so if you're placing an order that has 2 or more Angelfish in it we will have to place the order on hold until we're able to contact you to ensure you're not putting them into the same tank. If you understand they cannot be kept together, but would like to purchase two or more in the same order(separate tanks, group order, etc.) you will need to write in the Special Instructions area at the end of the shopping cart that you understand they cannot be kept together. Tremendous time and effort is put into ensuring the health of these fish and it is very important that you're fully aware two Angelfish should not be kept in the same tank....They should be reserved for established tanks with at least 6-12 months growth of green micro algae, or even better some live rock and the experience to go with it."
The larger angels are pushy, but fragile, and have their requirements: in this case again, you are going to have to run with high phosphate to feed the algae that feeds the fish, and probably a high incidence of film algae. Considering that this very large fish IS an algae-eater, you may want to reconsider having a tang, which would compete with it for food, or to go from zebrasoma species, which eats macroalgaes, to a bristletooth species like the tomini that will clean the rock and glass...unless this 'green microalgae' the site names IS film algae: there are so many kinds, and I would suggest specific reading on this species and your others to know about conflicting diets. Re high phosphates: film algae can be a problem, in that at high levels, it will reoccur about every 8 hours after removal and it does present a 'greener' tank than some like. But grazing fish need to graze pretty well constantly for best health.

[ReefEnabler]

nice blog Capn! I didn't actually know RC had blogs until I saw that, cool!

I'm a bit confused by one of the tang names. I've read, and been told that what is commonly referred to as the "powder brown tang" (see image) is actually a White Cheek tang becaus of the long white mark on its nose.


Identified as powder brown tangs on many sites, but is it a white cheek?

in capn tang blog this tang is identified as a white cheek, which is why I'm now confused:


Which is which, or does it matter? I know one of them is more hardy which is why I want to make sure I get the right one.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Sk8r
Start with the most peaceful and least aggressive. The anthias and chromis and butterfly fishes. Then tang, then trigger, I'd say. If you get a quarrel, tun the lights out on it. This is from saltwaterfish.com regarding the emperor angelfish; "A) Alert - This fish cannot be kept with other Angelfish. If you're attempting to purchase two or more Angelfish for the same aquarium it will cause them to fight and most likely one will not survive, so if you're placing an order that has 2 or more Angelfish in it we will have to place the order on hold until we're able to contact you to ensure you're not putting them into the same tank. If you understand they cannot be kept together, but would like to purchase two or more in the same order(separate tanks, group order, etc.) you will need to write in the Special Instructions area at the end of the shopping cart that you understand they cannot be kept together. Tremendous time and effort is put into ensuring the health of these fish and it is very important that you're fully aware two Angelfish should not be kept in the same tank....They should be reserved for established tanks with at least 6-12 months growth of green micro algae, or even better some live rock and the experience to go with it."
The larger angels are pushy, but fragile, and have their requirements: in this case again, you are going to have to run with high phosphate to feed the algae that feeds the fish, and probably a high incidence of film algae. Considering that this very large fish IS an algae-eater, you may want to reconsider having a tang, which would compete with it for food, or to go from zebrasoma species, which eats macroalgaes, to a bristletooth species like the tomini that will clean the rock and glass. Film algae can be a problem, in that at high levels, it will reoccur about every 8 hours after removal.

thanks Sk8r

I thought the one to a tank angel rulecaution was only for dwarf angels

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by RyanBrucks
nice blog Capn! I didn't actually know RC had blogs until I saw that, cool!

I'm a bit confused by one of the tang names. I've read, and been told that what is commonly referred to as the "powder brown tang" (see image) is actually a White Cheek tang becaus of the long white mark on its nose.


Identified as powder brown tangs on many sites, but is it a white cheek?

in capn tang blog this tang is identified as a white cheek, which is why I'm now confused:


Which is which, or does it matter? I know one of them is more hardy which is why I want to make sure I get the right one.

thanks Ryan:

I think they both are whitecheeks:

http://saltwater.aqua-fish.net/?white-cheek-tang

I really really appreciate your input ---I been asking and coaxing for input in this blog--due to the vast degree of differing information on tangs

[ultimate125]

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
Judging by your list --this is a fowlr tank--correct?

correct capn_!

thanks for the guidance on stocking

[CrazyCohiba]

Originally posted by 13threefmaniac
Most or all(if i'm not mistaken) members of the Valenciennea species exhibit this kind of feeding behaviour. Common names would include the Diamond Watchman Goby, Golden-headed Sleeper Goby and Blueband Goby.

Crazy week sorry for the late reply
Thanks a million

[ultimate125]

Originally posted by Sk8r
Start with the most peaceful and least aggressive. The anthias and chromis and butterfly fishes. Then tang, then trigger, I'd say. If you get a quarrel, tun the lights out on it. This is from saltwaterfish.com regarding the emperor angelfish; "A) Alert - This fish cannot be kept with other Angelfish. If you're attempting to purchase two or more Angelfish for the same aquarium it will cause them to fight and most likely one will not survive, so if you're placing an order that has 2 or more Angelfish in it we will have to place the order on hold until we're able to contact you to ensure you're not putting them into the same tank. If you understand they cannot be kept together, but would like to purchase two or more in the same order(separate tanks, group order, etc.) you will need to write in the Special Instructions area at the end of the shopping cart that you understand they cannot be kept together. Tremendous time and effort is put into ensuring the health of these fish and it is very important that you're fully aware two Angelfish should not be kept in the same tank....They should be reserved for established tanks with at least 6-12 months growth of green micro algae, or even better some live rock and the experience to go with it."
The larger angels are pushy, but fragile, and have their requirements: in this case again, you are going to have to run with high phosphate to feed the algae that feeds the fish, and probably a high incidence of film algae. Considering that this very large fish IS an algae-eater, you may want to reconsider having a tang, which would compete with it for food, or to go from zebrasoma species, which eats macroalgaes, to a bristletooth species like the tomini that will clean the rock and glass...unless this 'green microalgae' the site names IS film algae: there are so many kinds, and I would suggest specific reading on this species and your others to know about conflicting diets. Re high phosphates: film algae can be a problem, in that at high levels, it will reoccur about every 8 hours after removal and it does present a 'greener' tank than some like. But grazing fish need to graze pretty well constantly for best health.

Sk8r- I appreciate your advice and I will read more on the zebrasoma species before I decide maybe I will do just 1 angel...how many chromis do you think I can safely add at once?

thanks again!

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by ultimate125
Sk8r- I appreciate your advice and I will read more on the zebrasoma species before I decide maybe I will do just 1 angel...how many chromis do you think I can safely add at once?

thanks again!

you can add 4 or 5 chromis but they willl probably whittle down their numbers to two.

[ultimate125]

Originally posted by capn_hylinur
you can add 4 or 5 chromis but they willl probably whittle down their numbers to two.

could I do 3-4 convict tangs?

[jtreefdweller]

So I have big aiptasia problem in my 120g softie tank. In the tank are
2 three stripe damsels (they're devils)
1 yellowtail damsel
1 foxface
1 snowflake eel
2 scooter blennies

I have an extremely healthy copper banded butterfly fish in the 75g. I have had him for about a year and he got rid of all the aiptasia in the 75g and he eats scallops and mussels like a champ. My main concern adding him to the 120g is the damsels picking on him. I added a copper banded a while back but the damsels killed him in a matter of days. Do you guys think this will happen again with a healthy CBB or is it alright to add him. I really do not want to loose him considering he has done so well.

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by jtreefdweller
So I have big aiptasia problem in my 120g softie tank. In the tank are
2 three stripe damsels (they're devils)
1 yellowtail damsel
1 foxface
1 snowflake eel
2 scooter blennies

I have an extremely healthy copper banded butterfly fish in the 75g. I have had him for about a year and he got rid of all the aiptasia in the 75g and he eats scallops and mussels like a champ. My main concern adding him to the 120g is the damsels picking on him. I added a copper banded a while back but the damsels killed him in a matter of days. Do you guys think this will happen again with a healthy CBB or is it alright to add him. I really do not want to loose him considering he has done so well.

I wouldn't do it personally--like you stated those three stripes are devils and you have already tried a cbb in there with them.
Fish don't change their behaviour like humans

eg I have a three striped damsel in my tank---I have exhausted every avenue of getting him out of their except draining the tank

I can't put a clown fish in there--its just relentless on its attack to them. The same damsel doesn't attack anything else(including my copper banded butterfly) but I guarantee if I put a Perc back in there it would attack immediately again.

Similar in your case---you know what your damsels will do-they don't forget

If you are adding the cbb to control aptasia--that is hit any miss anyways. My cbb was in qt for 4 weeks while I got it to eat. The 30 gal tank I had it in was covered with tulip and aptasia ----didn't touch them.

I would suggest you try Joe's Juice on the aptasia.

[Tswifty]

Originally posted by RyanBrucks
nice blog Capn! I didn't actually know RC had blogs until I saw that, cool!

I'm a bit confused by one of the tang names. I've read, and been told that what is commonly referred to as the "powder brown tang" (see image) is actually a White Cheek tang becaus of the long white mark on its nose.


Identified as powder brown tangs on many sites, but is it a white cheek?

in capn tang blog this tang is identified as a white cheek, which is why I'm now confused:


Which is which, or does it matter? I know one of them is more hardy which is why I want to make sure I get the right one.

There's a difference:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/GoldRimSs.htm

The Acanthurus japonicus or White Faced Tang



The Acanthurus (glaucopareius) nigricans or White Cheek Tang



Both are commonly sold as "Gold Rimmed Tang" or "Powder Brown Tang"

The difference lies in the white markings on the face.

[Tswifty]

Originally posted by RyanBrucks
Which is which, or does it matter? I know one of them is more hardy which is why I want to make sure I get the right one.

It does matter...

According to Fenner the Acanthurus japonicus (White Faced Tang) is far better suited for the home aquarium as the Acanthurus nigricans (White Cheek Tang) rarely lives for more than a few months in captivity.

So if you are looking for the "hardier" one...

You'll want this:



Not this:



Good luck

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Tswifty8
There's a difference:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/GoldRimSs.htm

The Acanthurus japonicus or White Faced Tang



The Acanthurus (glaucopareius) nigricans or White Cheek Tang



Both are commonly sold as "Gold Rimmed Tang" or "Powder Brown Tang"

The difference lies in the white markings on the face.

thanks for making the blog more accurate TJ--I'll add your comments to the appropriate page.

[Aquarist007]

Ryan: here is a more up to date blog--thanks to you and TJ again

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=340

[PhilipOSU]

Sk8r: I am keeping a 6ft. 100g FOWLR and I am looking to add to my livestock. I am running a Octo NW-200 skimmer in my sump and my current livestock list is as follows:

5" Blue Ringed Angel
3.5" Yellow Tang
2"Purple Firefish
2.5" Lawnmower Blenny
1" Catalina Goby (warm water)
2" Blue Damsel (I would love to get this out of the tank)
1 Cleaner Shrimp
1 Banded Coral Shrinp
1 Pistol Shrimp


I am thinking that I want to add 1 additional tang, 2 butterflies (Auriga, Copperband, Pakistani, or Raccoon), and a Coral Beauty Angel

TJSwifty was over last night and says I should definitely get at least one more tang. I think from what I have read that I shouldn't have problems with the Blue Ringed Angel and a coral beauty... Also, I have read that the Auriga Butterfly needs to be added at the same time as similar colored butterflys.

Any comments, thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil

[B.Pereira]

Hello, GREAT THREAD BTW

23gallon flatback hex

eheim 2232 filter
Current inhabitants
1 Ocellaris Clown
2 Blue/Green chromis
4 Turbos
2 Zebra hermits

Would like to add 1 longnosed hawkfish
or 2 skunk clowns

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by PhilipOSU
Sk8r: I am keeping a 6ft. 100g FOWLR and I am looking to add to my livestock. I am running a Octo NW-200 skimmer in my sump and my current livestock list is as follows:

5" Blue Ringed Angel
3.5" Yellow Tang
2"Purple Firefish
2.5" Lawnmower Blenny
1" Catalina Goby (warm water)
2" Blue Damsel (I would love to get this out of the tank)
1 Cleaner Shrimp
1 Banded Coral Shrinp
1 Pistol Shrimp


I am thinking that I want to add 1 additional tang, 2 butterflies (Auriga, Copperband, Pakistani, or Raccoon), and a Coral Beauty Angel

TJSwifty was over last night and says I should definitely get at least one more tang. I think from what I have read that I shouldn't have problems with the Blue Ringed Angel and a coral beauty... Also, I have read that the Auriga Butterfly needs to be added at the same time as similar colored butterflys.

Any comments, thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Phil

Phil, you should have picked up a tomini tang like TJ just did--would be ideal for your tank

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by B.Pereira
Hello, GREAT THREAD BTW

23gallon flatback hex

eheim 2232 filter
Current inhabitants
1 Ocellaris Clown
2 Blue/Green chromis
4 Turbos
2 Zebra hermits

Would like to add 1 longnosed hawkfish
or 2 skunk clowns

there might be a problem with the clowns---twos company and threes a crowd

[Everyones Hero]

I may be inheriting my friend's 3 year old 30g reef tank.

Due to room constraints I was thinking about adding his rock/fish/corals to my 55g tank.

Most of his corals are softies so I'm not concerned about those, but I want to check on the fish.

I have a 55g that has a Springer's Dottyback (Pseudochromis) & a Lawnmower/Sailfin Blenny.

I know he has a clown & from what I can tell what looks like a Yellow Tang & another fish. I haven't had much of a chance to talk to him & I don't have the tank yet; but here's a picture:



Is that a Yellow Tang & a Damsel? If so will those 3 be alright in my tank?

[Aquarist007]

Originally posted by Everyones Hero
I may be inheriting my friend's 3 year old 30g reef tank.

Due to room constraints I was thinking about adding his rock/fish/corals to my 55g tank.

Most of his corals are softies so I'm not concerned about those, but I want to check on the fish.

I have a 55g that has a Springer's Dottyback (Pseudochromis) & a Lawnmower/Sailfin Blenny.

I know he has a clown & from what I can tell what looks like a Yellow Tang & another fish. I haven't had much of a chance to talk to him & I don't have the tank yet; but here's a picture:



Is that a Yellow Tang & a Damsel? If so will those 3 be alright in my tank?

that is a yellow tang and really should not be in either tank--not enought space

definetly a blue damsel--make sure it doesn't come with the tank

[Sk8r]

PhilipOsu, this from a website, re the blue ringed; "This angelfish can become quite belligerent, possibly bullying more passive tank mates such as butterflyfish, batfish, and trunkfish. If kept with other angelfish it is best if they are adults and that the aquarium is quite large, 180 gallons or more."
You could have a problem down the road: large angels own their space, and often will not tolerate large 'flat' fishes, perhaps seeing them as rivals. Particularly the copperband is a skittish fish and easily scared into retreat: feeding becomes a problem.
You would perhaps do better with 'cigar'shaped fishes with that fellow...or fish that aren't easily scared or chased, ie, tangs, if you yourself have an aesthetic preference for 'flat' fishes.


Cap'n----awwww, I've had a perfectly fine relationship with blue devil damsels. I rather like them...if you get others of a rough-and-tumble disposition.