New Vertex Cerebra $699.99 - Intro Price $374.99 - Page 21

sleepydoc · 07/16/2016, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

So the naysayers and Neptune fanboys don't ruin it for those who actually own it...

Makes sense.

No, like a lot of things with this release it doesn't if you think it though. They can restrict membership to owners while still allowing open viewing. Closing the viewing is the opposite of 'open and transparent' that they are professing to be.

fcmatt · 07/16/2016, 11:14 AM

I was hoping to get more information before the special price ends so seeing the forum being available only for current owners is disappointing.

ReefCowboy · 07/16/2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fcmatt

I was hoping to get more information before the special price ends so seeing the forum being available only for current owners is disappointing.

THIS! That is my point in regards to hindering sales.

Salty150 · 07/16/2016, 11:18 AM

Then buy it and get into the forum.

Or don't and don't be.

It is YOUR choice.

I know I as an owner certainly would not want to have to wade through all of the posts and comments complaining that the size of the display module is too big, etc., etc., etc.

I can certainly see why it is only for owners.

ArmanS · 07/16/2016, 11:29 AM

Salty,

I understand your enthusiasm but the "GTFO attitude if you don't like it" is a bit to much.

Like Doc said, Vertex wanted to be transparent and mentioned this numerous times, they could have done exactly what he said and allow viewing for everyone but registration for only members. This way you would not have to wade through all of the useless posts and comments that people like us have been making.

fcmatt · 07/16/2016, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ReefCowboy

THIS! That is my point in regards to hindering sales.

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Then buy it and get into the forum.

Or don't and don't be.

It is YOUR choice.

I know I as an owner certainly would not want to have to wade through all of the posts and comments complaining that the size of the display module is too big, etc., etc., etc.

I can certainly see why it is only for owners.

"
I have no need to really post. just allowing us to read would have been nice.

Confuse · 07/16/2016, 12:35 PM

The lack of transparency and lack of information from Vertex is exactly why I cancelled my preorder. I didn't truly know what I was getting due to the limited information they released. This only solidifies my decision. If they left their forum open I would be more inclined to evaluate purchasing their product based on user experiences. Just as I chose to hold off adopting the new apex based on the feedback on the neptune forums.

mikeatjac · 07/16/2016, 02:14 PM

Well after a day and a half working the Vertex system may work in the future but it sure does not now. I have used contollers but this system is in beta and not ready for the market yet.

mikeatjac · 07/16/2016, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

Then buy it and get into the forum.

Or don't and don't be.

It is YOUR choice.

I know I as an owner certainly would not want to have to wade through all of the posts and comments complaining that the size of the display module is too big, etc., etc., etc.

I can certainly see why it is only for owners.

And you want to know something the display is too big!!!!!

So buy one and tell us different lol

Salty150 · 07/16/2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Well after a day and a half working the Vertex system may work in the future but it sure does not now. I have used contollers but this system is in beta and not ready for the market yet.

Where are your pictures...?

And what doesn't seem to work?

cali9dub · 07/16/2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Well after a day and a half working the Vertex system may work in the future but it sure does not now. I have used contollers but this system is in beta and not ready for the market yet.

Ok. I believe you.

mikeatjac · 07/16/2016, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

Where are your pictures...?

And what doesn't seem to work?

Not mine to worry about, that George's.

What does not work? Well the temp reading works as does the PH.

kouma · 07/16/2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

So the naysayers and Neptune fanboys don't ruin it for those who actually own it...

Makes sense.

Yep, i love that its exclusive. Makes me feel special and also gives me the comfort I am going to get exclusive support.

A closed forum means Vertex support team will deal with real product owners, not fakers. Thus, real product owners will get more attention from Vertex support and ultimately better support.

kouma · 07/16/2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Well after a day and a half working the Vertex system may work in the future but it sure does not now. I have used contollers but this system is in beta and not ready for the market yet.

Dude you have been bashing Cerebra in almost every post you make. Honestly, I don't even believe you (or your "friend") owns one. BUT if you do AND you hate it that much, I will buy it off you, what do you think? Use that money to buy an Apex

mikeatjac · 07/16/2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kouma

Dude you have been bashing Cerebra in almost every post you make. Honestly, I don't even believe you (or your "friend") owns one. BUT if you do AND you hate it that much, I will buy it off you, what do you think? Use that money to buy an Apex

Not trying to brash it, just trying to use it.

sleepydoc · 07/16/2016, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmanS

Salty,

I understand your enthusiasm but the "GTFO attitude if you don't like it" is a bit to much.

This.

I realize many of my posts have been negative, but I am honestly not trying to continually bash Vertex of be an Apex fanboy. On the contrary, I don't own an Apex, so I have no loyalty to them, and I really would like to see a well-designed, easy to use controller on the market.

The problem is there are several potential and real shortcomings with the Vertex. There is a lack of actual knowledge about the controller and the fact that Vertex itself makes statements that are at times semicontradictory or don't make sense when thought through doesn't help. Keeping the Cerebra user forum un-viewable to outside viewers only makes it worse.

Then I see people completely dismiss any criticism or questions about the controller (even before it has been released,) or label people asking questions as 'Apex Fanboys,' or 'Vertex Bashers,' all while ignoring the points raised. Ironically, they end up looking exactly like the 'Fanboys' they are blowing off, making it difficult to trust their opinions, even should they get some hands on experience.

Unfortunately, this thread has turned into an 'us against them' discussion. You either love the Cerebra for the totally awesome, groundbreaking, best-on-the market controller that it clearly is, or you are a Hater that is trying to keep Vertex out of the market and Neptune on top. I keep waiting for actual facts and answers, but they have been in woefully short supply. Hopefully that will change.

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Salty150 · 07/16/2016, 06:59 PM

This thread is proof-positive that Vertex making the forum for owners only was the right choice.

Some guy says his "friend" has it and that it doesn't work and that it is not ready for the market...

But then you ask him what didn't work - and he replies but doesn't say.

Saying that the temp probe and the PH probe work...

slief · 07/16/2016, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

This thread is proof-positive that Vertex making the forum for owners only was the right choice.

Some guy says his "friend" has it and that it doesn't work and that it is not ready for the market...

But then you ask him what didn't work - and he replies but doesn't say.

Saying that the temp probe and the PH probe work...

I for one think their forum should be viewable so that perspective customers could read up and see what's really going on. Make it read only but making it not viewable isn't a great choice unless there are things to hide. I own one. I registered over 24 hours ago & still can't view the forum despite going through their authentication process. Does that make me happy when I bough this thing & can't even read the damn forum let alone ask a question there?? You can be the judge.

Did you buy one?

Salty150 · 07/16/2016, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by slief

I for one think their forum should be viewable so that perspective customers could read up and see what's really going on. Make it read only but making it not viewable isn't a great choice unless there are things to hide. I own one. I registered over 24 hours ago & still can't view the forum despite going through their authentication process. Does that make me happy when I bough this thing & can't even read the damn forum let alone ask a question there?? You can be the judge.

Did you buy one?

LOL, nope, not yet... so I am not a Cerebra fanboy - I have no dog in this...

I am waiting for my Royal Exclusiv Dreambox to be ready and shipped from Florida to set up my new system...

slief · 07/16/2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

LOL, nope, not yet... so I am not a Cerebra fanboy - I have no dog in this...

I am waiting for my Royal Exclusiv Dreambox to be ready and shipped from Florida to set up my new system...

I bet you are.

Good news is that several Dreamboxes are in route to Florida now and will be there in the next couple weeks.

Salty150 · 07/16/2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by slief

I bet you are. Good news is that dreamboxes are in route to Florida now and will be there in the next couple weeks.

About time!

mikeatjac · 07/16/2016, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

This thread is proof-positive that Vertex making the forum for owners only was the right choice.

Some guy says his "friend" has it and that it doesn't work and that it is not ready for the market...

But then you ask him what didn't work - and he replies but doesn't say.

Saying that the temp probe and the PH probe work...

Wait a minute, I said that it is not ready because it is in beta. Right now it is hard to use. I have no horse in this show and believe in competition.

Issues we had were using an iPad because mounting the display is a pain the ***.
Lack of support, might be because it is the weekend.
The forum sucks.

fcmatt · 07/16/2016, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by slief

I bet you are.

Good news is that several Dreamboxes are in route to Florida now and will be there in the next couple weeks.

slief,

you have a great reputation here from what I understand. any updates from you are really appreciated when it comes to this controller. I am preparing to buy one soon. Thank you for your help in my post about a skimmer. Sure makes me want to go with bubble king when I see you posting at RC and doing a great job in your sub forum.

LXXero · 07/16/2016, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slief

Manipulating and programming via VNC using an iPad is pretty much impossible. I added the RealVNC app to my iPad and was able to log in without issue however scrolling through the menus doesn't appear to work well if at all. You can go into the menu's and hit the buttons but there doesn't appear to be a home button so going back is impossible. Maybe I am missing something. I will read up more on the VNC app. I do have an Android tablet so I will load VNC Viewer on that and see if it's any better. I expect a VNC viewer on the PC will work better and will test that later this weekend.

this is what I feared...vnc isn't really a proper remote interface for something like this, especially when you're vncing into a thing that's expecting an android touch interface...they really should have did something web-based, like a web-version of the android interface...or maybe they should have skipped an android interface all together and just did it web from the start, and their interface would just have to access that, similar to people using tablets for apex? It would have been much more device-agnostic that way...

Nothing saying they won't eventually do this via their promised cloud platform, but i'm just surprised they didn't do it this way from the start...it is beta afterall I guess....

gcarroll · 07/17/2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty150

This thread is proof-positive that Vertex making the forum for owners only was the right choice.

Some guy says his "friend" has it and that it doesn't work and that it is not ready for the market...

But then you ask him what didn't work - and he replies but doesn't say.

Saying that the temp probe and the PH probe work...

Personally I don't think this thread had anything to do with Vertex making the forum private. A big complaint in this thread is that the product is beta. It is common with beta products to have hidden from the public discussion. If you really want to know what is going on, join the beta launch. If not, just wait for the non beta version. If the forum is not open at that point, then you will just have to rely on the opinions of the users. It is what it is. In the end, it's your choice.

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ArmanS Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 90713 Posts: 1,391	Salty, I understand your enthusiasm but the "GTFO attitude if you don't like it" is a bit to much. Like Doc said, Vertex wanted to be transparent and mentioned this numerous times, they could have done exactly what he said and allow viewing for everyone but registration for only members. This way you would not have to wade through all of the useless posts and comments that people like us have been making. __________________ 120" x 34" x 30" 540g Build Starting Soon! Royal Exclusiv Dream Box Sump, 2 x 60" ATI LED/T5, DaStaCo CARx, Apex, Genesis, BK SM 250, 3 x RD 3 230w, UV, ATS, & Arid Reactor! Will have build thread so

07/16/2016, 11:14 AM	#502
fcmatt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NH Posts: 850	I was hoping to get more information before the special price ends so seeing the forum being available only for current owners is disappointing.

07/16/2016, 11:18 AM	#504
Salty150 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,345	Then buy it and get into the forum. Or don't and don't be. It is YOUR choice. I know I as an owner certainly would not want to have to wade through all of the posts and comments complaining that the size of the display module is too big, etc., etc., etc. I can certainly see why it is only for owners.

07/16/2016, 12:35 PM	#507
Confuse Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 385	The lack of transparency and lack of information from Vertex is exactly why I cancelled my preorder. I didn't truly know what I was getting due to the limited information they released. This only solidifies my decision. If they left their forum open I would be more inclined to evaluate purchasing their product based on user experiences. Just as I chose to hold off adopting the new apex based on the feedback on the neptune forums.

07/16/2016, 02:14 PM	#508
mikeatjac Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 2,433	Well after a day and a half working the Vertex system may work in the future but it sure does not now. I have used contollers but this system is in beta and not ready for the market yet.

07/16/2016, 06:59 PM	#517
Salty150 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,345	This thread is proof-positive that Vertex making the forum for owners only was the right choice. Some guy says his "friend" has it and that it doesn't work and that it is not ready for the market... But then you ask him what didn't work - and he replies but doesn't say. Saying that the temp probe and the PH probe work...