New Lumen Bright Reflector. ... any info on them - Page 22

laud · 08/09/2008, 03:53 PM

I got 'em all hung and lit up. I still don't have any corals yet, but first things first.

Top picture is with 2 coralife 4x65watt pc's. Each has 2 10k's and 2 actinic 03's. Totalling 520watts. They were placed 1.5" off the water, due to broken legs.

Bottom picture is with 3 LB's 250watt 12k reeflux. Picture was taken at initial startup with no burn in at all.

Quite a difference in coloration. Also, the pc's were staggered and older bulbs.

laud · 08/09/2008, 05:52 PM

Here is how I mounted them in the canopy and ceiling...

reefyguy · 08/09/2008, 06:31 PM

well done laud

may i ask you a question?

Did you leave Texas on the fourth of Juuuuuuulyyyyyyyyyy?

Was the sun so hot?

laud · 08/10/2008, 09:00 AM

The sun was hot and not only that, but the eagles filled the sky. LOL

And thanks.

reefyguy · 08/10/2008, 08:51 PM

lumenbrights fired...i unplugged them and now they wont refire.

any ideas?

this is a new install.....i have the switch on max

melev · 08/10/2008, 09:07 PM

"Lumenbrights" are reflectors. Are you talking about the ballasts when you say you have "the switch on max"? If you turn them off, the bulb has to cool down for 10 to 15 minutes before it will restart.

Double check that you have power where the ballast is plugged in. A tripped circuit, a tripped 6-way powerstrip, even the switch turned to the off position on a timer could all be throwing you off. Always check the basics.

reefyguy · 08/10/2008, 09:38 PM

redid my heat shrinks

see if that works...one is on the other is still off

reefyguy · 08/10/2008, 10:02 PM

that was it..i am now the house of blues

(12k reeflux bulbs)

reefyguy · 08/11/2008, 08:36 PM

i have my reflector glass 9 inches from the water surface...i have reeflux 12k 250 bulbs....is this too close?

One thing i have noticed....very little heat transfer to the water compared to my 4x250 aquamedics de's

so far very happy with them

melev · 08/11/2008, 09:19 PM

Yes, they need to move up least 3 more inches. Mine (the glass) are 14" off the water, 18" from the bulb to the water.

DennisRB · 08/11/2008, 09:35 PM

With any luck I will be joining the crew soon! Plan is 3 x Laser beams, some old street lighting ballasts I found in a junk pile (some research has found these to be 250W HQI ballasts, which all tested out to work fine).

I will be using 14K $20 HQI SE lamps from ebay. My theory is that with the lumenbrights, the cheap lamps will punch way more par into my tank than expensive lamps using a lessor reflector, specially considering I can change them much more often. I am currently running 3 x 150 ebay lamps and the light looks great but its not strong enough.

Thoughts?

Also I worked out that 7.2 hours of runtime with the 250s will equal the same power consumption as 12 hours with the 150s.

Will 7.2 hours be enough?

melev · 08/11/2008, 09:41 PM

Assuming the ebay bulbs are good, 6 hours per bulb is plenty per day. That is all mine run and my tank has been doing great as far as I can tell.*

*Since I'm always doing something, an issue appears here or there, but nothing that I could attribute to a lighting issue.

bubbletip2 · 08/11/2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reefyguy
i have my reflector glass 9 inches from the water surface...i have reeflux 12k 250 bulbs....is this too close?

One thing i have noticed....very little heat transfer to the water compared to my 4x250 aquamedics de's

so far very happy with them

With 3 stacked up on each other assuming you have a 5ft 150g tank, you are ok as far as spread. 9" is just way too low for LumenBrights. They are too strong to do this without a PAR meter. At minimum if you have a 5ft tank I would say 12" with 250's - 14" is pushing it with 400's. Any lower and you are talking about some serious acclimation especially with particular coral.

I talk and write about acclimation as if I really like it. I can't stand it. I am just like everyone else. I would love to just place a coral wherever I wish. I have had a hard enough time acclimating coral to 2 - 400w bulbs at 17.5" from bulb to water on a 5 ft tank. Changing to 3- 250's at 15" will take less acclimation which I am happy about

But with LumenBrights there still is an acclimation process. I would be in the same boat if I were stacked up at 12" and it would be a nightmare if I had to acclimate at 9"

Example - a friend gave me a beautiful blue gomezi for almost nothing. I was very excited about it and had it at around 250 on the bottom for 3 weeks. I was just about to change over to 250's and decided to move it to a spot at 350 thinking it is just one day. Well the next day I get home and I have 5 tips that are white. Fried the tips on this gomezi and faded it enough to disappoint in just a matter of hours and these were 2 - 400w bulbs at 17.5" from the water. I immediately moved it back to the spot where it was glowing blue and happy. It has held on but the tips are a bit whiter. So think about this - I moved a coral acclimated for 3 weeks at 250 and I move it to 350 and in just a few hours it was taking a turn for the worse. We are talking about a very sensitive coral, one I have not had much luck with. In fact I don't think I have ever seen a gomezi bigger than a few inches. I guess this is the extreme and many of your coral will acclimate just fine. But when you think about it, did you stunt there growth because they had to get used to such powerful light that they were not used to before? They may make it out just fine but you could have crippled your coral.

I was at 17.5" , can you imagine if I was at 14.5"? I would have done more than just fry the tips. If you have room to raise them a few inches I would. If you keep them that low with 4 - T5's, be careful...

reefyguy · 08/12/2008, 06:49 PM

Before

After (just installed)

still need to adjust and balance em..but for right now thats it....going to have to saw off the old zero edge lamptree's...not going to drain tank

reefyguy · 08/12/2008, 06:50 PM

definetely bluuuuuuueeeeeee

picture quality sucks

melev · 08/12/2008, 06:55 PM

Those chains are going to outlive those tiny threads on the eye bolts.

reefyguy · 08/12/2008, 07:02 PM

you think they will fall as is?

melev · 08/12/2008, 07:15 PM

As long as those bolts hold, we are both safe. I tend to wonder about that connection, but I don't think about it TOO much, if you know what I mean.

laud · 08/12/2008, 08:42 PM

I mounted screws up through the reflector into the wood support and had trouble sleeping, so the next day I went and got bolts with washers and wingnuts to hold it securely. Now I sleep very well...

except for the dreams of a tank blowout. LMAO

bubbletip2 · 08/12/2008, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reefyguy
definetely bluuuuuuueeeeeee

picture quality sucks

That looks like a lot more than 9" from the bulb to the water. Did you raise them up? Looking good. I think I am going to need a mini pendant for the 30g cube I plumbed in over the weekend.

reefyguy · 08/12/2008, 10:37 PM

i did raise them up......I knew i had to.....When i first mounted them I thought for sure they were above 12 inches

They are now at 12 inches from water to glass......

I again would like to thank Mike at Reefspecialty.com for helping me out with my questions and providing great overall support

bubbletip2 · 08/13/2008, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reefyguy
i did raise them up......I knew i had to.....When i first mounted them I thought for sure they were above 12 inches

They are now at 12 inches from water to glass......

I again would like to thank Mike at Reefspecialty.com for helping me out with my questions and providing great overall support

So then you are about 15"-16". Nice. You could if you wanted go am inch or two lower. You will just have to see what works out best. Are you putting up the 4 T5's too?

reefyguy · 08/13/2008, 06:26 AM

No t5's.....wouldnt even know how to mount em!

My wife is not happy with the current setup.

At some point i am going to have the guys that built the stand build a canopy.....must please wife

laud · 08/13/2008, 06:59 AM

You could get rid of all that stuff behind and on top of the lights by mounting them directly to the ceiling with swag hooks held by toggle bolts.

reefyguy · 08/13/2008, 07:32 AM

except the ceiling is 40-50 feet above my tank!

08/09/2008, 03:53 PM	#526
laud Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,225	I got 'em all hung and lit up. I still don't have any corals yet, but first things first. Top picture is with 2 coralife 4x65watt pc's. Each has 2 10k's and 2 actinic 03's. Totalling 520watts. They were placed 1.5" off the water, due to broken legs. Bottom picture is with 3 LB's 250watt 12k reeflux. Picture was taken at initial startup with no burn in at all. Quite a difference in coloration. Also, the pc's were staggered and older bulbs. __________________ Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. —Lao-Tze Current Tank Info: 210, 75 sump/refugium, AquaC EV-240, 3LB's Radium 20k, vho supplement and now a Korallin 1502 CR and a phosban reactor.

08/09/2008, 05:52 PM	#527
laud Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,225	Here is how I mounted them in the canopy and ceiling... __________________ Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. —Lao-Tze Current Tank Info: 210, 75 sump/refugium, AquaC EV-240, 3LB's Radium 20k, vho supplement and now a Korallin 1502 CR and a phosban reactor.

08/10/2008, 09:00 AM	#529
laud Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,225	The sun was hot and not only that, but the eagles filled the sky. LOL And thanks. __________________ Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. —Lao-Tze Current Tank Info: 210, 75 sump/refugium, AquaC EV-240, 3LB's Radium 20k, vho supplement and now a Korallin 1502 CR and a phosban reactor.

08/10/2008, 10:02 PM	#533
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	that was it..i am now the house of blues (12k reeflux bulbs) Last edited by reefyguy; 08/10/2008 at 10:23 PM.

08/12/2008, 08:42 PM	#544
laud Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,225	I mounted screws up through the reflector into the wood support and had trouble sleeping, so the next day I went and got bolts with washers and wingnuts to hold it securely. Now I sleep very well... except for the dreams of a tank blowout. LMAO __________________ Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. —Lao-Tze Current Tank Info: 210, 75 sump/refugium, AquaC EV-240, 3LB's Radium 20k, vho supplement and now a Korallin 1502 CR and a phosban reactor.

08/09/2008, 06:31 PM	#528
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	well done laud may i ask you a question? Did you leave Texas on the fourth of Juuuuuuulyyyyyyyyyy? Was the sun so hot?

08/10/2008, 08:51 PM	#530
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	lumenbrights fired...i unplugged them and now they wont refire. any ideas? this is a new install.....i have the switch on max

08/10/2008, 09:07 PM	#531
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	"Lumenbrights" are reflectors. Are you talking about the ballasts when you say you have "the switch on max"? If you turn them off, the bulb has to cool down for 10 to 15 minutes before it will restart. Double check that you have power where the ballast is plugged in. A tripped circuit, a tripped 6-way powerstrip, even the switch turned to the off position on a timer could all be throwing you off. Always check the basics.

08/10/2008, 09:38 PM	#532
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	redid my heat shrinks see if that works...one is on the other is still off

08/11/2008, 08:36 PM	#534
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	i have my reflector glass 9 inches from the water surface...i have reeflux 12k 250 bulbs....is this too close? One thing i have noticed....very little heat transfer to the water compared to my 4x250 aquamedics de's so far very happy with them

08/11/2008, 09:19 PM	#535
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Yes, they need to move up least 3 more inches. Mine (the glass) are 14" off the water, 18" from the bulb to the water.

08/11/2008, 09:35 PM	#536
DennisRB Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 388	With any luck I will be joining the crew soon! Plan is 3 x Laser beams, some old street lighting ballasts I found in a junk pile (some research has found these to be 250W HQI ballasts, which all tested out to work fine). I will be using 14K $20 HQI SE lamps from ebay. My theory is that with the lumenbrights, the cheap lamps will punch way more par into my tank than expensive lamps using a lessor reflector, specially considering I can change them much more often. I am currently running 3 x 150 ebay lamps and the light looks great but its not strong enough. Thoughts? Also I worked out that 7.2 hours of runtime with the 250s will equal the same power consumption as 12 hours with the 150s. Will 7.2 hours be enough?

08/11/2008, 09:41 PM	#537
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Assuming the ebay bulbs are good, 6 hours per bulb is plenty per day. That is all mine run and my tank has been doing great as far as I can tell.* *Since I'm always doing something, an issue appears here or there, but nothing that I could attribute to a lighting issue.

08/12/2008, 06:49 PM	#539
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	Before After (just installed) still need to adjust and balance em..but for right now thats it....going to have to saw off the old zero edge lamptree's...not going to drain tank

08/12/2008, 06:50 PM	#540
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	definetely bluuuuuuueeeeeee picture quality sucks

08/12/2008, 06:55 PM	#541
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Those chains are going to outlive those tiny threads on the eye bolts.

08/12/2008, 07:02 PM	#542
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	you think they will fall as is?

08/12/2008, 07:15 PM	#543
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	As long as those bolts hold, we are both safe. I tend to wonder about that connection, but I don't think about it TOO much, if you know what I mean.

08/12/2008, 10:37 PM	#546
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	i did raise them up......I knew i had to.....When i first mounted them I thought for sure they were above 12 inches They are now at 12 inches from water to glass...... I again would like to thank Mike at Reefspecialty.com for helping me out with my questions and providing great overall support

08/13/2008, 06:26 AM	#548
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	No t5's.....wouldnt even know how to mount em! My wife is not happy with the current setup. At some point i am going to have the guys that built the stand build a canopy.....must please wife

08/13/2008, 06:59 AM	#549
laud Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,225	You could get rid of all that stuff behind and on top of the lights by mounting them directly to the ceiling with swag hooks held by toggle bolts. __________________ Watch your thoughts; they become words. Watch your words; they become actions. Watch your actions; they become habits. Watch your habits; they become character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny. —Lao-Tze Current Tank Info: 210, 75 sump/refugium, AquaC EV-240, 3LB's Radium 20k, vho supplement and now a Korallin 1502 CR and a phosban reactor.

08/13/2008, 07:32 AM	#550
reefyguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 393	except the ceiling is 40-50 feet above my tank!