Reeflo/Sequence Skimmer Club

[JRaquatics]

Originally posted by JenDub
How big is the interior tubing on the larger cup?

Assuming it's the same diameter as the stock cup I don't see how putting an extra foot of height onto the skimmer would increase air intake. You may be able to push more water through the skimmer and the skimmer's volume is larger by a gallon or so but I'm not convinced it would be a dramatic different (for $250).

Would love to see a side by side comparison with two orca 250's (one with new cup/one with old) on the same tank...sounds like a good excuse for Paul to get another unit for his other overflow!

Here is a local DIY dart NW skimmer that used a similar neck:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...ht=loc+skimmer

I wasn't too hep on the taller neck although I have seen them put onto Euroreef skimmers, once again the extra height hinders the venturi...

The neck diameter size is the same as the stock, Just the necks length and cupsize changed.

The Upgraded cup allows for more water volume to enter the skimmer, which in turn adds more pressure in volume. This does add turbulance and would not get good results with the stock cup. The longer neck is used to calm the colmn of air as it reaches the cup. If you believe in dwell time then the longer neck also allows for this. Ultimately without going into a bunch of skimmer mumbo jumbo, It is proven on Mikes skimmer that it makes the skimmer a better performer.

Reasons off the top of my head why the Reef Specialty cup works better:
- More control over wet and dry skimmate pull
- More water volume can be added at a faster rate (X2 and maybe more)
- More dwell time
- The upward air movement in the neck is calmer
- The foam doesn't crown against the cups lid

Like I stated before these skimmers were designed to have taller necks but were created this way for the market "for under the cabinet location" You will see the 200 will have a longer neck in comparison to the 250.

[cweder]

I am thinking along the lines of Jendub. It would seem more air intake would be required to keep it running efficient. Otherwise your just raising the water level and getting a little more contact time, but adding back pressure to the pump making the venturi suck in less air.

I am getting mud out of mine every 3 days as is, but I am always looking for ways to get more. Maybe the key is the extra water being pumped through to keep the air draw thru the venturi consistant.

Overall, I think its a good idea that I was hoping would be available and plan on buying one.

I'd like more of Mikes feedback though. I'd like to know where he keeps his water level at know and if the air draw was affected any.

[pwhitby]

i would think that the neck is composed predominantly of bubbles, thus adding little in back pressure.

I would be interested in trying a new neck. Where did you get it from?

Paul.

[JRaquatics]

Originally posted by cweder
I am thinking along the lines of Jendub. It would seem more air intake would be required to keep it running efficient. Otherwise your just raising the water level and getting a little more contact time, but adding back pressure to the pump making the venuri suck in less air.

I am getting mud out of mine every 3 days as is, but I am always looking for ways to get more. Maybe the key is the extra water being pumped through to keep the air draw thru the venturi consistant.

Dont quote me on this yet but it does not seem like the extra neck height has effected the venturi and its air pull. I can confirm this tomorrow whith my dwyer meter. Mike at Reef Specialty is not in the business of selling products that will not bennefit a fellow hobbiest just to make a profit. He wants others to be as successful as he has been.

[JRaquatics]

Originally posted by pwhitby
i would think that the neck is composed predominantly of bubbles, thus adding little in back pressure.

I would be interested in trying a new neck. Where did you get it from?

Paul.

Reef Specialty.



Mike also stated that the air becomes more dense with the new cup and is one of the reasons for its superb performance

[wizsmaster]

i'm wondering .. with the taller neck, how has it influenced your cleaning ritual for the skimmer?
My guess would the you have more dry foam near the top, depositing on the sidewall, thus requiring more frequent cleaning of the neck? Also - did you guys raise the water level, or leave t as most run it right below the black collar on the neck? If you raise it ... remember to not shutoff the pump unless you have raised the silencer - otherwise water will come shooting out & drain your sump/tank slowly.

[Rwinfrey]

wizmaster not trying to bug you but WHERE ARE THE PICS

[pwhitby]

Well, hopefully after thanksgiving, I will be able to report back on my thoughts about the new cup.

Cant wait to get it installed and running.

Thanks Mike.

Paul.

[wizsmaster]

Originally posted by Rwinfrey
wizmaster not trying to bug you but WHERE ARE THE PICS

but you are bugging me! (j/k)

i took some last night reallyquick ... and they came out really crappy.









auto shut-off


wetneck


drain in the body

[wizsmaster]

gate valve, air (large) & ozone intake (small)


drain in the cup w/ valve


sleepy morning picture ... i had just woken up. salt bucket for comparison

[robs fish]

Hope you got a good deal as I think he will be getting a lot of e-mails after these pics.
Is the air intake loud with it being that big and how many gallons are you putting through it.

Rob

[cweder]

I think we should photoshop that shot of wiz, put a crown on his head and crown him king of the skimmer, or is that his captain morgan spiced rum pose. He He He

Thats is a heck of a skimmer...I hope it cost 2 to 3 times the Orca or I'm gonna be seriously jealous.

[wizsmaster]

Originally posted by cweder
Thats is a heck of a skimmer...I hope it cost 2 to 3 times the Orca or I'm gonna be seriously jealous.

hahaha.

Originally posted by cweder
Thats is a heck of a skimmer...I hope it cost 2 to 3 times the Orca or I'm gonna be seriously jealous.

:-D NOPE!

[rishma]

I am surprised to see the cone to body seam does not look very clean.

nice skimmer

[cweder]

Wizsmaster, you've now commited double mutiny. First you start
this thread, then have the guts to sell your skimmer here and now showing off your upgraded model. I must say she is sweet, but now you must spill the beans and tell us how much was she and whats the air draw? Just for kicks please take a side by side pic. I did contact spazz months ago and the cheapest model he had at that time was about $2500, too bad he did'nt tell me this was coming.

[bernie lyons]

Hey wizsmaster , nice skimmer ! I see it's a true counter -current design and am interested to know how much better it skims compared to the co-current design .
cheers
bernie lyons

[wizsmaster]

Originally posted by rishma
I am surprised to see the cone to body seam does not look very clean.

nice skimmer

That is the only seam that is not 100% clean - and scott called me beforehand to tell me about it - he was not happy about it, and offered to replace it since it did not match up to his standards .... i was pressed for time & told him i would take it as it was .... he said his offer still stands to replace it if it ever becomes a problem, or If i would like it replaced.

Originally posted by cweder
Wizsmaster, you've now commited double mutiny. First you start
this thread, then have the guts to sell your skimmer here and now showing off your upgraded model. I must say she is sweet, but now you must spill the beans and tell us how much was she and whats the air draw? Just for kicks please take a side by side pic. I did contact spazz months ago and the cheapest model he had at that time was about $2500, too bad he did'nt tell me this was coming.

haha .. i know ... i kind of felt bad ... and still do .. just hadn't gotten around to take nice pics to start up a new thread for the spazz skimmers ... I will do that soon, and would like to ask everybody to direct their comments into the other thread when directed towards the spazz skimmer ...
For the record - I didn't sell and switch from the Reeflo 250 to the Volcano for any reason other than trying out something different and wanting a few more options that the reeflo didn't have (I.E. wetneck, carbon lid, drain & able to disassemble) - The reeflo did very well for me, cleaned up my water & brightened the colors in most of my corals! The reeflo is a great skimmer for the money - but i was willing and wanting to give another skimmer a try. Lets see what this one can and will do for me.

For pricing, you will have to contact spazz - this is a beta unit, Yes - I did get a little bit of a discount, however we will be trying out different needlewheels, and possibly other body parts to make sure the first production unit will be trouble free & efficient.

Originally posted by bernie lyons
Hey wizsmaster , nice skimmer ! I see it's a true counter -current design and am interested to know how much better it skims compared to the co-current design .
cheers
bernie lyons

This skimmer is doing well so far - way to early to draw any conclusions ... i can already see that it will do fine, and scott is committed to modify and build needlewheels until we find a style/combo that will be the most efficient and provide the expected performance.

[wizsmaster]

I've already had the reeflo packed up for tomorrow voyage... pump, or pipes - just body for size comparison

[speedstar]

reef specialty??? do you feel the new neck and cup will sove the problem of my lid hovering and spilling bubbled skimate out and down the sides. I feed heavy and this seems to happy when I start increasing bacterial from dosing a sugar. thanks please let me know. back a few pages I posted a picture of what I'm talking about.

[JenDub]

Very good point about extending the level of the riser when installing the new cup!

Seems like the extra room is just what you need to help with your foam issue speedstar

[JRaquatics]

Here are the results of the new Reef Specialty cups.
I took dwyer meter testings on the reeflo 250 with the stock cup and the new Reef Specialty cup. The New cup does infact hinder the air pull but by only 1 scfh and I am not too sure if that is accurate. The dwyer meter bounces with the stock cup at 48-50+. The Reef Specialty Upgrade cup hoovers at 50 scfh.

So overall the new cup does not have an impact in venturi performance. If anything it made the airpull more stable, hence proving my theory that these skimmers are stunted in hieght inorder to widen the market for them.

This is the Dwyer meter reading with the old cup bouncing between 48-50+


This is the reading with the upgrade cup it stayed at 50scfh


My meter was a little to small as it only reeds to 50 scfhs and these skimmer can pull up to 90 scfhs. So I had to open the dwyer valve fully open to do an airpull test just to show that the venturi still pulls the same amount of air. I expect that others will conduct their own test that came be more accurate.

[JRaquatics]

Almost forgot the video. Sorry about the sideways angle. wasn't thinking when I took it. The footage speeks for itself.

[makdoogle]

Speedstar with the weight of the new lid, I doubt you would have that problem.

[xinumaster]

man that is just too tall to fit under my stand/cabinet. It would be nice to see a wet neck added on the reflo too.

[ReefSalt]

Nice Skimmer,I heard about these Reef Flo skimmers but have yet to see one in action keep us updated with some skimmate pics.