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[laxb0rder]

Hey I'm beginning to plan an upgrade and working what the differences would be between a 40B and a 75 gallon tank these are the fish I was thinking about and wondering how they would work together in either tank.

2 Ocellaris Clown -I've already had them for about 1 year old still quite small
2 zebra banded dart fish
Flasher wrasse or fairy wrasse -in 75 can I have 2? (Which would be more active as a show fish)
3 chromis or 3 cardinals
CUC snails only no hermits
Peppermint shirt or cleaner shrimp can you add one of each
If I go with a 75 can I add a blenny or a sand sifting goby or additional fish or have I already chosen too many.

Thanks
-Steve

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by laxb0rder

Hey I'm beginning to plan an upgrade and working what the differences would be between a 40B and a 75 gallon tank these are the fish I was thinking about and wondering how they would work together in either tank.

2 Ocellaris Clown -I've already had them for about 1 year old still quite small
2 zebra banded dart fish
Flasher wrasse or fairy wrasse -in 75 can I have 2? (Which best would be a male plus female flasher would be more active as a show fish)
3 chromis or 3 cardinals cardinals would be better
CUC snails only no hermits
Peppermint shirt or cleaner shrimp can you add one of each
If I go with a 75 can I add a blenny or a sand sifting goby or additional fish or have I already chosen too many.

A blenny would be fine.

Thanks
-Steve

except as annotated, all would be fine.

[LNbean]

My first tank...started it 2 months ago and loving it. 29gal biocube, skimmer in the back chamber, 20 lbs live sand, 15 lbs live rock, 4 snails, 5 hermits, 2 peppermint shrimp, 2 chromis, and 1 royal gramma basslet. Interested in adding over time (but not sure what max capacity would be): 1 yellow or green clown goby, 1 or 2 clownfish (probably ocellaris), blue tuxedo urchin. Any thoughts about those and suggestions for other/different additions? I do plan on an anemone and some corals later on as well. Thanks!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by LNbean

My first tank...started it 2 months ago and loving it. 29gal biocube, skimmer in the back chamber, 20 lbs live sand, 15 lbs live rock, 4 snails, 5 hermits, hermits will kill snails over time for their shells 2 peppermint shrimp, 2 chromis (will likely become only one), and 1 royal gramma basslet. Interested in adding over time (but not sure what max capacity would be): 1 yellow or green clown goby fine, 1 or 2 clownfish (probably ocellaris) should be fine , blue tuxedo urchin. Any thoughts about those and suggestions for other/different additions? I do plan on an anemone and some corals later on as well. Thanks!

the anemone success will depend on lighting and flow but usually your tank is not large enough long term

[salty72]

Hi Again,
So I ended up getting the 6-line, love her (or him but I prefer to call it a her cause she's so "pretty" looking) and so far not agressive. And I got a file fish (not ONE aptashia anemone left!) Love that thing as well. So I had a couple of questions regarding more additions:
1) Can my 75 gallon handle more fish? Or SHOULD it I guess I should ask. How many more could I get?
2) If I add more cardinal fish, will they school with the one I have?
3) Same for the chromis, the two I have don't leave each others sides.
4) Can I get a purple firefish, will that be compatible with the red fire fish?
5) Really want a dwarf coral beauty (I know the risks with my corals)
Thanks ahead for any advice.

[Patrick Cox]

Hi,
How does this stocking plan sound for a 75G (36x24x20) primarily SPS tank with shallow sand bed and about 50 lbs of rock and a roughly 20G sump?

2x Percula Clowns (they are hosting my frogspawn.)
1x Yellow Assessor
1x Blackline Blenny
1x Neon Goby
1x Small Blue Green Chromis

Would this be a full bio load? I have an SRO skimmer rated for 90G-160G, I run filter socks and change them out twice per week and I run GAC and GFO.

Thanks!

[LNbean]

Originally Posted by snorvich

the anemone success will depend on lighting and flow but usually your tank is not large enough long term

Thanks !

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by salty72

Hi Again,
So I ended up getting the 6-line, love her (or him but I prefer to call it a her cause she's so "pretty" looking) and so far not agressive. And I got a file fish (not ONE aptashia anemone left!) Love that thing as well. So I had a couple of questions regarding more additions:
1) Can my 75 gallon handle more fish? Or SHOULD it I guess I should ask. How many more could I get? that question is not answerable as it depends on behavior and size
2) If I add more cardinal fish, will they school with the one I have? no
3) Same for the chromis, the two I have don't leave each others sides. two may become one eventually
4) Can I get a purple firefish, will that be compatible with the red fire fish? only one firefish per tank long term unless they are a bonded male female pair
5) Really want a dwarf coral beauty (I know the risks with my corals) no behavioral issues except corals

note that you have now have two aggressive fish that may preclude future additions
Thanks ahead for any advice.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Patrick Cox

Hi,
How does this stocking plan sound for a 75G (36x24x20) primarily SPS tank with shallow sand bed and about 50 lbs of rock and a roughly 20G sump?

2x Percula Clowns (they are hosting my frogspawn.) technically the frogspawn is hosting the clownfish
1x Yellow Assessor
1x Blackline Blenny
1x Neon Goby
1x Small Blue Green Chromis

Would this be a full bio load? I have an SRO skimmer rated for 90G-160G, I run filter socks and change them out twice per week and I run GAC and GFO.

Thanks!

you should be fine

[johnson19]

i hAVE a 125 mixed reef, i have two blue/green chromis, one foxface, and a coral beauty, and a orange spot goby. i would like to add a tang or something else not sure what. thanks hang 20g sump live rock, sand and a vertex led please help

thanks

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by johnson19

i hAVE a 125 mixed reef, i have two blue/green chromis, one foxface, and a coral beauty, and a orange spot goby. i would like to add a tang or something else not sure what. thanks hang 20g sump live rock, sand and a vertex led please help

thanks

As those who follow this thread know, I do not provide recommendations for a variety of reasons. I am happy, however, to analyze any stocking plan provided.

[johnson19]

OK sorry. Well I'd love to have a white tailed Bristol tooth tang but I'd never find one.
But for tangs I was thinking maybe and Achilles or a whitecheck . Or possibly an desjardini. Any thoughts on how one of those would be

[milonedp]

Steve thanks so much for your help to date, do you comment on stocking order or tangs? If so...

If you remember you had suggested I could go with 5 Non-Naso + 1 Naso. I had chosen the following list and order, (was still missing my 5th non-naso)

Scopas Tang - Zebrasoma scopas
Kole Tang - Ctenochaetus strigosus
Blonde Naso Tang - Naso elegans
Acanthurus would ideally be added concurrently
- Atlantic Blue Tang - Acanthurus coeruleus
- Powder Brown Tang - Acanthurus japonicus

I'm having to revamp this list as I can't find the fish I want in the order I want and I wanted to see if there is a problem with my new approach.

Scopas Tang - Zebrasoma scopas - 3.5" - moved out of QT and into DT this past weekend

Next Round:
Desjardini Tang - Zebrasoma desjardini - 1.5" to 2.5" or 2.5 to 3.5" (I was thinking the smaller one)
Blonde Naso Tang - Naso elegans - 4" to 6"

Future Round:
Kole Tang - Ctenochaetus strigosus
Acanthurus would ideally be added concurrently (could I do any two of the below?)
- Atlantic Blue Tang - Acanthurus coeruleus
- Powder Brown Tang - Acanthurus japonicus
- Powder Blue Tang - Acanthurus leucosternon

So does the Desjardini mess up the mix or does this order and approach seem problematic?

Thanks so much

Doug

[tbeitouni]

I'm looking to set up a 5 footL 100 gallon soon, and I'm in my 'research' stage, since I've been 'out of service' for about two years since breaking down my last tank, I want to get a Trigger, never had one before and ALWAYS wanted one, I do intend to put him last, but with that in mind, and the size tank I would be working with, my question is, what kind of trigger is suitable for this size tank, and would a Fox face, Naso tang, and an Angel be ok?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by johnson19

OK sorry. Well I'd love to have a white tailed Bristol tooth tang but I'd never find one.
But for tangs I was thinking maybe and Achilles or a whitecheck . Or possibly an desjardini. Any thoughts on how one of those would be

A white Bristle tooth tang is excellent. A desjardini gets too large for your tank. Achilles needs no other tangs in your sized tank but is excellent if you have good flow.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by tbeitouni

I'm looking to set up a 5 footL 100 gallon soon, and I'm in my 'research' stage, since I've been 'out of service' for about two years since breaking down my last tank, I want to get a Trigger, never had one before and ALWAYS wanted one, I do intend to put him last, but with that in mind, and the size tank I would be working with, my question is, what kind of trigger is suitable for this size tank, and would a Fox face, Naso tang, and an Angel be ok?

In your sized tank, if you want a trigger, I would ONLY have the trigger as a species tank, but would get one of the spectacular ones such as undulated trigger, queen trigger, or clown trigger. Even if you did not have a trigger, I would not put any species of naso tang or large angel.

[johnson19]

Originally Posted by snorvich

A white Bristle tooth tang is excellent. A desjardini gets too large for your tank. Achilles needs no other tangs in your sized tank but is excellent if you have good flow.

i have two mp40s and 1350 return pump do you think that would be enough flow for the Achilles?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by johnson19

i have two mp40s and 1350 return pump do you think that would be enough flow for the Achilles?

Should be. They live in the wild in areas with surge so if you can replicate that, it would be great.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by milonedp

Steve thanks so much for your help to date, do you comment on stocking order or tangs? If so...

If you remember you had suggested I could go with 5 Non-Naso + 1 Naso. I had chosen the following list and order, (was still missing my 5th non-naso)

Scopas Tang - Zebrasoma scopas
Kole Tang - Ctenochaetus strigosus
Blonde Naso Tang - Naso elegans
Acanthurus would ideally be added concurrently
- Atlantic Blue Tang - Acanthurus coeruleus
- Powder Brown Tang - Acanthurus japonicus

I'm having to revamp this list as I can't find the fish I want in the order I want and I wanted to see if there is a problem with my new approach.

Scopas Tang - Zebrasoma scopas - 3.5" - moved out of QT and into DT this past weekend

Next Round:
Desjardini Tang - Zebrasoma desjardini - 1.5" to 2.5" or 2.5 to 3.5" (I was thinking the smaller one) smaller is better
Blonde Naso Tang - Naso elegans - 4" to 6"

Future Round:
Kole Tang - Ctenochaetus strigosus
Acanthurus would ideally be added concurrently (could I do any two of the below?)
- Atlantic Blue Tang - Acanthurus coeruleus
- Powder Brown Tang - Acanthurus japonicus
- Powder Blue Tang - Acanthurus leucosternon

So does the Desjardini mess up the mix or does this order and approach seem problematic? I would have preferred it be last and if not last, small. The underlying issue is that once tangs establish themselves and grow, their perception of their territory changes and they are more reluctant to allow conspecifics. When they are small, in a largish tank, it is much easier to introduce them.

Thanks so much

Doug

[tbeitouni]

Originally Posted by snorvich

In your sized tank, if you want a trigger, I would ONLY have the trigger as a species tank, but would get one of the spectacular ones such as undulated trigger, queen trigger, or clown trigger. Even if you did not have a trigger, I would not put any species of naso tang or large angel.

I need a larger footprint I assume, if I went back to a 230 with a 6' footprint would it be acceptable?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by tbeitouni

I need a larger footprint I assume, if I went back to a 230 with a 6' footprint would it be acceptable?

Triggers are aggressive to super aggressive. And it turns out, the more beautiful they are, the more aggressive they are. I would not recommend triggers except in species tanks. And I do not provide commentary or analysis on aggressive community tanks. But without any trigger, a 230 gallon six foot long tank would be fine for a large angel, but an 8 foot tank would be required/desired for any Naso tang.

[Patrick Cox]

Originally Posted by snorvich

you should be fine
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Cox
Hi,
How does this stocking plan sound for a 75G (36x24x20) primarily SPS tank with shallow sand bed and about 50 lbs of rock and a roughly 20G sump?

2x Percula Clowns (they are hosting my frogspawn.) technically the frogspawn is hosting the clownfish
1x Yellow Assessor
1x Blackline Blenny
1x Neon Goby
1x Small Blue Green Chromis

Would this be a full bio load? I have an SRO skimmer rated for 90G-160G, I run filter socks and change them out twice per week and I run GAC and GFO.

Thanks!

Thanks for your reply. One other fish I was considering is a Mystery Wrasse. Would his addition be ok or would you drop one fish for this? I would probably drop the Chromis for the mystery wrasse if that would be best. I don't want to overload my tank. Thanks!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Patrick Cox

Thanks for your reply. One other fish I was considering is a Mystery Wrasse. Would his addition be ok or would you drop one fish for this? I would probably drop the Chromis for the mystery wrasse if that would be best. I don't want to overload my tank. Thanks!

No problem with bioload. Not shrimp safe or compatible with fairy or flasher wrasses.

[lcs]

I am in the process of building a 125 mixed reef.

Current fish that will be moving over:
Melanuru wrasse
YWG
Occ. clown

New, in order of addition:
clown goby & fire fish (tank will be covered!)
Yellow assessor
Flasher wrasse trio (2 female/1 male) – problem w/ melanurus?
Blenny – torn between starry and tailspot
Dwarf angel – coral beauty or Potter’s
Yellow tang

Do you see any issues with tang being too aggressive with with the other, more peaceful fish? Any problems with my order of addition? Bioload?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by lcs

I am in the process of building a 125 mixed reef.

Current fish that will be moving over:
Melanuru wrasse
YWG
Occ. clown

New, in order of addition:
clown goby & fire fish (tank will be covered!)
Yellow assessor
Flasher wrasse trio (2 female/1 male) – problem w/ melanurus?
Blenny – torn between starry and tailspot
Dwarf angel – coral beauty or Potter’s Potters is more difficult
Yellow tang be sure it is last

Do you see any issues with tang being too aggressive with with the other, more peaceful fish? Any problems with my order of addition? Bioload? fine