**former thread of the month** Rebuilding the Reef - Log of a 90 Gallon Restarted - Page 27

AJP · 07/29/2005, 10:36 PM

Speaking of that, have you done it yet?

Jamesurq · 07/29/2005, 10:37 PM

Nope. I'm thinking tomorrow looks good..

skippysmind · 08/01/2005, 08:10 PM

do you have your tank plumbed so you can just flip a valve and drain it for water changes, it's very convenient.

Jamesurq · 08/01/2005, 09:03 PM

nope - that's definitely one of my future upgrades.

Right now - FWE treatment and resulting mass dieoff has caused a LOT of problems. 5 fish deaths - and some significant SPS browning...

Also - I had a problem with a pipe that blew out and spilled out about 20 gallons of water - while at the same time the auto-topoff system was filling the tank. SG went from .026 to .020 - all circulation shut off...

so as you can see, it's kinda busy at my house

Knyght · 08/01/2005, 09:11 PM

Murphy`s Law in effect eh?
Sure hate to hear it.

Keep us posted.

Habib · 08/02/2005, 03:38 AM

Please vote for the next Thread of the Month:

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=638435

TIA

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 06:38 AM

James, what time of day did you put in the FWE? Wade mentioned it at the meeting and suggested using it at night when the lights are off so that the fish won't eat the dead flat worms. Chad B at reefscience told me that he does it in increments 50% of the dose the first day wait two day 75%, wait two days 100%, wait two days 125% of the suggested dose. Too late now, but that is how he treats his tank. Just runs carbon during the process. Did you perform a water change after you dosed?

Dan

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 06:39 AM

Sorry to hear about the deaths as well. Hopefully the corals will color out again.

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 06:58 AM

Did it during the day. Ran about 4 lbs of carbon through a canister filter, and did a 25% waterchange just like the directions stated. I went with a 100% treatment.

Of course now that the tank has had a couple days to settle from the treatment there's a few flatties still alive

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 07:30 AM

That is something that I had noticed too when I'd perfromed treatments the way the directions specified. I think that the directions say to perform another treatment a few days later. Because the eggs won't always die with the first treatment, so you have to hit the buggers a few times. With the way that I mentioned you do end up using alot more FWE, but you don't really have to do a water change because you are killing them off slowly instead of all at once. It worked for me the several times that I have treated my tank that way. Hit them one more time, the little punks! That'll show them.

Dan

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 07:37 AM

I'll do it tonight probably. Assuming I have enough water made for a change...

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 08:11 AM

If you don't have many left you probably won't have to do much of one, but it might be good, since you did lose some fish. Most of them should have died off by now is all that I'm saying, so you should have alot less polution in the tank after the next treatment.

Dan

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 08:50 AM

Let's hope so....

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 10:09 AM

James, how quickly has your soli grown? I got a frag of Chad's this past weekend, just wanting to get an idea of how quickly yours has grown is all.
Once mine has grown out some we could always trade frags as well.
Dan

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 10:20 AM

it actually grew very quickly - something I'm told is quite rare.. Most of them grow painfully slowly.

Kinda moot though - the soli was the hardest hit from the FWE treatment. Not sure it's going to make it

TheCoralNabber · 08/02/2005, 10:29 AM

that really stinks james. Do you use any type of reactor on your system. I can't remember, and I don't want to have to re-read through this entire joker.

Had you given those accidental frags to people yet? If so you could probably get frags back from them at some point.

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 11:12 AM

haven't given out the 2 frags - they're toast....

No reactor. that's next on the list...

InsaneClownFish · 08/02/2005, 08:49 PM

I'm just posting cause your replies are at "666"...looks a bit ominous...

AJP · 08/02/2005, 08:52 PM

All movie links have been update, thanks mhurley. If one doesnt work PM me and i will fix it.

melev · 08/02/2005, 09:22 PM

James, I'm really sorry you lost some livestock fighting flatworms. I pre-treat all new arrivals with a couple of drops of FWE in their bag before adding them to my tank.

You are supposed to wait 7 days before re-dosing FWE.

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 09:26 PM

An ounce of prevention right Marc?

That's definitely my future routine...

So - where in the instructions does it suggest a 7 day waiting period on redosing? Because I redosed today.....

melev · 08/02/2005, 09:37 PM

Well, it should say it in the instruction sheet. I have a box here and could look it up. I might have mentioned it on this page perhaps.... I've not read it in a long time. http://www.melevsreef.com/flatworms.html

EDIT: yes, I did mention it briefly.

Jamesurq · 08/02/2005, 10:02 PM

Instructions from Salifert do not indicate any sort of waiting period. In fact, the discussion of redosing doesn't come up at all

From what people were telling me - 2 days is the longest I should wait - because of the quickness with which they reproduce...

Knyght · 08/02/2005, 10:35 PM

Ok call me a newbie

I have not had problems with flatworms *knock on wood* just how are they introduced into a system. What I mean is do they come on corals, rock or both, something else?

melev · 08/02/2005, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamesurq
Instructions from Salifert do not indicate any sort of waiting period. In fact, the discussion of redosing doesn't come up at all

From what people were telling me - 2 days is the longest I should wait - because of the quickness with which they reproduce...

I stand corrected. I checked both my original package from a long time ago as well as the new one and neither mention it. Perhaps I read that in the Salifert Forum way back when it seemed like every other thread was about flatworms a couple of years ago. Check with Habib to see what his current recommendation is.

Greg, they can come in on clams, corals, LR, macro algae, LS, etc...but I seriously doubt you'll see it come in on fish. It is very easy to treat the bag (1 drop per gallon) with a few drops as a 15 minute pre-treat before adding livestock to your tank.

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08/01/2005, 09:11 PM	#655
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08/02/2005, 03:38 AM	#656
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08/02/2005, 06:38 AM	#657
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	James, what time of day did you put in the FWE? Wade mentioned it at the meeting and suggested using it at night when the lights are off so that the fish won't eat the dead flat worms. Chad B at reefscience told me that he does it in increments 50% of the dose the first day wait two day 75%, wait two days 100%, wait two days 125% of the suggested dose. Too late now, but that is how he treats his tank. Just runs carbon during the process. Did you perform a water change after you dosed? Dan __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

08/02/2005, 06:39 AM	#658
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	Sorry to hear about the deaths as well. Hopefully the corals will color out again. __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

07/29/2005, 10:36 PM	#651
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	Speaking of that, have you done it yet?

07/29/2005, 10:37 PM	#652
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Nope. I'm thinking tomorrow looks good..

08/01/2005, 09:03 PM	#654
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	nope - that's definitely one of my future upgrades. Right now - FWE treatment and resulting mass dieoff has caused a LOT of problems. 5 fish deaths - and some significant SPS browning... Also - I had a problem with a pipe that blew out and spilled out about 20 gallons of water - while at the same time the auto-topoff system was filling the tank. SG went from .026 to .020 - all circulation shut off... so as you can see, it's kinda busy at my house

08/02/2005, 06:58 AM	#659
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Did it during the day. Ran about 4 lbs of carbon through a canister filter, and did a 25% waterchange just like the directions stated. I went with a 100% treatment. Of course now that the tank has had a couple days to settle from the treatment there's a few flatties still alive

08/02/2005, 07:30 AM	#660
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	That is something that I had noticed too when I'd perfromed treatments the way the directions specified. I think that the directions say to perform another treatment a few days later. Because the eggs won't always die with the first treatment, so you have to hit the buggers a few times. With the way that I mentioned you do end up using alot more FWE, but you don't really have to do a water change because you are killing them off slowly instead of all at once. It worked for me the several times that I have treated my tank that way. Hit them one more time, the little punks! That'll show them. Dan __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

08/02/2005, 07:37 AM	#661
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	I'll do it tonight probably. Assuming I have enough water made for a change...

08/02/2005, 08:11 AM	#662
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	If you don't have many left you probably won't have to do much of one, but it might be good, since you did lose some fish. Most of them should have died off by now is all that I'm saying, so you should have alot less polution in the tank after the next treatment. Dan __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

08/02/2005, 08:50 AM	#663
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Let's hope so....

08/02/2005, 10:09 AM	#664
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	James, how quickly has your soli grown? I got a frag of Chad's this past weekend, just wanting to get an idea of how quickly yours has grown is all. Once mine has grown out some we could always trade frags as well. Dan __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

08/02/2005, 10:20 AM	#665
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	it actually grew very quickly - something I'm told is quite rare.. Most of them grow painfully slowly. Kinda moot though - the soli was the hardest hit from the FWE treatment. Not sure it's going to make it

08/02/2005, 10:29 AM	#666
TheCoralNabber Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Durham, NC Posts: 554	that really stinks james. Do you use any type of reactor on your system. I can't remember, and I don't want to have to re-read through this entire joker. Had you given those accidental frags to people yet? If so you could probably get frags back from them at some point. __________________ This spot for rent for frags! Back at it... Watch out or I'll Nab your Corals! Current Tank Info: 12g nano been going since '04 has been mostly FO but not adding some more corals

08/02/2005, 11:12 AM	#667
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	haven't given out the 2 frags - they're toast.... No reactor. that's next on the list...

08/02/2005, 08:49 PM	#668
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08/02/2005, 08:52 PM	#669
AJP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,652	All movie links have been update, thanks mhurley. If one doesnt work PM me and i will fix it.

08/02/2005, 09:22 PM	#670
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	James, I'm really sorry you lost some livestock fighting flatworms. I pre-treat all new arrivals with a couple of drops of FWE in their bag before adding them to my tank. You are supposed to wait 7 days before re-dosing FWE.

08/02/2005, 09:26 PM	#671
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	An ounce of prevention right Marc? That's definitely my future routine... So - where in the instructions does it suggest a 7 day waiting period on redosing? Because I redosed today.....

08/02/2005, 09:37 PM	#672
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Well, it should say it in the instruction sheet. I have a box here and could look it up. I might have mentioned it on this page perhaps.... I've not read it in a long time. http://www.melevsreef.com/flatworms.html EDIT: yes, I did mention it briefly.

08/02/2005, 10:02 PM	#673
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	Instructions from Salifert do not indicate any sort of waiting period. In fact, the discussion of redosing doesn't come up at all From what people were telling me - 2 days is the longest I should wait - because of the quickness with which they reproduce...

08/02/2005, 10:35 PM	#674
Knyght Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,536	Ok call me a newbie I have not had problems with flatworms knock on wood just how are they introduced into a system. What I mean is do they come on corals, rock or both, something else? __________________ Life is Tough, But It's Tougher if You're Stupid --John Wayne Freedom is Flying Go Spurs!!!!!!!!!