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snorvich · 07/19/2013, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AmberFL03

Aren't tangs and triggers just as aggressive if not more so than these eels?

While this is NOT a discussion thread, the answer depends on many factors. In any case, best answers to your stocking list question can be obtained in the aggressive fish forum as a separate thread.

snorvich · 07/19/2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2to

Hmm, alright.

How about . . .

1 yellow clown goby
1 tanaka pygmy wrasse

OR

1 firefish

OR

1 Royal Gramma (I'm under the impression that this guy is a bit too big even solitary though...)

Could settle for a single neon goby (or a longer-lived alternative) if nothing else suffices. Corals are why I went saltwater, but I'd still like something that swims around.

Either of the first two options will work. For the firefish, however, you need a covered tank.

michfish5 · 07/19/2013, 09:39 PM

Rethinking my wishlist for my 65 gallon (60lb LR, 30lbs live sand, Aquamaxx skimmer, Aquaclear70 HOB, Jaebo WP25 wavemaker, no sump) FOWLR. Lots of caves in rockwork, good amount of mid/upper level swimming space:

1x Bartlett Anthias
1x Blue Reef Chromis
2x Banggai Cardinals (tank bred, M/F)
1x Ocellaris Clown (maybe 2?)
1x Royal Gramma
1x Lemonpeel Angel

Is this okay? Thanks in advance.

snorvich · 07/20/2013, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by michfish5

Rethinking my wishlist for my 65 gallon (60lb LR, 30lbs live sand, Aquamaxx skimmer, Aquaclear70 HOB, Jaebo WP25 wavemaker, no sump) FOWLR. Lots of caves in rockwork, good amount of mid/upper level swimming space:

1x Bartlett Anthias
1x Blue Reef Chromis
2x Banggai Cardinals (tank bred, M/F)
1x Ocellaris Clown (maybe 2?)
1x Royal Gramma
1x Lemonpeel Angel last

Is this okay? Thanks in advance.

That should be fine

Deep Reef · 07/20/2013, 02:37 PM

I picked up a 120g DT (24"W x 48"L x 24" H) that I will be transferring all my current inhabitants from my 75 DT to and then adding some others.

Current List
(1) kole tang
(1) Kaudern's Cardinal
(2) saddleback clowns
(1) labout's fairy wrasse
(1) Yellow watchman goby and pistol shrimp
(1) red hermit

I was hoping to add:
(1) yellow tang or one spot foxface for color
(1) diamond back goby (to clean sand) will this compete with YWG
(1) solon fairy wrasse

I'm not sure if I will add anything else. Your comments would be appreciated

snorvich · 07/20/2013, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deep Reef

I picked up a 120g DT (24"W x 48"L x 24" H) that I will be transferring all my current inhabitants from my 75 DT to and then adding some others.

Current List
(1) kole tang
(1) Kaudern's Cardinal
(2) saddleback clowns
(1) labout's fairy wrasse
(1) Yellow watchman goby and pistol shrimp
(1) red hermit

I was hoping to add:
(1) yellow tang or one spot foxface for color foxface would be preferable
(1) diamond back goby (to clean sand) will this compete with YWG the two fish will not get along
(1) solon fairy wrasse will lose some coloration absent a female; on the more aggressive side for fairy wrasses

I'm not sure if I will add anything else. Your comments would be appreciated

Deep Reef · 07/20/2013, 04:17 PM

? Not sure what you ment... Am I good?

snorvich · 07/20/2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Deep Reef

? Not sure what you ment... Am I good?

I provided comments. The foxface is less likely to be a problem long term than a yellow tang, two sand dwelling fish residing in the same ecological niche will be a problem; C. solorensis may be a problem with the existing fairy wrasse because they are aggressive. If you have a social acclimating box, that should solve that problem initially but may preclude similar additions going forward.

Deep Reef · 07/20/2013, 04:27 PM

sorry they didn't show on my tablet. thanks again and sorry.

Kessler · 07/21/2013, 05:00 AM

Hey again Steve, thanks for the help earlier, but my plans for the 75 seem to died and now I'm back to a 40 breeder FOWLR. Sad I don't get any tangs, but I'll try to make due. I'm pretty much going to try the same list we've decided on earlier but with no tang. Would any of these guys have any trouble in a 40?

2x true perc
1x potter's angel
1x royal gramma
1x McCosker's/carpenter flasher
1x firefish
1x bicolor blenny
1x mandarin goby (after establishing)

CUC, cleaner shrimp, and other misc inverts (maybe a cucumber and starfish).

snorvich · 07/21/2013, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kessler

Hey again Steve, thanks for the help earlier, but my plans for the 75 seem to died and now I'm back to a 40 breeder FOWLR. Sad I don't get any tangs, but I'll try to make due. I'm pretty much going to try the same list we've decided on earlier but with no tang. Would any of these guys have any trouble in a 40?

2x true perc
1x potter's angel difficult
1x royal gramma
1x McCosker's/carpenter flasher needs larger tank
1x firefish needs covered tank; introduce first
1x bicolor blenny
1x mandarin goby (after establishing) needs larger tank

CUC, cleaner shrimp, and other misc inverts (maybe a cucumber and starfish).

RAMMD · 07/21/2013, 01:27 PM

I have 2 tanks that I'm setting up at the same time, a 220g reef and a 140g FOWLR. Each aquarium has ample live rock and a deep sand bed in addition to a relatively large refugium.

Wish list for the 220g reef
Corals; colony polyps, waving hand, jasmine polyp, glove polyp, blue sympodium polyp, toadstool leather, pipe organ coral, hammer coral, frogspawn coral, tooth coral, mushroom coral and green star polyp.......in addition to my clean up crew of scarlet skunk cleaners,banded coral shrimp and peppermint shrimp...snails are nassarius, bumble bee, and conch.

Now to make sure the fish get along and don't tear up the corals and inverts:
1. Flame angel
2. Royal gramma
3. Barnacle blenny (3)
4. Mated pair of ocellaris clownfish
5. One spot foxface
6. Flame hawkfish
7. Desjardini sailfin tang
8. White cheek tang
9. Lamarcks angelfish

The 140g FOWLR
1. Purple tang
2. Flame hawkfish
3. Harlequin tuskfish
4. Orchid dottyback

These are the only fish that would be added to the tanks. I have a 400g in storage but I don't want to set it up until the fish get a little larger and because we may be moving within the next year. I appreciate your assistance.

snorvich · 07/21/2013, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMD

I have 2 tanks that I'm setting up at the same time, a 220g reef and a 140g FOWLR. Each aquarium has ample live rock and a deep sand bed in addition to a relatively large refugium.

Wish list for the 220g reef
Corals; colony polyps, waving hand, jasmine polyp, glove polyp, blue sympodium polyp, toadstool leather, pipe organ coral, hammer coral, frogspawn coral, tooth coral, mushroom coral and green star polyp.......in addition to my clean up crew of scarlet skunk cleaners,banded coral shrimp and peppermint shrimp...snails are nassarius, bumble bee, and conch.

Now to make sure the fish get along and don't tear up the corals and inverts:
1. Flame angel
2. Royal gramma
3. Barnacle blenny (3)
4. Mated pair of ocellaris clownfish
5. One spot foxface
6. Flame hawkfish not shrimp safe
7. Desjardini sailfin tang must be last fish added although it will do better in an 8 foot tank
8. White cheek tang
9. Lamarcks angelfish

fine except as noted

The 140g FOWLR
1. Purple tang
2. Flame hawkfish
3. Harlequin tuskfish
4. Orchid dottyback

should be fine

These are the only fish that would be added to the tanks. I have a 400g in storage but I don't want to set it up until the fish get a little larger and because we may be moving within the next year. I appreciate your assistance.

RAMMD · 07/21/2013, 04:08 PM

Do you know of any other species that has a hawkish like behavior and appearance but without the affinity to consume all the shrimp in the tank. I had a falco hawkfish in my last reef tank that behaved well but I assume that was a fluke that I don't want to risk. If you know of any I enjoy doing the research on the species. Any help would be appreciated.

snorvich · 07/21/2013, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RAMMD

Do you know of any other species that has a hawkish like behavior and appearance but without the affinity to consume all the shrimp in the tank. I had a falco hawkfish in my last reef tank that behaved well but I assume that was a fluke that I don't want to risk. If you know of any I enjoy doing the research on the species. Any help would be appreciated.

There are many other ambush predators. However they either eat fish or inverts.

Kessler · 07/21/2013, 06:48 PM

How difficult is the potter's angelfish. Is it because of its feeding habits?

Dashylock · 07/21/2013, 06:54 PM

want: midas blenny

Current tank:
40b lps/softies 80# live rock
20l sump w/live rock + chaeto

Current inhabitants:
1 blue tang (removing)
1 platinum clown
2 green chromis
1 spotted mandarin
1 ymg
1 red dragonette

what do you think?

snorvich · 07/21/2013, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kessler

How difficult is the potter's angelfish. Is it because of its feeding habits?

It is impossible to answer that question other than to suggest it for experienced dwarf angelfish keepers. it requires a mature tank with lots of grazing and appropriate feeding protocols.

snorvich · 07/21/2013, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dashylock

want: midas blenny

Current tank:
40b lps/softies 80# live rock
20l sump w/live rock + chaeto

Current inhabitants:
1 blue tang (removing)
1 platinum clown
2 green chromis
1 spotted mandarin two dragonettes in a 40 gallon tank will not work when one by itself needs a 75 gallon mature tank unless exceptional feeding techniques are employed.
1 ymg
1 red dragonette

what do you think?

Certainly removing the hepatus tang is desirable but I would not add a midas blenny as they will nip on the fins of water column fish; and of course your tank is rather full with the dragonettes being problematic in any case.

Kessler · 07/22/2013, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snorvich

It is impossible to answer that question other than to suggest it for experienced dwarf angelfish keepers. it requires a mature tank with lots of grazing and appropriate feeding protocols.

Okay, thanks for the warning. I'll look into a flame instead, liveaquaria says that's the care level is moderate instead of difficult.

snorvich · 07/22/2013, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kessler

Okay, thanks for the warning. I'll look into a flame instead, liveaquaria says that's the care level is moderate instead of difficult.

Flame angel should be no problem.

RAMMD · 07/22/2013, 08:20 AM

Is it possible to keep an orchid dottyback and royal gramma in a 220g reef with plenty of live rock, or will they fight since they have similar life cycles (ie habitat, diet...)

snorvich · 07/22/2013, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAMMD

Is it possible to keep an orchid dottyback and royal gramma in a 220g reef with plenty of live rock, or will they fight since they have similar life cycles (ie habitat, diet...)

P. fridmani is the least aggressive Pseudochromis and in a large tank should be compatible with Gramma loretto. However for compatibility with all other inhabitants I would need to know complete stocking list.

Raven1770 · 07/22/2013, 10:19 AM

Can I introduce one black/white Ocellaris with one Orange Ocellaris if I do it at the same time. Or are they a no go when placed together? Not trying to breed them, just think there both awesome to look at.

snorvich · 07/22/2013, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven1770

Can I introduce one black/white Ocellaris with one Orange Ocellaris if I do it at the same time. Or are they a no go when placed together? Not trying to breed them, just think there both awesome to look at.

Same species of clownfish even if morphologically different can be introduced together if both are small and the same size.

07/20/2013, 02:37 PM	#6855
Deep Reef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 1,192	I picked up a 120g DT (24"W x 48"L x 24" H) that I will be transferring all my current inhabitants from my 75 DT to and then adding some others. Current List (1) kole tang (1) Kaudern's Cardinal (2) saddleback clowns (1) labout's fairy wrasse (1) Yellow watchman goby and pistol shrimp (1) red hermit I was hoping to add: (1) yellow tang or one spot foxface for color (1) diamond back goby (to clean sand) will this compete with YWG (1) solon fairy wrasse I'm not sure if I will add anything else. Your comments would be appreciated __________________ Deep Reef ~Greg~ 150g DT, (2)AI Hydra 52 HD's, Vertex Omega 150 skimmer, jebao 1200DC main pump, Trigger Systems Sapphire 34 sump, (2) Ecotech WP40wQD, Tunze ATO, Apex Current Tank Info: 150g Reef

07/20/2013, 04:17 PM	#6857
Deep Reef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 1,192	? Not sure what you ment... Am I good? __________________ Deep Reef ~Greg~ 150g DT, (2)AI Hydra 52 HD's, Vertex Omega 150 skimmer, jebao 1200DC main pump, Trigger Systems Sapphire 34 sump, (2) Ecotech WP40wQD, Tunze ATO, Apex Current Tank Info: 150g Reef

07/20/2013, 04:27 PM	#6859
Deep Reef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 1,192	sorry they didn't show on my tablet. thanks again and sorry. __________________ Deep Reef ~Greg~ 150g DT, (2)AI Hydra 52 HD's, Vertex Omega 150 skimmer, jebao 1200DC main pump, Trigger Systems Sapphire 34 sump, (2) Ecotech WP40wQD, Tunze ATO, Apex Current Tank Info: 150g Reef

07/22/2013, 10:19 AM	#6874
Raven1770 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Akron, Ohio Posts: 88	Black/White and Orange Ocellaris Can I introduce one black/white Ocellaris with one Orange Ocellaris if I do it at the same time. Or are they a no go when placed together? Not trying to breed them, just think there both awesome to look at. __________________ Current Tank Setup: 36g Bow Front; BRS Carbon Canister 30" T5 quad lighting

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michfish5 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 167	Rethinking my wishlist for my 65 gallon (60lb LR, 30lbs live sand, Aquamaxx skimmer, Aquaclear70 HOB, Jaebo WP25 wavemaker, no sump) FOWLR. Lots of caves in rockwork, good amount of mid/upper level swimming space: 1x Bartlett Anthias 1x Blue Reef Chromis 2x Banggai Cardinals (tank bred, M/F) 1x Ocellaris Clown (maybe 2?) 1x Royal Gramma 1x Lemonpeel Angel Is this okay? Thanks in advance.

07/21/2013, 05:00 AM	#6860
Kessler Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 39	Hey again Steve, thanks for the help earlier, but my plans for the 75 seem to died and now I'm back to a 40 breeder FOWLR. Sad I don't get any tangs, but I'll try to make due. I'm pretty much going to try the same list we've decided on earlier but with no tang. Would any of these guys have any trouble in a 40? 2x true perc 1x potter's angel 1x royal gramma 1x McCosker's/carpenter flasher 1x firefish 1x bicolor blenny 1x mandarin goby (after establishing) CUC, cleaner shrimp, and other misc inverts (maybe a cucumber and starfish).

07/21/2013, 01:27 PM	#6862
RAMMD Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 14	I have 2 tanks that I'm setting up at the same time, a 220g reef and a 140g FOWLR. Each aquarium has ample live rock and a deep sand bed in addition to a relatively large refugium. Wish list for the 220g reef Corals; colony polyps, waving hand, jasmine polyp, glove polyp, blue sympodium polyp, toadstool leather, pipe organ coral, hammer coral, frogspawn coral, tooth coral, mushroom coral and green star polyp.......in addition to my clean up crew of scarlet skunk cleaners,banded coral shrimp and peppermint shrimp...snails are nassarius, bumble bee, and conch. Now to make sure the fish get along and don't tear up the corals and inverts: 1. Flame angel 2. Royal gramma 3. Barnacle blenny (3) 4. Mated pair of ocellaris clownfish 5. One spot foxface 6. Flame hawkfish 7. Desjardini sailfin tang 8. White cheek tang 9. Lamarcks angelfish The 140g FOWLR 1. Purple tang 2. Flame hawkfish 3. Harlequin tuskfish 4. Orchid dottyback These are the only fish that would be added to the tanks. I have a 400g in storage but I don't want to set it up until the fish get a little larger and because we may be moving within the next year. I appreciate your assistance.

07/21/2013, 04:08 PM	#6864
RAMMD Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 14	Do you know of any other species that has a hawkish like behavior and appearance but without the affinity to consume all the shrimp in the tank. I had a falco hawkfish in my last reef tank that behaved well but I assume that was a fluke that I don't want to risk. If you know of any I enjoy doing the research on the species. Any help would be appreciated.

07/21/2013, 06:48 PM	#6866
Kessler Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 39	How difficult is the potter's angelfish. Is it because of its feeding habits?

07/21/2013, 06:54 PM	#6867
Dashylock Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 497	want: midas blenny Current tank: 40b lps/softies 80# live rock 20l sump w/live rock + chaeto Current inhabitants: 1 blue tang (removing) 1 platinum clown 2 green chromis 1 spotted mandarin 1 ymg 1 red dragonette what do you think?

07/22/2013, 08:20 AM	#6872
RAMMD Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 14	Is it possible to keep an orchid dottyback and royal gramma in a 220g reef with plenty of live rock, or will they fight since they have similar life cycles (ie habitat, diet...)