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Unread 07/27/2013, 09:19 PM   #6951
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96x24x30 - 300g mixed reef with 50g fuge, 75g sump with a reef octopus XP5000 skimmer, run carbon & gfo through BRS reactors, & run bio pellets. Nitrates always 0.

here is what I currently have:
9 blue/green chromis
1 percula
1 coral beauty
1 blue damsel
1 firefish
1 mandarin
1 diamond goby
1 strawberry Pseudochromis

in QT I HAVE:
1 powder brown juvi
1 regal tang juvi

want to add:
1- desjardini sailfin tang
1- yellow tang
? Maybe a powder blue
1- mystery wrasse
1- leopard wrasse
1- copperbanded butterfly


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First of all, no fish will school in your sized tank; anthias will "shoal" (aggregate to some degree) but some types of anthias require more "attention" and care than others. Mixing fish in a community tank is not a function of coloration it is a behavioral compatibility issue. If you have multiple fish occupying the same ecological niche, you will need a larger tank since their territorial needs will increase as they mature. A single fish in a given ecological niche may be totally nonaggressive whereas more than one or many many have aggressive tendencies. An easy example of this would be tangs and conspecifics. It may be that this thread is not going to fulfill your needs or expectations.
ok, can u tell me max howmany total no. of fishes can i add? average max size of 4-6"


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Unread 07/28/2013, 04:38 AM   #6953
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Hi Steve,

I have a 40gallon tall aquarium connected to a 110 gallon display tank and a 60 gallon sump with refugium, with about 150lbs of live rock total. Right now, the only animal in my 40 gallon is a green mandarin dragonet, that is eating frozen food and pellets!

So I plan on having the following animals in the 40 gallon:

1. Green mandarin dragonet (frozen food-and pellet-trained )

Unfortunately, while it is nice that the dragonet eats frozen, most of them do, that will not be enough to sustain it long term. However, if the attached large aquarium acts as a refugium for production of copepods, it may work if there is not a large population of copepod eaters in the primary tank

2. Tail spot blenny
3. Sharknose goby
4. Coral banded shrimp can take fish

Your thoughts?


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ok, can u tell me max howmany total no. of fishes can i add? average max size of 4-6"
That question is unanswerable. It depends on behavior, aggression level, ecological niche. As I indicated previously, it is likely this thread is the wrong one for you to obtain whatever information you are seeking.


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Unread 07/28/2013, 04:47 AM   #6955
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96x24x30 - 300g mixed reef with 50g fuge, 75g sump with a reef octopus XP5000 skimmer, run carbon & gfo through BRS reactors, & run bio pellets. Nitrates always 0.

here is what I currently have:
9 blue/green chromis over the long term, it is likely these will be reduced to one or two
1 percula
1 coral beauty
1 blue damsel
1 firefish
1 mandarin
1 diamond goby
1 strawberry Pseudochromis

in QT I HAVE:
1 powder brown juvi
1 regal tang juvi

want to add:
1- desjardini sailfin tang
1- yellow tang must be last added
? Maybe a powder blue mixing tangs is always a roll of the dice. The sailfin, once established is likely to take the biggest offense to additions of conspecifics with the yellow being right behind it. Be sure to quarantine effectively since P. hepatus is known to be an ich magnet
1- mystery wrasse may not be compatible with the mandarin
1- leopard wrasse may not be compatible with the mandarin; have have seen it go both ways with intolerance occurring more often than not
1- copperbanded butterfly difficult with the Australian collected giving the greatest chance of success



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Unread 07/28/2013, 07:07 AM   #6956
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My daughter is going to be setting up her own tank. Here is her "wish list" for stocking:

2 ocelleris clownfish -mated pair
1 blue headed wrasse
1 multicolor angel
1 purple tang

Do you think this will be a good mix? She will be getting at least a 100G tank. We like the deeper tanks, but will a 48 x 36 x 27 be okay for the tang? Thanks for your help!


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Unread 07/28/2013, 07:39 AM   #6957
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My daughter is going to be setting up her own tank. Here is her "wish list" for stocking:

2 ocelleris clownfish -mated pair
1 blue headed wrasse
1 multicolor angel
1 purple tang

Do you think this will be a good mix? She will be getting at least a 100G tank. We like the deeper tanks, but will a 48 x 36 x 27 be okay for the tang? Thanks for your help!
Should be fine! Ok for the tang but marginal so do not add any other tangs


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Unread 07/28/2013, 08:10 AM   #6958
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Thank you so much! It is really nice to have peace of mind when planning a new system!


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Thank you so much! It is really nice to have peace of mind when planning a new system!
You are most welcome! That is why we religiously maintain this thread. Good for the aquarist and also good for the animals we keep.


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I do plan to QT all tangs for minimum of 6 weeks. I will only buy a Australian copperbanded butterfly. Aside from the above mentioned, do you think the bioload is ok? As far as what order to add these fish, where in the lineup should the copperbanded butterfly be added? Thank you for your guidance.


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I do plan to QT all tangs for minimum of 6 weeks. I will only buy a Australian copperbanded butterfly. Aside from the above mentioned, do you think the bioload is ok? As far as what order to add these fish, where in the lineup should the copperbanded butterfly be added? Thank you for your guidance.
Bioload capacity adjusts itself as long as there is sufficient live rock for the bacteria to populate. Highly porous rock as opposed to "base rock" is strongly preferred. I always recommend getting the absolutely best live rock possible as it will save money in the longer run. As copperbanded butterfly fish are sensitive to tank mates, I would add as early as possible. In general least aggressive fish should always be added early. Most aggressive fish always last. However, with tangs, once they are established, they can be really aggressive.


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Unread 07/28/2013, 06:24 PM   #6962
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Bioload capacity adjusts itself as long as there is sufficient live rock for the bacteria to populate. Highly porous rock as opposed to "base rock" is strongly preferred. I always recommend getting the absolutely best live rock possible as it will save money in the longer run. As copperbanded butterfly fish are sensitive to tank mates, I would add as early as possible. In general least aggressive fish should always be added early. Most aggressive fish always last. However, with tangs, once they are established, they can be really aggressive.
Thanks Steve. I have over 300lbs of LR that I have had in my systems for 5-6 years. I will look into a copperbanded butterfly purchase soon.


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Unread 07/29/2013, 11:21 AM   #6963
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Mature 55 gallon mixed reef.

Current stock:
Clarkii clownfish
Royal gramma
Azure damsel
Pajama cardinal
Dalmatiom Molly x2

Can I add a Midas blenny?


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Unread 07/29/2013, 12:03 PM   #6964
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Mature 55 gallon mixed reef.

Current stock:
Clarkii clownfish
Royal gramma
Azure damsel
Pajama cardinal
Dalmatiom Molly x2

Can I add a Midas blenny?
Well, there are several behavioral issues: a midas blenny will nip at the fins of water column fish, especially in a smallish tank, the pair of Clarkii clownfish, once sexually mature, and especially when they start breeding, will want to control 30-40 gallons of tank space. And last, but not least, the damsel may not be tolerant.


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Well, there are several behavioral issues: a midas blenny will nip at the fins of water column fish, especially in a smallish tank, the pair of Clarkii clownfish, once sexually mature, and especially when they start breeding, will want to control 30-40 gallons of tank space. And last, but not least, the damsel may not be tolerant.
Thanks for the reply. There's only one clarkii, not a pair, and he is pushing 8 years old so he's long past maturity. Damsel has been gentle so far. Hasn't gotten in a single scrap in the years I've had him, and even ignores the Dalmatian mollies that I just added. No intentions of adding another clarkia either. So the Midas may be the bully of the bunch then?


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Thanks for the reply. There's only one clarkii, not a pair, and he is pushing 8 years old so he's long past maturity. Damsel has been gentle so far. Hasn't gotten in a single scrap in the years I've had him, and even ignores the Dalmatian mollies that I just added. No intentions of adding another clarkia either. So the Midas may be the bully of the bunch then?
Actually the Clarkii is likely a female if that old. With no male, behavior should be moderate to mellow. The Midas will not be a terror, but will likely nip.


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Thanks again. Yeah my clarkii is pretty mellow. Doesn't like the cardinal for whatever reason so she makes sure it doesn't come too close but nothing violent. Otherwise nothing in the tank fights at all ever. Midas blenny has been on my wish list for quite some time. I may give one a try if I can find a good colored one for cheap enough. Just wanted to double check for major red flags.


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Unread 07/29/2013, 02:28 PM   #6968
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90 gallon mixed reef w/ shrimp, zoos, etc.

filtration:
120 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
filter sock (200 micron)
Vertex Omega 150 protein skimmer
10 lbs miracle mud refugium with macros
400mL biopellets in a biochurn reactor

current fish:
green chromis x10

desired fish:
powder blue tang x1
flame angel x1
copperband butterfly x1


I would like to add some rare fish to that list. Should I add all the fish at once?


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90 gallon mixed reef w/ shrimp, zoos, etc.

filtration:
120 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
filter sock (200 micron)
Vertex Omega 150 protein skimmer
10 lbs miracle mud refugium with macros
400mL biopellets in a biochurn reactor

current fish:
green chromis x10 over time, will become one or at most two

desired fish:
powder blue tang x1 needs larger tank
flame angel x1
copperband butterfly x1 difficult; best chance is an Australian collected one


I would like to add some rare fish to that list. Should I add all the fish at once?
You need to develop an appropriate quarantine protocol. The Copperband should be added, after quarantine, early on.


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30 Gallon tall

Just moved to a different state. My 30 gallon tall seems to be surviving. Water chemistry may be cycling slightly. I have a ocellaris clown and a royal gramma that survived the trip and are happy in the 60lbs of live rock. I am interested in your thoughts on adding another clown, hawkfish, firefish, and or six lined wrasse. Which one or ones would make the best active tank? I sold all my coral before the move not knowing if they would survive the trip. My QT tank is just starting to cycle and these additions wouldn't be for a couple months.


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Just moved to a different state. My 30 gallon tall seems to be surviving. Water chemistry may be cycling slightly. I have a ocellaris clown and a royal gramma that survived the trip and are happy in the 60lbs of live rock. I am interested in your thoughts on adding another
clown, assuming the same species, it would have to be a tiny one; once the pair sexually matures, they will want to control 25-30 gallons of tank space
hawkfish, not shrimp safe, but a great fish
firefish, and or easy, but a jumper
six lined wrasse. aggressive, will limit other choices

Which one or ones would make the best active tank? I sold all my coral before the move not knowing if they would survive the trip. My QT tank is just starting to cycle and these additions wouldn't be for a couple months.



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I currently have a 110 and will be upgrading very soon to a 240+ gallon 8ft x 2ft x 2ft FOWLR setup.

Current fish:
Blue face angel (5in adult)
Domino damsel (4in)
Blue velvet damsel (4.5in)
Engineer goby (9in)
Gold stripe maroon clown (3in)
Spotted rabbitfish (4in)
Sohal tang (7in)

I know that my current fish are all in tight quarters but so far they've gotten along (going 6 months).

Now for the 240 gal I plan on adding:

Flame hawk fish
French angelfish
Orange shoulder tang (show sized)
Blonde naso tang

Two large angels in the long run are likely to be problematic; the French especially can be aggressive. A Sohal tang, from my experience, will mature into a very ornery fish. They are fine when small, but there seems to be a point when a switch flips and they become super aggressive. While your new tank is significantly larger than your current one, I am reluctant to indicate that this mix will work long term as the fish mature.

I will be keeping the sohal in QT for a while and will be the absolute last fish to be transferred over.

Thanks in advance for input!

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Thanks for the recommendation.

I revised my list:

Blue faced angel
Potters angel
Desjardini tang
Yellow tang
Blue hippo tang
Blue faced wrasse
Banggai cardinal
Gold striped maroon clown
Vlamingii tang
Sohal tang
Gold spot rabbitfish
Domino damsel
Electric blue damsel
Engineer goby
Harlequin tusk

Is that too many fish for my sized tank?


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I currently have a 110 and will be upgrading very soon to a 240+ gallon 8ft x 2ft x 2ft FOWLR setup.

Current fish:
Blue face angel (5in adult)
Domino damsel (4in)
Blue velvet damsel (4.5in)
Engineer goby (9in)
Gold stripe maroon clown (3in)
Spotted rabbitfish (4in)
Sohal tang (7in)

I know that my current fish are all in tight quarters but so far they've gotten along (going 6 months).

Now for the 240 gal I plan on adding:

Flame hawk fish
French angelfish
Orange shoulder tang (show sized)
Blonde naso tang

Two large angels in the long run are likely to be problematic; the French especially can be aggressive. A Sohal tang, from my experience, will mature into a very ornery fish. They are fine when small, but there seems to be a point when a switch flips and they become super aggressive. While your new tank is significantly larger than your current one, I am reluctant to indicate that this mix will work long term as the fish mature.

I will be keeping the sohal in QT for a while and will be the absolute last fish to be transferred over.

Thanks in advance for input!

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Thanks for the recommendation.

With regards only to the revised list

I revised my list:

Blue faced angel
Potters angel
Desjardini tang
Yellow tang
Blue hippo tang
Blue faced wrasse
Banggai cardinal
Gold striped maroon clown
Vlamingii tang needs a much larger tank
Sohal tang this fish will eventually become mean and kill fish
Gold spot rabbitfish
Domino damsel
Electric blue damsel
Engineer goby
Harlequin tusk

Is that too many fish for my sized tank?
well you have some large aggressive grazers which may mature into a tank that has so many established tangs that you will be unable to add fish; the number of fish is probably ok, however


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58g mixed reef with 20g sump

Bicolor angel
Pair of black occelaris clowns
Lawnmower goby
Exquisite fairy wrasse (just one that I picked for now, but am open to other fairy wrasses)
a couple shrimp

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Bicolor angel
Pair of black occelaris clowns
Lawnmower goby
Exquisite fairy wrasse (just one that I picked for now, but am open to other fairy wrasses)
a couple shrimp

Thanks for your help!
Should be fine but the dwarf angel is a bit difficult


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