Official: Masterflex Calcium Reactor Setup Thread - Page 28

d2mini · 01/21/2015, 03:47 PM

what does that mean?!
And why do i need it?

I already have two identical heads that I was going to use on the AWC digital pump.
They came with the fixed rate pump I'm using for my ATO.

tkeracer619 · 01/21/2015, 03:53 PM

It allows you to adjust the pinch on the tube to compensate for varied head pressure differences or slight differences in the heads due to wear or manufacturing.

d2mini · 01/21/2015, 03:55 PM

oh those little black plastic pinchers.
Yeah, i have those.
Didn't realize they are not on all heads!
So yeah... i need one of those!

tkeracer619 · 01/21/2015, 03:57 PM

The little black pinchers are on all of the easy loads. Those just hold the tube in place. This is the pinch between the rollers and the rolling surface.

tkeracer619 · 01/21/2015, 04:02 PM

They come around but yea you aren't going to get lucky like that steal of a deal you got on your top off pump

.

The knob on top adjusts it.

Or a knob on the side with an adjustment window on top

d2mini · 01/21/2015, 04:27 PM

mine don't look like those.
Mine have a black square tab on each side that slides up and down and the part that pinches the tube is like a little cube shape with an upside down V cut out of it.

tkeracer619 · 01/21/2015, 04:47 PM

The part you are describing has nothing to do with what I am describing. All easyload heads have them. They keep the tubing from being pulled through the head

You only need one adjustable occlusion head for your water changer. This adjusts how tight the rollers squeeze the tube and therefor how much head pressure they can deliver.

d2mini · 01/21/2015, 04:59 PM

ah, i see now.

So why would I need only one of these occlusion heads?
And why wouldn't the other heads work for this application?

tkeracer619 · 01/21/2015, 05:02 PM

They will work but if you have any differences they won't be balanced. You put the adjustable one on the line with the higher head pressure to balance them.

If it is a short run and both runs are equal distance you may not need it but it would suck to need it and not have it. You can use a needle valve to balance them as well but that sucks compared to having an adjustable head.

zachts · 01/21/2015, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

ah, i see now.

So why would I need only one of these occlusion heads?
And why wouldn't the other heads work for this application?

If you use the two easy load heads for you AWC then just pic up a standard L/S 17 fixed head (the clear ones) for your ATO, the fixed heads can be had for around $30 bucks or so usually on ebay and will work fine for the ATO pump.

d2mini · 01/21/2015, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkeracer619

They will work but if you have any differences they won't be balanced. You put the adjustable one on the line with the higher head pressure to balance them.

If it is a short run and both runs are equal distance you may not need it but it would suck to need it and not have it. You can use a needle valve to balance them as well but that sucks compared to having an adjustable head.

Ah-ha! That would be handy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachts

If you use the two easy load heads for you AWC then just pic up a standard L/S 17 fixed head (the clear ones) for your ATO, the fixed heads can be had for around $30 bucks or so usually on ebay and will work fine for the ATO pump.

Oh man, good point!
Except to tkeracer's point, my head pulling out old saltwater and pushing it to the drain is going to be a lot longer than the other. Darn!

zachts · 01/21/2015, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

Oh man, good point!
Except to tkeracer's point, my head pulling out old saltwater and pushing it to the drain is going to be a lot longer than the other. Darn!

Yeah, but don't you already own two adjustable easy load heads? use those two for AWC and buy a second head for AWC. assuming that head would be on a different drive controlled by your ATO.......ATO or to the point of this thread....CA reactor won't work on the same drive as your AWC.......

d2mini · 01/22/2015, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by zachts

Yeah, but don't you already own two adjustable easy load heads? use those two for AWC and buy a second head for AWC. assuming that head would be on a different drive controlled by your ATO.......ATO or to the point of this thread....CA reactor won't work on the same drive as your AWC.......

Yes, i already own two identical heads that I was planning to use for the AWC.
They just don't have the adjustment knob, which now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if I need based on the two completely different runs of tubing.

So yes, I could get the cheap head for the ATO, just unsure how the AWC will pan out with the current heads.

I have 3 separate drives. One for CaRx, one for ATO (Fixed rate), and one for AWC.

Theokie · 01/22/2015, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

Yes, i already own two identical heads that I was planning to use for the AWC.
They just don't have the adjustment knob, which now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if I need based on the two completely different runs of tubing.

So yes, I could get the cheap head for the ATO, just unsure how the AWC will pan out with the current heads.

I have 3 separate drives. One for CaRx, one for ATO (Fixed rate), and one for AWC.

That is how I have mine set up, though on the water change side, I use one pump to fill, and the second dual head to drain from my SPS system, move to my LPS system and then Drain from my LPS system. I lucked out and my tubing runs are only about 2 ft different in length so I haven't noticed much difference, but I do have the adjustable units on the larger I/P range of pumps

zachts · 01/22/2015, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

Yes, i already own two identical heads that I was planning to use for the AWC.
They just don't have the adjustment knob, which now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if I need based on the two completely different runs of tubing.

So yes, I could get the cheap head for the ATO, just unsure how the AWC will pan out with the current heads.

I have 3 separate drives. One for CaRx, one for ATO (Fixed rate), and one for AWC.

It will probably work out fine for AWC. I use three standard fixed (clear type) heads for a three way water change and they are more than accurate enough. Two are dead on and one pumps just a tiny amount faster which I like to allow for adding a little more to the display to account for water removed by the skimmer. Only way to know for sure is to set it up.

Dapg8gt · 01/24/2015, 01:58 AM

Are all the Cole parmer heads interchangeable? Like heads from a compact will fit on the others and vise versa? If it says accepts standard and easy load heads like the link posted for the new compact on the first page can I basically get any head offered on eBay? Or would I need a certain one?

zachts · 01/24/2015, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dapg8gt

Are all the Cole parmer heads interchangeable? Like heads from a compact will fit on the others and vise versa? If it says accepts standard and easy load heads like the link posted for the new compact on the first page can I basically get any head offered on eBay? Or would I need a certain one?

If it accepts standard and easy load you can use standard and easy load.

Dapg8gt · 01/24/2015, 10:39 AM

QUOTE=zachts;23442200]If it accepts standard and easy load you can use standard and easy load.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I gathered that much already, I guess I should have worded it differently it was late when I wrote it.

The standard heads are the clear ones correct? I guess what I'm asking is with what is written below What standard head should I get to use all the linked items on the first page for L/S 17 tubing? Does the note to only use silicone or "C Flex" tubing in L/S 17 mean anything? Can I get this for example ? I'm thinking it will be fine. Does it matter that it says quick load vs easy load and does not have an L/S in the head name?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/231151263970?nav=SEARCH

I'm going to start with a cheaper head at first before spending $150+ on an easy load since I barely paid that much for 2x new compact units. I'll get one eventually I'm sure but for now I've got other things that I can spend the extra $100 on.

This is what is written..

Drive accepts two different pump head types: Standard and Easy-Load®.
Compact drives are a perfect upgrade from a Masterflex® C/L® tubing pump. Ideal for when you need to pump fluid at a higher rate, but space is limited in your lab.
Use these drives with L/S® precision pump tubing in sizes L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17. Only silicone and C-Flex® tubing formulations are recommended for L/S® 17 and L/S® 25 size tubing

zachts · 01/24/2015, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dapg8gt

The standard heads are the clear ones correct? I guess what I'm asking is with what is written below What standard head should I get to use all the linked items on the first page for L/S 17 tubing? Does the note to only use silicone or "C Flex" tubing in L/S 17 mean anything? Can I get this for example ? I'm thinking it will be fine. Does it matter that it says quick load vs easy load and does not have an L/S in the head name?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/231151263970?nav=SEARCH

I'm going to start with a cheaper head at first before spending $150+ on an easy load since I barely paid that much for 2x new compact units. I'll get one eventually I'm sure but for now I've got other things that I can spend the extra $100 on.

This is what is written..

Drive accepts two different pump head types: Standard and Easy-Load®.
Compact drives are a perfect upgrade from a Masterflex® C/L® tubing pump. Ideal for when you need to pump fluid at a higher rate, but space is limited in your lab.
Use these drives with L/S® precision pump tubing in sizes L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17. Only silicone and C-Flex® tubing formulations are recommended for L/S® 17 and L/S® 25 size tubing

The quickload uses the same bolt pattern as the standard head. and yes they are the clear ones though they also come in black.

My suspicion on the recommendation to only use silicon tube with the drive is that it is a lower torque motor and might not have the power for the more ridged pharmed or norprene tubing in the larger LS 17 size. So you'd have to change out tubing much more often.

alternatively depending on the drive speed you probably would have ample flow rate if you went with LS 16 tubing (roughly 1/8" ID x 1/4" OD) (I use this on my pump heads for various applications including AWC. just needs a different combo of adapters also avalable at US Plastics.

Do you have a link to the drives or a model number?

Dapg8gt · 01/24/2015, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachts

The quickload uses the same bolt pattern as the standard head. and yes they are the clear ones though they also come in black.

My suspicion on the recommendation to only use silicon tube with the drive is that it is a lower torque motor and might not have the power for the more ridged pharmed or norprene tubing in the larger LS 17 size. So you'd have to change out tubing much more often.

alternatively depending on the drive speed you probably would have ample flow rate if you went with LS 16 tubing (roughly 1/8" ID x 1/4" OD) (I use this on my pump heads for various applications including AWC. just needs a different combo of adapters also avalable at US Plastics.

Do you have a link to the drives or a model number?

Yeah I ended up grabbing two of these..

http://www.coleparmer.com/Product/Ma...AC/EW-77200-20.

I think that's where I was confused is most of the used standard pump heads on eBay don't lIst a size tubing they accept but knowing what the O. D. Is of the different tubes will help me out. knowing the bolt pattern is the same I think I'm going to swoop that quick load head up now since it will be easier to do the swaps of the tubing especially if I have to do it more often if I need to use the precise tubing and it's only like $40 . It also lists on CP site that it accepts a wider range of tubing. Appreciate the assistance.

zachts · 01/24/2015, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dapg8gt

Yeah I ended up grabbing two of these..

http://www.coleparmer.com/Product/Ma...AC/EW-77200-20.

I think that's where I was confused is most of the used standard pump heads on eBay don't lIst a size tubing they accept but knowing what the O. D. Is of the different tubes will help me out. knowing the bolt pattern is the same I think I'm going to swoop that quick load head up now since it will be easier to do the swaps of the tubing especially if I have to do it more often if I need to use the precise tubing and it's only like $40 . It also lists on CP site that it accepts a wider range of tubing. Appreciate the assistance.

Ok, that's kind of what I thought. it's only designed for a single pump head. Most of the larger drives people are using can run multiple heads so tubing type isn't an issue.

If you want to use the pharmed longer life tubing go with the LS 16 size. which should give you adjustable flow between 28 and 160ml/min with the drive speed of 35-200rmp.

LS 17 tubing would give you flow between 98 and 560ml/min. which might be too fast at the lowest speed for CA reactor since it seems most are running around 30-60ml/min it seems.

It's too bad those drives don't go all the way down to 1 rpm.

Just google the part number for ebay pump heads to find what tubing they use.

The quick load head takes both sizes of tubing, and a few others. So if 28ml/min is still too much you could use a smaller yet tubing size if needed.

Dapg8gt · 01/24/2015, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachts

Ok, that's kind of what I thought. it's only designed for a single pump head. Most of the larger drives people are using can run multiple heads so tubing type isn't an issue.

If you want to use the pharmed longer life tubing go with the LS 16 size. which should give you adjustable flow between 28 and 160ml/min with the drive speed of 35-200rmp.

LS 17 tubing would give you flow between 98 and 560ml/min. which might be too fast at the lowest speed for CA reactor since it seems most are running around 30-60ml/min it seems.

It's too bad those drives don't go all the way down to 1 rpm.

Just google the part number for ebay pump heads to find what tubing they use.

The quick load head takes both sizes of tubing, and a few others. So if 28ml/min is still too much you could use a smaller yet tubing size if needed.

Awesome thanks for the help I think 16 should do it for me as my tank is consuming some serious 2 part so I don't think I'll have an issue with the higher effluent rate.

I've been slowly grasping what I need to get and between building my dual stage and randomly finding these pumps for a killer deal I'm on overload of info. I also have a quote in for a easy load head that accepts only 2 hose sizes so the info you provided is very much helpful..

Thanks again.

tkeracer619 · 01/25/2015, 10:19 AM

The heads that only accept 2 sizes are likely ls15 and 24. Hard to get tube for.

You really want to aim for the precision sizes (L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17.)

Dapg8gt · 01/25/2015, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkeracer619

The heads that only accept 2 sizes are likely ls15 and 24. Hard to get tube for.

You really want to aim for the precision sizes (L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17.)

OK that is exactly the sizes it so takes so ill pass on the easy load head.

I'll focus on these quick load heads that are the older clear models for now . Have you any experience with them? Seems like to swap the tube I would just need to take out two of the four screws, seems easy enough for me to save the money.

Is the reason for the easy load heads being preferable just due to the ease of swapping tube or is it just a better performing head?

tkeracer619 · 01/25/2015, 12:17 PM

They perform the same. It is indeed the ease of swapping the tube.

01/21/2015, 03:47 PM	#676
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	what does that mean?! And why do i need it? I already have two identical heads that I was going to use on the AWC digital pump. They came with the fixed rate pump I'm using for my ATO. __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

01/21/2015, 03:53 PM	#677
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	It allows you to adjust the pinch on the tube to compensate for varied head pressure differences or slight differences in the heads due to wear or manufacturing. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/21/2015, 03:55 PM	#678
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	oh those little black plastic pinchers. Yeah, i have those. Didn't realize they are not on all heads! So yeah... i need one of those! __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

01/21/2015, 03:57 PM	#679
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	The little black pinchers are on all of the easy loads. Those just hold the tube in place. This is the pinch between the rollers and the rolling surface. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/21/2015, 04:02 PM	#680
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	They come around but yea you aren't going to get lucky like that steal of a deal you got on your top off pump . The knob on top adjusts it. Or a knob on the side with an adjustment window on top __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/21/2015, 04:27 PM	#681
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	mine don't look like those. Mine have a black square tab on each side that slides up and down and the part that pinches the tube is like a little cube shape with an upside down V cut out of it. __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

01/21/2015, 04:47 PM	#682
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	The part you are describing has nothing to do with what I am describing. All easyload heads have them. They keep the tubing from being pulled through the head You only need one adjustable occlusion head for your water changer. This adjusts how tight the rollers squeeze the tube and therefor how much head pressure they can deliver. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/21/2015, 04:59 PM	#683
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	ah, i see now. So why would I need only one of these occlusion heads? And why wouldn't the other heads work for this application? __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

01/21/2015, 05:02 PM	#684
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	They will work but if you have any differences they won't be balanced. You put the adjustable one on the line with the higher head pressure to balance them. If it is a short run and both runs are equal distance you may not need it but it would suck to need it and not have it. You can use a needle valve to balance them as well but that sucks compared to having an adjustable head. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/24/2015, 01:58 AM	#691
Dapg8gt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pacifica Posts: 3,741	Are all the Cole parmer heads interchangeable? Like heads from a compact will fit on the others and vise versa? If it says accepts standard and easy load heads like the link posted for the new compact on the first page can I basically get any head offered on eBay? Or would I need a certain one? __________________ 15 years in the hobby yet still learning every day. 280g radium lit sps flat living in my garage rent free. Current Tank Info: 105g SPS dominant euro braced powered by 4 ecotech pumps and lit by an ATI powermodule controlled by a reef angel =).

01/24/2015, 10:39 AM	#693
Dapg8gt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Pacifica Posts: 3,741	QUOTE=zachts;23442200]If it accepts standard and easy load you can use standard and easy load.[/QUOTE] Yeah I gathered that much already, I guess I should have worded it differently it was late when I wrote it. The standard heads are the clear ones correct? I guess what I'm asking is with what is written below What standard head should I get to use all the linked items on the first page for L/S 17 tubing? Does the note to only use silicone or "C Flex" tubing in L/S 17 mean anything? Can I get this for example ? I'm thinking it will be fine. Does it matter that it says quick load vs easy load and does not have an L/S in the head name? http://m.ebay.com/itm/231151263970?nav=SEARCH I'm going to start with a cheaper head at first before spending $150+ on an easy load since I barely paid that much for 2x new compact units. I'll get one eventually I'm sure but for now I've got other things that I can spend the extra $100 on. This is what is written.. Drive accepts two different pump head types: Standard and Easy-Load®. Compact drives are a perfect upgrade from a Masterflex® C/L® tubing pump. Ideal for when you need to pump fluid at a higher rate, but space is limited in your lab. Use these drives with L/S® precision pump tubing in sizes L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17. Only silicone and C-Flex® tubing formulations are recommended for L/S® 17 and L/S® 25 size tubing __________________ 15 years in the hobby yet still learning every day. 280g radium lit sps flat living in my garage rent free. Current Tank Info: 105g SPS dominant euro braced powered by 4 ecotech pumps and lit by an ATI powermodule controlled by a reef angel =). Last edited by Dapg8gt; 01/24/2015 at 10:52 AM.

01/25/2015, 10:19 AM	#698
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	The heads that only accept 2 sizes are likely ls15 and 24. Hard to get tube for. You really want to aim for the precision sizes (L/S® 13, L/S® 14, L/S® 16, L/S® 25, L/S® 17.) __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.

01/25/2015, 12:17 PM	#700
tkeracer619 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 17,289	They perform the same. It is indeed the ease of swapping the tube. __________________ Hobby Experience: 9200ish gallons, 26 skimmers, and a handful of Kent Scrapers. Current Tank: Vortech Powered 600G SPS Tank w/ 100gal frag tank & 100g Sump. RK2-RK10 Skimmer. ReefAngel. Radium 20k.