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[snorvich]

Originally Posted by apolloreef

30g mixed reef:

-tank bred ocellaris or perc pair
-Pygmy/cherub angelfish
-mccosker, carpenter flasher, Or red longfin fairy wrasse (3" reef safe varieties)
-bangaii cardinal (maybe)
-blue spotted yellow watchman goby + shrimp friend
-bicolor or tailspot blenny

Slightly crammed, so I am making sure to supply caves and open swimming space and trying to limit those that fill the same niche/areas of the tank. Any advice on addition order?

A bit too many fish for this sized tank; I would limit the number of fish to 5 or 6. Also the fairy or flasher wrasse require a larger tank.

[karasuyukito]

I've unfortunately had to downgrade my 29 gallon to a 20 long. Thankfully, I hadn't fully stocked it yet, but now I'm wondering if I can still have all the same fish I originally planned, or if I need to cut my list short. (The 29 was a used tank and sprung a leak. Tried to fix it unsuccessfully.)

This was the original list you had approved. "2 Ocellaris, 1 Firefish, 1 Hifin Red Banded Goby" added in that order. I currently only have the 2 Oc. at the moment. My husband has a 10 gallon nano set up where they're temporarily residing until I get my 20 set up and cycled. I still have my quarantine tank also.

Since the Oc. are now separate from my future DT, can I still have all four fish, maybe now if I stock them in a different order? Or do I have to skip either the Firefish or the Hifin?

Also, my husband now has a 10 gallon that he would like to stock once I get my Clowns out of it.

Wheeler's Watchman Goby or a Yellow Watchman Goby
Pistol Shrimp (He's looking for the symbiotic relationship pair.)
Tailspot Blenny

Could this combo work for him, or is he overstocking the tank?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by karasuyukito

I've unfortunately had to downgrade my 29 gallon to a 20 long. Thankfully, I hadn't fully stocked it yet, but now I'm wondering if I can still have all the same fish I originally planned, or if I need to cut my list short. (The 29 was a used tank and sprung a leak. Tried to fix it unsuccessfully.)

This was the original list you had approved. "2 Ocellaris, 1 Firefish, 1 Hifin Red Banded Goby" added in that order. I currently only have the 2 Oc. at the moment. My husband has a 10 gallon nano set up where they're temporarily residing until I get my 20 set up and cycled. I still have my quarantine tank also.

Since the Oc. are now separate from my future DT, can I still have all four fish, maybe now if I stock them in a different order? Or do I have to skip either the Firefish or the Hifin?

Also, my husband now has a 10 gallon that he would like to stock once I get my Clowns out of it.

Wheeler's Watchman Goby or a Yellow Watchman Goby
Pistol Shrimp (He's looking for the symbiotic relationship pair.)
Tailspot Blenny

Could this combo work for him, or is he overstocking the tank?

The problem is that clownfish of that species once sexually mature, will want to control about 25 gallons of tank space. Since they will feel cramped in the new confines, I would limit any companions only to the watchman goby and pistol shrimp which will not occupy the same ecological niche as the clownfish.

[nanoreefer1000]

3rd 1 Ocean reefs and aquariums Hybrid Cleaner Goby (E. oceanops x figaro)
3rd 1 Ocean Reefs and Aquariums Red Head Goby (E. puncticulatus)
2nd 1 Ocean Reefs and Aquariums Tiger Goby (E. macrodon)
2nd 1 Green Clown Goby (G. atrangulatus)
1st 1 Hi Fin red banded goby (S. nematodes)
5th 1 Blue Stripe Pipefish (D. excisus)
4th 1 ORA Smith’s Blenny (M. smithi)
Tank is 24 x 12 x 18.5 approx 24g
with a 20 x 10 x 18.5 display fuge approx 17g
mixed reef
I may run some carbon or GFO in case of nutrient problems, water clarity, or coral warfare
The pipefish will be by itself in the fuge, i'm worried that it won't have enough swimming space.... I know of their feeding requirements and I will restock pods every once and a while and make sure the pipefish is eating a variety of prepared
The 1st goby will go in at 2 months, the 2nd batch of gobies will be added at the 4th month, the 3nd batch at 6, the blenny at 8, the pipefish at either 12 or 18.
The aquascape will allow the gobies to have ample territory.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by nanoreefer1000

3rd 1 Ocean reefs and aquariums Hybrid Cleaner Goby (E. oceanops x figaro) while these are hybrids, if they are similar to the primary species, will have a short life span and may not tolerate conspecifics
3rd 1 Ocean Reefs and Aquariums Red Head Goby (E. puncticulatus)
2nd 1 Ocean Reefs and Aquariums Tiger Goby (E. macrodon)
2nd 1 Green Clown Goby (G. atrangulatus)
1st 1 Hi Fin red banded goby (S. nematodes)
5th 1 Blue Stripe Pipefish (D. excisus)
4th 1 ORA Smith’s Blenny (M. smithi)
Tank is 24 x 12 x 18.5 approx 24g
with a 20 x 10 x 18.5 display fuge approx 17g
mixed reef
I may run some carbon or GFO in case of nutrient problems, water clarity, or coral warfare

While the pipefish should do well in the refugium, it should do fine in the primary tank

The pipefish will be by itself in the fuge, i'm worried that it won't have enough swimming space.... I know of their feeding requirements and I will restock pods every once and a while and make sure the pipefish is eating a variety of prepared

nutramar ova is usually good, creating "pod piles" will also help.

The 1st goby will go in at 2 months, the 2nd batch of gobies will be added at the 4th month, the 3nd batch at 6, the blenny at 8, the pipefish at either 12 or 18.
The aquascape will allow the gobies to have ample territory.

generally, a good plan; my only concern is that some gobies do not do well with conspecifics, but your tank size, and appropriate aquascaping my obviate that issue

[karasuyukito]

Originally Posted by snorvich

The problem is that clownfish of that species once sexually mature, will want to control about 25 gallons of tank space. Since they will feel cramped in the new confines, I would limit any companions only to the watchman goby and pistol shrimp which will not occupy the same ecological niche as the clownfish.

Whoops, I seem to have confused you. I'm sorry, but in my post I was referring to two separate tanks. The clowns are only in the 10 gallon until the new 20 has been fully cycled, then they will be moved back. At that point, I will start my preferred stocking for the 10 gallon. Lemme see if I can rephrase my original question better.

20 gallon:
2 Oc. Clowns

Can I still add:
1 Firefish
1 Hifin Banded Goby

If I can still add one of those or both, which can it be and it what order? It is possible for me to add either goby first before the clowns if need be since I have extra tanks to keep them in until the gobie/s are settled.

For the 10 gallon (which, in the end there will be no clowns, lol), I was wondering if the following list would be overstocking it or not:
Wheelers Watchmen Goby
Pistol Shrimp
Tailspot Blenny

[Hzuiel]

20 high, about 32lbs live rock, shallow sand bed.

Current inhabitants:
Ocellaris Clown pair
Banded Coral Shrimp
2 tiger trochus snails
1 astrea snail
3 hermit crabs
2 nassarius snails if they haven't been eaten(haven't seen them since they were put in)

Proposed additions: either one, or both?
Wheelers Shrimp Goby
Orange Stripe Prawn Goby

I picked these two gobies because they both seem to have a reputation for being non-aggressive.

It is possible the Banded Coral Shrimp could be banished to the refugium if it makes stocking easier, but thus far he is entirely non-aggresive toward his fish tank mates. Doesn't even posture up at them anymore, just ignores them.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by karasuyukito

Whoops, I seem to have confused you. I'm sorry, but in my post I was referring to two separate tanks. The clowns are only in the 10 gallon until the new 20 has been fully cycled, then they will be moved back. At that point, I will start my preferred stocking for the 10 gallon. Lemme see if I can rephrase my original question better.

20 gallon:
2 Oc. Clowns

No, no confusion on my part. Those clownfish will want to control 25 gallons once sexually mature and you only ave 20 gallons so they will feel cramped and will not allow other water column fish. They may tolerate a watchman goby/or hifin banded goby and pistol shrimp combination.

Can I still add:
1 Firefish
1 Hifin Banded Goby

If I can still add one of those or both, which can it be and it what order? It is possible for me to add either goby first before the clowns if need be since I have extra tanks to keep them in until the gobie/s are settled.

For the 10 gallon (which, in the end there will be no clowns, lol), I was wondering if the following list would be overstocking it or not:
Wheelers Watchmen Goby
Pistol Shrimp
Tailspot Blenny

In the ten gallon, a watchman goby and pistol shrimp will do fine.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Hzuiel

20 high, about 32lbs live rock, shallow sand bed.

Current inhabitants:
Ocellaris Clown pair
Banded Coral Shrimp can take fish
2 tiger trochus snails
1 astrea snail
3 hermit crabs
2 nassarius snails if they haven't been eaten(haven't seen them since they were put in)

Proposed additions: either one, or both?
Wheelers Shrimp Goby 20 gallons is marginal for clownfish once mature, but one shrimp goby may be acceptable
Orange Stripe Prawn Goby

I picked these two gobies because they both seem to have a reputation for being non-aggressive.

It is possible the Banded Coral Shrimp could be banished to the refugium if it makes stocking easier, but thus far he is entirely non-aggresive toward his fish tank mates. Doesn't even posture up at them anymore, just ignores them.

[FsuNole]

How much space would 2 paired clowns take up vs 1 clown? Just wondering if they'll try to dominate a ton of space. I'm looking at 2-3 firefish, royal gramma basslet, red mandarin, a lepard wrasse and a whipfin fairy wrasse. May get a few Blue/Green Reef Chromis as well.

58 gallon DT, 20 gallon sump

This is my tank. All rock is bonded and I have probably 6-8 caves built into the rocks.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by FsuNole

How much space would 2 paired clowns take up vs 1 clown?

It does not work that way. First, it depends on species of clownfish. Least aggressive such A. ocellaris will want to control about 25-30 gallons when a pair is sexually mature. A single one will become female over time but will be less aggressive since there is no bonding or mating. Most aggressive, e.g. a Gold Stripe Maroon clown, will want to control about 50-gallons.


Just wondering if they'll try to dominate a ton of space. I'm looking at 2-3 firefish,

Unless a bonded male plus female pair, multiple firefish will become one firefish over time. Also, be aware, they are prolific jumpers.

royal gramma basslet, red mandarin, a lepard wrasse and a whipfin fairy wrasse. May get a few Blue/Green Reef Chromis as well. Your tank is not large enough for a mandarin (without exceptional efforts) and for sure cannot sustain a mandarin and a leopard wrasse which compete for copepods with the leopard wrasse always going to win. Reef Chromis over time will become one as they winnow down their number.

58 gallon DT, 20 gallon sump

This is my tank. All rock is bonded and I have probably 6-8 caves built into the rocks.

[Hzuiel]

The coral banded really hasn't bothered the fish so far, lets say I put him in the refugium, or find him a new loving home somewhere.....How about this amended list.

Ocellaris clown pair
1 wheeler's shrimp goby
2 sexy anenome shrimp
1 peppermint/candy cane shrimp
1 pom pom crab

Oh and the existing 3 snails and 3 hermits.

There are corals in the tank too.

[donkeys4hire]

60g cube, mixed reef. Current fish green coris wrasse, female lyretail anthias. Want to add a fox face. Is this ok?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Hzuiel

The coral banded really hasn't bothered the fish so far,

Your choice

lets say I put him in the refugium, or find him a new loving home somewhere.....How about this amended list.

Since I do thousands of these, can you refresh my memory of tank size and total stocking list?

Ocellaris clown pair
1 wheeler's shrimp goby
2 sexy anenome shrimp
1 peppermint/candy cane shrimp
1 pom pom crab

Oh and the existing 3 snails and 3 hermits.

There are corals in the tank too.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by donkeys4hire

60g cube, mixed reef. Current fish green coris wrasse, female lyretail anthias. Want to add a fox face. Is this ok?

Really needs a larger tank . . .

[Hzuiel]

Originally Posted by snorvich

Since I do thousands of these, can you refresh my memory of tank size and total stocking list?

Sorry, I have a 20 gallon high reef. 32lb live rock, shallow sand bed.

If I remove the (existing) banded coral shrimp, revised stocking list.

(Existing) Assorted coral, list likely to change, current still living corals are pink pulsing xenia, green star polyp, torch, a very badly deteriorated candy cane(i think) and a pekid hammer coral.
(Existing) Ocellaris clown pair
(Existing) 3 snails(5 if the 2 nassarius are still alive in there somewhere.)
(Existing) 3 hermits(or 2, hard to tell, never see more than 2 at a time)
1 wheeler's shrimp goby
2 sexy anenome shrimp
1 peppermint/candy cane shrimp
1 pom pom crab

I'm also looking to see opinions of whether these new critters will do a very good job cleaning. I can't tell how much actual cleaning the banded coral shrimp is currently doing.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Hzuiel

Sorry, I have a 20 gallon high reef. 32lb live rock, shallow sand bed.

If I remove the (existing) banded coral shrimp, revised stocking list.

(Existing) Assorted coral, list likely to change, current still living corals are pink pulsing xenia, green star polyp, torch, a very badly deteriorated candy cane(i think) and a pekid hammer coral.
(Existing) Ocellaris clown pair
(Existing) 3 snails(5 if the 2 nassarius are still alive in there somewhere.)
(Existing) 3 hermits(or 2, hard to tell, never see more than 2 at a time)
1 wheeler's shrimp goby
2 sexy anenome shrimp
1 peppermint/candy cane shrimp
1 pom pom crab

A bonded and mating clownfish pair of that species will want to control about 25 gallons of tank space, of which you are a bit short. So definitely no water column fish. The shrimp goby may do ok.

I'm also looking to see opinions of whether these new critters will do a very good job cleaning. I can't tell how much actual cleaning the banded coral shrimp is currently doing.

While a CBS is a good scavenger, it is not a very good cleaner. The other critters will do a much better job.

[karasuyukito]

Originally Posted by snorvich

In the ten gallon, a watchman goby and pistol shrimp will do fine.

Sweet, I'm no longer confused and will follow all your advice. Thank you so much!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by karasuyukito

Sweet, I'm no longer confused and will follow all your advice. Thank you so much!

No problem. Enjoy.

[FsuNole]

Ok, so I'm going to get my first fish today or tomorrow . I'm going to see what the lfs has but I'm thinking of an ocellaris clown and a firefish. Would these be good to start with? 58 gallon tank. Also how do I introduce them into the tank? I put the bag in the tank for temp then I need to drip aclimate them for how long? If I don't have a tube to drip can I pour water in the bag slowly?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by FsuNole

Ok, so I'm going to get my first fish today or tomorrow . I'm going to see what the lfs has but I'm thinking of an ocellaris clown and a firefish. Would these be good to start with? 58 gallon tank. Also how do I introduce them into the tank? I put the bag in the tank for temp then I need to drip aclimate them for how long? If I don't have a tube to drip can I pour water in the bag slowly?

In order to say if those are good choices, I would have to know your entire stocking plan in order to say if all are compatible. This thread is ONLY about marine fish compatibility, so a separate thread in New to the Hobby will provide lots of information about acclimation, quarantine, etc.

[wesside]

Red Velvet Fairy Wrasse
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby
Fireball Angel
Yellowhead Jawfish
False Percula
Royal Gramma Basslet

Could I swap out any Wrasse for the Red Velvet (e.g. Six Line, Mystery, etc.)?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by wesside

Red Velvet Fairy Wrasse
Hi Fin Red Banded Goby
Fireball Angel
Yellowhead Jawfish
False Percula
Royal Gramma Basslet

Fine. You need a closed top for the jawfish and wrasse (1/4 inch mesh)

Could I swap out any Wrasse for the Red Velvet (e.g. Six Line, Mystery, etc.)? The swap has different behavioral characteristics in that sixlines and mystery and are much more aggressive.

[wesside]

Any suggestions on swapping out the red velvet fairy? I'm not having too much luck finding one locally, or is it pretty safe to get one shipped from somewhere like www.liveaquaria.com?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by wesside

Any suggestions on swapping out the red velvet fairy? I'm not having too much luck finding one locally, or is it pretty safe to get one shipped from somewhere like www.liveaquaria.com?

Live Aquaria is excellent. Obviously, no matter what the source, all should be quarantined.