SPS pests and treatment options - Page 3

doca · 01/04/2010, 08:22 AM

camel schirmp its a good option for AEFW, but once their works ends, one need to get it out of the tank....

LooseHip · 01/07/2010, 01:30 AM

I am sure this has been answered, but do AEFW's affect only smooth skinned acropora, or can the also affect other sps such as pocillipora, and millepora?

eros · 01/07/2010, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by doca

i cant believe my eyes.....

2 hobbyist, 2 tanks, both with tons of redbugs...suddenly, in 1 nigth, no more redbugs....

only thing in common???....both in the same city, in the same neighborhood...and a very cold nigth, with 70 F degrees or less in both tanks...

no other thing has changed...but we both are pretty sure thats no more adult redbugs at least by now (the eggs could be alive)...

its very possible...finally, are only bad copepods....what do u think????

Put me down as one more who's experienced this. I did a tank transfer from Central California to Reno, Nevada(in the snow). My rock was in a trailer and probably got down to around 50 degrees or less. My corals were in insulated containers but still were pretty cold after the 3 hour car ride. I planned on treating for redbugs after the tank transfer so I could separate my inverts like my cleaner shrimp. I've looked very closely and even the most infected corals I had have absolutely no redbugs anymore. Before I could see them with my naked eye, I've tried looking at them under a powerful magnifying glass and I don't see anything. I'm still going to keep an eye out and won't be surprised if they pop up again but for now I'm not going to treat my tank.

chingchai · 01/07/2010, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LooseHip

I am sure this has been answered, but do AEFW's affect only smooth skinned acropora, or can the also affect other sps such as pocillipora, and millepora?

only smooth skinned acropora.

chingchai · 01/07/2010, 08:29 AM

Great thread.
Thank you guys.

Dejavu · 01/07/2010, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LooseHip

I am sure this has been answered, but do AEFW's affect only smooth skinned acropora, or can the also affect other sps such as pocillipora, and millepora?

they will affect all arcos and arcos only. millies where some of the first that were affected when i had them.

mpoletti · 01/07/2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LooseHip

I am sure this has been answered, but do AEFW's affect only smooth skinned acropora, or can the also affect other sps such as pocillipora, and millepora?

Quote:

Originally Posted by chingchai

only smooth skinned acropora.

This is not true, as Brian mentioned, I have found AEFW on milleporas and prostrats in the past. I have never had a pocillipora so I can not confirm or deny that one.

Dejavu · 01/07/2010, 10:00 AM

When i treated, I removed acros and acros only. I left all other sps in the display. It been 5 yrs and no AEFW in sight. I have confidence that they only affect acros.

cich4fish · 01/08/2010, 03:12 PM

What will happen to my clams if I dose my tank with interceptor?

Eric

mpoletti · 01/08/2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cich4fish

What will happen to my clams if I dose my tank with interceptor?

Eric

Nothing. They will be fine.

cich4fish · 01/08/2010, 05:41 PM

Thanks.

TheGreekReefer · 01/16/2010, 08:05 AM

I would like to add the Eunicid Worm as a sps pest. This guy was eating my expensive acros

TheGreekReefer · 01/16/2010, 08:07 AM

I got mine out yesterday. Traps do not work. Steve Weast from the Oregon Reef told me traps are a waste of time. Steve pulled two worms out of his tank, one was 5ft and the other 7ft. OMG He told me there tail usually doesn't leave the burrow. Only way to remove it is to find the rock it burrows in and remove the rock. Thank you Steve. I know it sucks but trust me well worth it. These worms can grow very large, mine started eating expensive acros. Not cool. We as reefers put all this time, energy, and money into creating an environment that will support these beatiful acropora not create gourmet meals for a worm.

Here is how you do it. Stake out the tank at night with a red flash light. I used a red flashlight and a couple of clip-on desk lamps with red bulbs in them. Light the tank up nice and good. It took me several nights to find its home. Be patient.

Now do what you have to do to get the rock out. Me I had to cut coral that had fused the rock in place. Pull the rock out, please use gloves, us a syringe and inject Club Soda into it's lair. LeslieH works at The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles. She is an expert in worms you can find her here on Reef Central. She told me to use club soda and boy does it work. After a few injections into the hole it crawled out of there fairly quickly. Thank you Leslie.

After he crawled out I started to inspect the rock to make sure it was safe to put back in. I saw another one. *** I injected more club soda in and kind of pushed it out. When it dropped out I noticed it didn't have a head. I couldn't believe it. It left its tail behind to regenerate into a new worm. What an incredible survival mechanism.

Everyone who has one remove it. They might be harmless at first but as they get older their appetite changes and they start munching on coral. Trust me you want no parts of this. Get it out as soon as possible.

Here it is

Close up of its face

kevins72chevy · 01/17/2010, 10:50 AM

man i got crabs or bugs too what works the best

v1...rotate · 01/19/2010, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGreekReefer

I got mine out yesterday. Traps do not work. Steve Weast from the Oregon Reef told me traps are a waste of time. Steve pulled two worms out of his tank, one was 5ft and the other 7ft. OMG He told me there tail usually doesn't leave the burrow. Only way to remove it is to find the rock it burrows in and remove the rock. Thank you Steve. I know it sucks but trust me well worth it. These worms can grow very large, mine started eating expensive acros. Not cool. We as reefers put all this time, energy, and money into creating an environment that will support these beatiful acropora not create gourmet meals for a worm.

Here is how you do it. Stake out the tank at night with a red flash light. I used a red flashlight and a couple of clip-on desk lamps with red bulbs in them. Light the tank up nice and good. It took me several nights to find its home. Be patient.

Now do what you have to do to get the rock out. Me I had to cut coral that had fused the rock in place. Pull the rock out, please use gloves, us a syringe and inject Club Soda into it's lair. LeslieH works at The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles. She is an expert in worms you can find her here on Reef Central. She told me to use club soda and boy does it work. After a few injections into the hole it crawled out of there fairly quickly. Thank you Leslie.

After he crawled out I started to inspect the rock to make sure it was safe to put back in. I saw another one. *** I injected more club soda in and kind of pushed it out. When it dropped out I noticed it didn't have a head. I couldn't believe it. It left its tail behind to regenerate into a new worm. What an incredible survival mechanism.

Everyone who has one remove it. They might be harmless at first but as they get older their appetite changes and they start munching on coral. Trust me you want no parts of this. Get it out as soon as possible.

Here it is

Close up of its face

Fascinating!! How are they introduced into the aquarium, via live rock or corals?

TheGreekReefer · 01/20/2010, 08:06 PM

My best guess is that it came in on live rock

dan223 · 01/23/2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by madkeenreefer

I would like to add a pic of a "critter" I found today that was one of three that I removed from an Acro frag that had been loosing tissue over the last 4-5 weeks the loss was rapid to start, then seemed to slow ( at this slowing point I had moved the frag to the bottom of the tank away from the 250w ) I'm not sure if its relevent [IMG]

[/IMG] I was unable to take better pics of it , but to describe it ,it had a pointy clear tail almost the same lenth as its body which was a transperant darkish brown with darker parts to the head and tail reigion.
the drill bit is for refference it was a 5/64ths

It I belive has been feeding on the acro for over a month now does anyone know what this is. Oh no other Acro frags show signs of damaged tissue

Ive seen these on 2 acro's 1 oregon tort that was slowly going downhill. When I checked the corals out after lights were out these bugs were cruizing around the 2 acros that were dying. Ive seen a couple other posts from people regarding them but no one seems to know exactly what they are. I tried to get a pic and couldnt they are so small. Its hard to see in your pic, but your description of them is dead on.

tonyf · 01/24/2010, 11:51 PM

That critter is just a little 'pod eating the dead tissue.

Tone

shelburn61 · 02/01/2010, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mpoletti

Another thing to remember is that just because your tank might be infested, it is not the end of the world. There are plenty of people that have moved beyond the days of worrying about pests to have successful reef tanks. There are also plenty of stunning tanks that just live with them in their systems. Many people use "the basting menthod" where they use a turkey baster or powerhead to blow the pests (especially aefw) off the corals.
This methods helps to manage their numbers and allows the coral to continue to thrive. The basting method, along with natural predation (wrasses and such) does work and many say that they have not seen any evidence after a period of time. Some of my favorite tanks are still currently using this method.

I just realized today that I have AEFW. So glad to read this b/c I don't have the time or space for a full eradication plan. I'm hoping can keep the population near zero with dips and some wrasses.

What's the best med to reduce numbers in the display? Fluke tabs? Anyone tried Prazi-pro (praziquantel)?

justins13 · 02/02/2010, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shelburn61

I just realized today that I have AEFW. So glad to read this b/c I don't have the time or space for a full eradication plan. I'm hoping can keep the population near zero with dips and some wrasses.

What's the best med to reduce numbers in the display? Fluke tabs? Anyone tried Prazi-pro (praziquantel)?

So this wouldn't have been a problem for a healthy coral? Or the healthy tissue left on that coral?

justins13 · 02/02/2010, 09:38 AM

How can you tell the difference between AEFW and regular flat worms?

colgan10 · 02/09/2010, 11:15 AM

Please help me figure out a way to save this cap, I have other monti in the tank so i know it's only a matter of time before i see them on the others as well, any advice on some natural predators just to keep the numbers in check?

bdbyace28 · 02/12/2010, 03:10 PM

i just had a bleaching outbreak and am wondering if one of these pests could have had something to do with it. Ill have to take a much closer look it appears

bdbyace28 · 02/12/2010, 03:16 PM

what types of wrasses would help with some of these pests?

niffer · 02/14/2010, 02:39 PM

I recently discovered AEFW's
did not know why mys sps's were suffering, until i hit on these threads, but I have had all of the symptoms for months. I can now tell why my Neon Pseudochromis and striped Pseudochromis are the fattest and happiest pseudo's in the state. They must have been munching away, and keeping them in check.
I have now added a six line wrasse and a fairy wrasse. The addition of the new fish must be decreasing the flatworm load, because my corals are coloring back up. Also my to pseudochromis are out and actively hunting more- they must have to try harder with the new fish competing for worms.

When i think the worm load is at a minimum, i am thinking about dosing with Fluke out medicine.

01/07/2010, 08:29 AM	#55
chingchai Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bangkok Thailand Posts: 5,670	Great thread. Thank you guys. __________________ Ching (low profile) " Life is too short to drink bad wine " click on my homepage to see my tank on-line

01/07/2010, 10:00 AM	#58
Dejavu ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,423	When i treated, I removed acros and acros only. I left all other sps in the display. It been 5 yrs and no AEFW in sight. I have confidence that they only affect acros. __________________ Brian June 2013 TOTM Current Tank Info: 270 Starphire by Miracles in GlassBK 250 InternalSequence Blackfin 1800(2) 6105 Tunzes Streams(3) 400 watt Blueline E-Ballast400w 20k Radiums(3) Lumanarc IIIGEO 624 Ca ReactorTunze OsmolotorPM SR45 and TLF PhosBan Reactor 150Apex

01/08/2010, 03:12 PM	#59
cich4fish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: orlando Posts: 216	interceptor effects What will happen to my clams if I dose my tank with interceptor? Eric

01/24/2010, 11:51 PM	#68
tonyf Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 524	That critter is just a little 'pod eating the dead tissue. Tone __________________ These are my Principles ... If you don't like them, I have others -- Graucho Marx http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1650727 Current Tank Info: 500 gal reef

02/12/2010, 03:10 PM	#73
bdbyace28 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 98	i just had a bleaching outbreak and am wondering if one of these pests could have had something to do with it. Ill have to take a much closer look it appears __________________ Aaron Current Tank Info: 265 total tank volume(200g main, 65g frag, custom 25g sump and 25g fuge). 3x 400w Hamilton Radium 20K, Bubble Magus 220CS, Poseidon O3, Heavily stocked mixed reef, and avid tang lover

01/04/2010, 08:22 AM	#51
doca Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Xalapa, Ver., Mexico Posts: 156	camel schirmp its a good option for AEFW, but once their works ends, one need to get it out of the tank....

01/07/2010, 01:30 AM	#52
LooseHip Foaming Conehead Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: CO Posts: 1,002	I am sure this has been answered, but do AEFW's affect only smooth skinned acropora, or can the also affect other sps such as pocillipora, and millepora?

01/08/2010, 05:41 PM	#61
cich4fish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: orlando Posts: 216	Thanks.

01/16/2010, 08:05 AM	#62
TheGreekReefer Moved On Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Posts: 101	I would like to add the Eunicid Worm as a sps pest. This guy was eating my expensive acros

01/16/2010, 08:07 AM	#63
TheGreekReefer Moved On Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Posts: 101	I got mine out yesterday. Traps do not work. Steve Weast from the Oregon Reef told me traps are a waste of time. Steve pulled two worms out of his tank, one was 5ft and the other 7ft. OMG He told me there tail usually doesn't leave the burrow. Only way to remove it is to find the rock it burrows in and remove the rock. Thank you Steve. I know it sucks but trust me well worth it. These worms can grow very large, mine started eating expensive acros. Not cool. We as reefers put all this time, energy, and money into creating an environment that will support these beatiful acropora not create gourmet meals for a worm. Here is how you do it. Stake out the tank at night with a red flash light. I used a red flashlight and a couple of clip-on desk lamps with red bulbs in them. Light the tank up nice and good. It took me several nights to find its home. Be patient. Now do what you have to do to get the rock out. Me I had to cut coral that had fused the rock in place. Pull the rock out, please use gloves, us a syringe and inject Club Soda into it's lair. LeslieH works at The Natural History Museum of Los Angeles. She is an expert in worms you can find her here on Reef Central. She told me to use club soda and boy does it work. After a few injections into the hole it crawled out of there fairly quickly. Thank you Leslie. After he crawled out I started to inspect the rock to make sure it was safe to put back in. I saw another one. *** I injected more club soda in and kind of pushed it out. When it dropped out I noticed it didn't have a head. I couldn't believe it. It left its tail behind to regenerate into a new worm. What an incredible survival mechanism. Everyone who has one remove it. They might be harmless at first but as they get older their appetite changes and they start munching on coral. Trust me you want no parts of this. Get it out as soon as possible. Here it is Close up of its face

01/17/2010, 10:50 AM	#64
kevins72chevy Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: kansas city Posts: 16	man i got crabs or bugs too what works the best

01/20/2010, 08:06 PM	#66
TheGreekReefer Moved On Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cherry Hill NJ Posts: 101	My best guess is that it came in on live rock

02/02/2010, 09:38 AM	#71
justins13 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Elk Grove, CA Posts: 78	How can you tell the difference between AEFW and regular flat worms?

02/09/2010, 11:15 AM	#72
colgan10 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Paducah, Ky Posts: 58	Please help me figure out a way to save this cap, I have other monti in the tank so i know it's only a matter of time before i see them on the others as well, any advice on some natural predators just to keep the numbers in check?

02/12/2010, 03:16 PM	#74
bdbyace28 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 98	what types of wrasses would help with some of these pests? __________________ Aaron Current Tank Info: 265 total tank volume(200g main, 65g frag, custom 25g sump and 25g fuge). 3x 400w Hamilton Radium 20K, Bubble Magus 220CS, Poseidon O3, Heavily stocked mixed reef, and avid tang lover

02/14/2010, 02:39 PM	#75
niffer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14	I recently discovered AEFW's did not know why mys sps's were suffering, until i hit on these threads, but I have had all of the symptoms for months. I can now tell why my Neon Pseudochromis and striped Pseudochromis are the fattest and happiest pseudo's in the state. They must have been munching away, and keeping them in check. I have now added a six line wrasse and a fairy wrasse. The addition of the new fish must be decreasing the flatworm load, because my corals are coloring back up. Also my to pseudochromis are out and actively hunting more- they must have to try harder with the new fish competing for worms. When i think the worm load is at a minimum, i am thinking about dosing with Fluke out medicine.