Aquaforest products- Component 1+2+3+ - Page 3

plyle02 · 03/20/2016, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW

Now I need to go look up the prices and amounts of each of these to work out price differences between the pre made.

Michael,
I kind of figured the products were assembled this way. I will likely be using the pre-mixed to see how the tank reacts, but keep me posted on your findings should you gravitate towards the dry formula.
Thanks,

MichaelW · 03/21/2016, 12:20 PM

To aquaforest rep,
If you mix your own with the dry kh, ca,mag,and mineral salts and add the components strong, do you end up with exactly the same product? And would it be more cost effective?

Aquaforest · 03/23/2016, 03:01 AM

As You Can see in our Guide

There is few ways to dose Macro and Micro:

1 - Ca Plus, KH Plus, MG Plus (macro) + Component A, Component B, Component C(micro)
2 - Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Components Strong (micro)
3- Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Kalium, Iodum, Fluorine, Iron, Strontium, Micro E (micro)
4 - Component 1+2+3+

Every ways working the same - but Aquarist should find comfortable products for self

Regards,
Aquaforest

Tweaked · 03/23/2016, 08:59 AM

Shouldn't option "1" also include Kalium for others looking at options? This confused me at first as I did not see that either three of the components ABC contained Kalium, so I am balling it manually.

MichaelW · 03/23/2016, 10:36 AM

So option 2 produces the exact same as option 4? I have option 4 being delivered today but when I have used it up I may do option 2 if it is the same but costs less.

Marc11 · 03/23/2016, 01:23 PM

So I run ABC with Kalk for Alk and Cal. Should I also be dosing Kalium? I was under the impression that all micronutrients were in ABC.

Tweaked · 03/24/2016, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc11

So I run ABC with Kalk for Alk and Cal. Should I also be dosing Kalium? I was under the impression that all micronutrients were in ABC.

No, Kalium is not in ABC

Aquaforest · 03/24/2016, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW

So option 2 produces the exact same as option 4? I have option 4 being delivered today but when I have used it up I may do option 2 if it is the same but costs less.

Yes.
2=4

Aquaforest

mordibv · 03/27/2016, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW

So option 2 produces the exact same as option 4? I have option 4 being delivered today but when I have used it up I may do option 2 if it is the same but costs less.

Sent u a PM . Didn't want to derail the thread .

Magem · 03/27/2016, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaforest

Yes.

2=4

Aquaforest

In relation with option 2, Where can I find the quantity of grams and ml of each product to mix with RO water and prepare the three components? Thanks !

elviraveloz · 03/27/2016, 09:07 AM

Every container comes with written insert with instruction in like six different languages.

MichaelW · 03/28/2016, 10:57 AM

I started the dosing of component 1+ 2+ 3+ a few days ago. I started at 180ml per day of each. I think I am now close to the correct dosage at 230ml of each. My levels have dropped of course while trying to find the correct dose so will be bringing them back up with standard buffers etc. I think I may have to dose a little more but not much to maintain my desired parameters.
It is quite a lot of dosage compared to what I was doing before so the containers won't last long. Next time I will buy the bulk powders and components strong and mix a large amount myself.

Magem · 03/28/2016, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elviraveloz

Every container comes with written insert with instruction in like six different languages.

Thanks!!

MichaelW · 04/13/2016, 06:23 PM

I have ordered and received all products needed to make version 2 above, however the magnesium buffer was back ordered and will not arrive for a while. My question is would it be fine to make the balling solutions just without the magnesium and use this untill the mag buffer arrives? Or would it cause a problem?

Aquaforest · 04/14/2016, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelW

I have ordered and received all products needed to make version 2 above, however the magnesium buffer was back ordered and will not arrive for a while. My question is would it be fine to make the balling solutions just without the magnesium and use this untill the mag buffer arrives? Or would it cause a problem?

If You have Components1+2+3+ for now so I recommend to wait for everything. If You haven't anything to dose then You Can prepare Balling without magnesium.

Regards,
Aquaforest

MichaelW · 04/14/2016, 08:06 AM

I have used up all my comp 1+ 2+ 3+. I will mix a small amount without mag and hope it arrives soon

aShF · 04/16/2016, 01:02 AM

Hi,

How are people dosing these into the tank(I know with a doser), do you dose all 3 at the same time or 30min/1hour gaps between each of them? How many doses over 24hrs?

Thanks

nemodan · 04/18/2016, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaforest

As You Can see in our Guide

There is few ways to dose Macro and Micro:

1 - Ca Plus, KH Plus, MG Plus (macro) + Component A, Component B, Component C(micro)
2 - Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Components Strong (micro)
3- Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Kalium, Iodum, Fluorine, Iron, Strontium, Micro E (micro)
4 - Component 1+2+3+

Every ways working the same - but Aquarist should find comfortable products for self

Regards,
Aquaforest

Hi

From the quoted posting I understand that IF I USE COMPONENT A + B + C with my dosing method I will be near with what it is achieved if I use the Balling system 1+2+3........ correct ?

I am using B-ionic (1 and 2) for dosing. It is an equilibrated 2 part dosing system (alk and Ca).

I do have a DOS Neptune dosing system that has only 2 pumps. Buying a new dosing system with 3 pumps it will be expensive (~ $300-$450).

Also my system is equilibrated,as it is today in Ca, Alk and Mg. I replenish Mg with 15% Water Changes every weekend.

Being said all these, I am still having issues to keep a nicely loaded tank with SPS.

I am missing something that my WC are not able to replenish enought. I am using Reef Crystal Salts.

So, I thought that instead of jumping to the Balling system and expend a lot of money in new dosing pumps, I can add the components A, B and C and continue with my dosing system.

What do you think ?

Thank you !!
Daniel

mhucasey · 04/18/2016, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemodan

Hi

From the quoted posting I understand that IF I USE COMPONENT A + B + C with my dosing method I will be near with what it is achieved if I use the Balling system 1+2+3........ correct ?

I am using B-ionic (1 and 2) for dosing. It is an equilibrated 2 part dosing system (alk and Ca).

I do have a DOS Neptune dosing system that has only 2 pumps. Buying a new dosing system with 3 pumps it will be expensive (~ $300-$450).

Also my system is equilibrated,as it is today in Ca, Alk and Mg. I replenish Mg with 15% Water Changes every weekend.

Being said all these, I am still having issues to keep a nicely loaded tank with SPS.

I am missing something that my WC are not able to replenish enought. I am using Reef Crystal Salts.

So, I thought that instead of jumping to the Balling system and expend a lot of money in new dosing pumps, I can add the components A, B and C and continue with my dosing system.

What do you think ?

Thank you !!
Daniel

Daniel, B-ionic already has the micronutrients in it, I wouldn't add the components strong to them. If you wanted to switch over to the Components you mix up Calcium and Magnesium Chloride(part 1), Sodium Carbonate(part2), and "Reef Mineral Salt"(Sodium chloride free salt)(Part 3).

The components are added to these- Component A&B go into Part 1, Component C into Part 2, Component D into part 3. This is classic full Balling.

If you wanted to try this just get one BRS 1.1ml/min Peristaltic pump, they are about 80 bucks. You plug it directly into an Apex outlet. No need to buy a whole new Three head doser.

I cant stress enough, don't double up with B-Ionic trace elements! I used B-ionic in the beginning and I saw many improvements in health when I gave up on it and went to classic Randy's recipe 2-part.

nemodan · 04/18/2016, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhucasey

Daniel, B-ionic already has the micronutrients in it, I wouldn't add the components strong to them. If you wanted to switch over to the Components you mix up Calcium and Magnesium Chloride(part 1), Sodium Carbonate(part2), and "Reef Mineral Salt"(Sodium chloride free salt)(Part 3).

The components are added to these- Component A&B go into Part 1, Component C into Part 2, Component D into part 3. This is classic full Balling.

If you wanted to try this just get one BRS 1.1ml/min Peristaltic pump, they are about 80 bucks. You plug it directly into an Apex outlet. No need to buy a whole new Three head doser.

I cant stress enough, don't double up with B-Ionic trace elements! I used B-ionic in the beginning and I saw many improvements in health when I gave up on it and went to classic Randy's recipe 2-part.

Thank you Matt for your answer and advice !!!!

For more that I tried I couldn't fine any reference of what it is in the B-ionic bottles , beside bicarbonate and Ca. I hate myself for not being able to find any details about the B-ionic.

As I was reading this thread I though that I could manage to add once a week the A, B and C components to the tank, to supplement whatever the Reef Crystal mix isn't able to supplement.

My LFS suggested me to add the "strong components A,B and C " to my B-ionic and I said NO !!!! (That was 2 weeks ago).

Reading this thread I realized that there are also big bottles of the components A, B and C , that is suggested to be used at least once a week. I said to myself " I can do that, when I am back home, once a week, I can add a little if those components to the tank manually".

If I understand correctly Matt, you do NOT SUGGEST to add components A, B and C in ANY of the suggested ways. OR you are refering only to the "component strong ".

In other words : if I add, once a week, as suggested by AF, manually, components A, B, C to my tank, could be an issue because I am already using b-Ionic that have some of those components ?

Cheers ...... and THANK YOU !!!! As always for you impute.

Daniel

BTW: I have 2 BRS dosing pumps, that I replaced with the DOS Apex system, connected and programed to my Apex, and not not in use now. I am afraid of using one of them to pump the same volume as the DOS because at the end I will not be sure ever if the 3 pumps are dosing what they have to dose.

mhucasey · 04/18/2016, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nemodan

Thank you Matt for your answer and advice !!!!

For more that I tried I couldn't fine any reference of what it is in the B-ionic bottles , beside bicarbonate and Ca. I hate myself for not being able to find any details about the B-ionic.

As I was reading this thread I though that I could manage to add once a week the A, B and C components to the tank, to supplement whatever the Reef Crystal mix isn't able to supplement.

My LFS suggested me to add the "strong components A,B and C " to my B-ionic and I said NO !!!! (That was 2 weeks ago).

Reading this thread I realized that there are also big bottles of the components A, B and C , that is suggested to be used at least once a week. I said to myself " I can do that, when I am back home, once a week, I can add a little if those components to the tank manually".

If I understand correctly Matt, you do NOT SUGGEST to add components A, B and C in ANY of the suggested ways. OR you are refering only to the "component strong ".

In other words : if I add, once a week, as suggested by AF, manually, components A, B, C to my tank, could be an issue because I am already using b-Ionic that have some of those components ?

Cheers ...... and THANK YOU !!!! As always for you impute.

Daniel

BTW: I have 2 BRS dosing pumps, that I replaced with the DOS Apex system, connected and programed to my Apex, and not not in use now. I am afraid of using one of them to pump the same volume as the DOS because at the end I will not be sure ever if the 3 pumps are dosing what they have to dose.

AFs Naming is confusing, that is part of the problem.
B-ionic 2-part contains the same elements that are in "Components A, B, and C" I wouldn't dose them together with B-ionic as you would be doubling up on trace elements.
"Components Strong A, B, C, and K(I said D above, its K)" are used to make up classic 3-part Balling.
I find the BRS pumps to be extremely reliable and accurate, you would obviously dose for a different duration than the DOS pump. You can check the accuracy of the BRS pump by letting it pump into a container for 10 minutes and then measuring the volume and dividing by 10.

B-ionic is supposed to be amazing stuff that will do it all with only two parts. I did not find that to be true. For the cost savings and stability I much preferred Baking soda and Calcium Carbonate(Randy's 2-part).

tangens · 05/02/2016, 03:12 AM

Hi.

I run the Zeovit method using the calcium reactor with Ca, Kh - coral gravel + Mg media inside it.
Tell me please, can I use your - Aquaforest balling method in my Zeovit system.
If so, what is the recommended kit of Aquaforest products I should use.

Thank you,
Alex.

Aquaforest · 05/02/2016, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangens

Hi.

I run the Zeovit method using the calcium reactor with Ca, Kh - coral gravel + Mg media inside it.
Tell me please, can I use your - Aquaforest balling method in my Zeovit system.
If so, what is the recommended kit of Aquaforest products I should use.

Thank you,
Alex.

Hello,
In our display Tank we dose Component1+2+3+ with Calcium Reactor but this is Big tank with Big corals colonies.
Do You need to dose Ca,KH,Mg extra?

tangens · 05/02/2016, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquaforest

Hello,
In our display Tank we dose Component1+2+3+ with Calcium Reactor but this is Big tank with Big corals colonies.
Do You need to dose Ca,KH,Mg extra?

Hi.

Thank you for your response!

Inside the first chamber of the reactor, I use the coral grave (by KZ).
Inside the second chamber (the small on), I use magnesium media (dolomite by KZ).
I hold the ph level inside the calcium reactor on 6.5.

My parameters are:
Ca 410 (normal)
dKh 8.3 (slightly high)
Mg 1245 (low)

If I try to decrease the dKh level, my ph drops down to 7.6 (day) and 7.4 night. Then the low ph stimulating the algae.

So I have the several questions for you, please:

1. Which media do you recommend to use in my calcium reactor?
2. What is preferable to run Balling or Calcium reactor, in case the both SEPARATELY can supply the demands of my SPS corals?
3. Can I use your Component1+2+3+ instead my calcium reactor and continue to run the Zeovit system? I mean, can it be the overdose or collision using the Component1+2+3+ elements with ZeoVit products?

Thank you!
Alex.

Aquaforest · 05/04/2016, 01:50 AM

First of all You should know what contains Your products of another brand then AF.
We explain You everything of our products but it will be good to know what are You dosing to Your tank to not double dosage.

If Your Calcium reactor fill doesn't contains microelements You can dose that separately:
Iodum, Valium, Fluorine, Iron, Micro E, Strontium or by Component A, Component B, Component C,

I You will choose balling You Can find few ways to dose macro (Ca,KH,MG) and Micro:

Component 1+2+3+ contains macro (Ca,KH,MG) and Microelements. This is full set - ready to use formula for growth and coloration.

03/23/2016, 08:59 AM	#54
Tweaked FUP&A Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Madison, CT Posts: 7,722	Shouldn't option "1" also include Kalium for others looking at options? This confused me at first as I did not see that either three of the components ABC contained Kalium, so I am balling it manually. __________________ DSA 105 Pro, Cebu Sun-Radiums-M80 Ballasts, 4 T5's, XHO LEDs. Through Wall 55g Sump, 10g Frag and 29g Display attached, Vertex V6, 3 mp40's, Gyre, 2 mp10's, GFO, Carbon, Pellets - 10g Bar Tank

03/21/2016, 12:20 PM	#52
MichaelW Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,061	To aquaforest rep, If you mix your own with the dry kh, ca,mag,and mineral salts and add the components strong, do you end up with exactly the same product? And would it be more cost effective?

03/23/2016, 03:01 AM	#53
Aquaforest RC Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 558	As You Can see in our Guide There is few ways to dose Macro and Micro: 1 - Ca Plus, KH Plus, MG Plus (macro) + Component A, Component B, Component C(micro) 2 - Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Components Strong (micro) 3- Calcium, Magnesium, KH Buffer, Reef Mineral Salt ( Macro) + Kalium, Iodum, Fluorine, Iron, Strontium, Micro E (micro) 4 - Component 1+2+3+ Every ways working the same - but Aquarist should find comfortable products for self Regards, Aquaforest

03/23/2016, 10:36 AM	#55
MichaelW Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,061	So option 2 produces the exact same as option 4? I have option 4 being delivered today but when I have used it up I may do option 2 if it is the same but costs less.

03/23/2016, 01:23 PM	#56
Marc11 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Branford, CT Posts: 1,163	So I run ABC with Kalk for Alk and Cal. Should I also be dosing Kalium? I was under the impression that all micronutrients were in ABC.

03/27/2016, 09:07 AM	#61
elviraveloz Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 447	Every container comes with written insert with instruction in like six different languages.

03/28/2016, 10:57 AM	#62
MichaelW Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,061	I started the dosing of component 1+ 2+ 3+ a few days ago. I started at 180ml per day of each. I think I am now close to the correct dosage at 230ml of each. My levels have dropped of course while trying to find the correct dose so will be bringing them back up with standard buffers etc. I think I may have to dose a little more but not much to maintain my desired parameters. It is quite a lot of dosage compared to what I was doing before so the containers won't last long. Next time I will buy the bulk powders and components strong and mix a large amount myself.

04/13/2016, 06:23 PM	#64
MichaelW Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,061	I have ordered and received all products needed to make version 2 above, however the magnesium buffer was back ordered and will not arrive for a while. My question is would it be fine to make the balling solutions just without the magnesium and use this untill the mag buffer arrives? Or would it cause a problem?

04/14/2016, 08:06 AM	#66
MichaelW Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 1,061	I have used up all my comp 1+ 2+ 3+. I will mix a small amount without mag and hope it arrives soon

04/16/2016, 01:02 AM	#67
aShF Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1	Hi, How are people dosing these into the tank(I know with a doser), do you dose all 3 at the same time or 30min/1hour gaps between each of them? How many doses over 24hrs? Thanks

05/02/2016, 03:12 AM	#72
tangens Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2	Hi. I run the Zeovit method using the calcium reactor with Ca, Kh - coral gravel + Mg media inside it. Tell me please, can I use your - Aquaforest balling method in my Zeovit system. If so, what is the recommended kit of Aquaforest products I should use. Thank you, Alex.

05/04/2016, 01:50 AM	#75
Aquaforest RC Sponsor Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 558	First of all You should know what contains Your products of another brand then AF. We explain You everything of our products but it will be good to know what are You dosing to Your tank to not double dosage. If Your Calcium reactor fill doesn't contains microelements You can dose that separately: Iodum, Valium, Fluorine, Iron, Micro E, Strontium or by Component A, Component B, Component C, I You will choose balling You Can find few ways to dose macro (Ca,KH,MG) and Micro: Component 1+2+3+ contains macro (Ca,KH,MG) and Microelements. This is full set - ready to use formula for growth and coloration.