Saltmix Parameters bring on the test results - Page 3

Squibege · 04/08/2016, 10:34 PM

This is such an awesome reference! Thanks for doing this!!!

jason2459 · 04/08/2016, 11:14 PM

Welcome. What's funny is I've almost always have used regular IO and have no plans to change unlike when doing the test kit comparisons. I have no REALLY good reason to be doing this other then just for the fun of it. lol

jason2459 · 04/09/2016, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Next up

Tropic Marine Pro-Reef salt

Last night, tonight
Alkalinity 6.7, 7

Calcium 440, 445

Mg 1320-1350 (.11 and .115)

Sending out the vials to Triton tomorrow morning.

I found this rather impressive as their stated numbers at around 35ppt should be

http://www.tropic-marin.com/meersalz...salz/?lang=en#
Parameters: approx. 7° KH, calcium approx. 440 ppm, magnesium approx. 1350 ppm

I got a new package from unique corals today to ship in to Triton. So, redid the test with a new batch of Tropic Marine Pro-Reef since I gave the rest of the previous batch away already.

Alk: 7.3
Ca: ~460-470 (.07)
Mg: ~1410-1440 (.05)

Salinity was at the low end of the 35ppt line. I'll be curious what the calculated salinity will be at from the triton results. The RC I read at the high end of the 35ppt line and it came back as 34.99ppt from triton's results.

Dropping off the samples tomorrow to be mailed off.

reelfreak · 04/09/2016, 09:40 AM

No new Red Sea coral pro results?

I'm offshore another week ,but can mix some next week. Will try and share results

jason2459 · 04/09/2016, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reelfreak

No new Red Sea coral pro results?

I'm offshore another week ,but can mix some next week. Will try and share results

Not yet but more results the better.

jason2459 · 04/20/2016, 06:28 AM

And the Tropic Marine Pro-Reef Triton results are in.

jason2459 · 04/20/2016, 07:59 AM

Salinity above Calculates out to ~34.74ppt.

taricha · 04/21/2016, 05:55 AM

Thanks for doing this. Great info.
I know trace elements isn't your focus, but I couldn't help noticing two of the last 3 triton results (including reef crystals, but not IO) show Fe.
Your procedure seems solid. Can you think of any reason to suspect contamination? Or do you feel confident that's the salt batch?

jason2459 · 04/21/2016, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taricha

Thanks for doing this. Great info.
I know trace elements isn't your focus, but I couldn't help noticing two of the last 3 triton results (including reef crystals, but not IO) show Fe.
Your procedure seems solid. Can you think of any reason to suspect contamination? Or do you feel confident that's the salt batch?

It's possible there's some contaminate. I don't know where it would come from unless my mixing pump is rusting. I will inspect it. Otherwise it could be part of the saltmix being they are reef specific salts and often boost many different elements and often include other organics not in regular salt mixes. Iron is an essential part to the growth of many things like bacteria and algae.

jason2459 · 04/21/2016, 10:05 AM

Pump still looks like new. It was a new pump specifically for this testing.

I have another batch of vials coming and will start doing some more testing coming soon.

jason2459 · 05/02/2016, 08:22 AM

donitachi · 05/05/2016, 12:04 AM

Brand: Fritz RPM
Temp: 25 Degree Celsius
Salinity: 35PPT

Alkalinity: 8.95 DKH Hana Checker
Calcium: 430ppm Salifert
Magnesium: 1410 Salifert

jason2459 · 05/06/2016, 10:06 PM

That's awesome, thanks!

dkeller_nc · 05/08/2016, 12:21 PM

Brand: hw MarineMix Reefer, circulated for 12 hours, heated to 77 deg F for one hour, then tested.

Temp: 77 F (25 C)
Specific Gravity: 1.026 (Milwaukee Digital Refractometer)
Alkalinity: 8.6 dKH
Calcium: 430 ppm
Magnesium: 1260 ppm

All tests are Salifert

jason2459 · 05/08/2016, 12:31 PM

Thanks for the addition. I'll get started again soon.

Pablos RSM 450 · 05/09/2016, 07:57 AM

I test my water at 78 degrees after 24hrs of mixing@1.026. Test Alkalinity with Hanna Checker and Verified by Salifert. Test Calcium with Hanna (off by 100) and Salifert, Magnesium with Salifert.

HW Marine Reefer (Current Salt)

Alkalinity 8.9 dKH Hanna/Salifert
Calcium 420 Salifert
Magnesium 1280 Salifert

Red Sea Coral Pro (Tested small bucket)

Alkalinity 12.32 dKH Hanna
Calcium 480 Hanna 380 Salifert
Magnesium 1470 Salifert

Seachem Reef Salt (Tested 200 gal box)

Alkalinity 10.47 dKH Hanna
Calcium 527 Hanna 427 Salifert
Magnesium 1200 Salifert

Tropic Marin Pro Reef (Tested small box)

Alkalinity 6.6 dKH Hanna
Calcium 470 Hanna 370 Salifert
Magnesium 1350 Salifert

Instant Ocean Reef Crystals (Last bag from 200 gal box)

Alkalinity 8 dKH Hanna
Calcium 450 Hanna 350 Salifert
Magnesium 1080 Salifert

Waiting for Instant Ocean Regular and Coralife to arrive and will post results soon. I have been testing different salt brands myself after getting a real bad batch of Reef Crystals. I used them for years with success but I changed salts after these results. I also found my Hanna Calcium checker to be off by 100. I have Red Sea and API test kits on hand to verify when I have off the wall results.

jason2459 · 05/09/2016, 08:25 AM

now we're rolling

jason2459 · 05/09/2016, 10:03 PM

I have some spread sheet updating to do so went ahead and decided to test another salt brand tonight.

Aquavitro Salinity for reefs. I find it interesting they have on the label tested results from the batch this came from. Still doesn't mean something can't happen and results from a bucket can't be off.

Plus, they give quite the range for this to be in. Which goes to show that one should not expect one bucket or bag to be the same as another bucket or bag for any brand of salt. Basically what this entire thread is about. What can one generally expect from a particular salt mix.

Here's what's printed on my bucket. Lets see how close it is with the 3rd party results.

jason2459 · 05/09/2016, 11:45 PM

Aquavitro Salinity

35ppt

Alk
Salifert: 8.6
Seachem QC: 9.8

Ca:
Salifert 425
3rd Party: 425

Mg:
Salifert: ~1335 (.11)
3rd party: 1388

Sr:
3rd part: 8.0

Samples to be sent off to Triton tomorrow morning.

Pablos RSM 450 · 05/10/2016, 08:44 PM

Instant Ocean

Alkalinity 9.85dKH Hanna Checker
Calcium 380 Salifert
Magnesium 900 Salifert

Coralife

Alkalinity 9.12 Hanna Checker
Calcium 500+ Salifert used whole syringe
Magnesium 1350 Salifert

jason2459 · 05/10/2016, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablos RSM 450

Instant Ocean

Alkalinity 9.85dKH Hanna Checker
Calcium 380 Salifert
Magnesium 900 Salifert

Coralife

Alkalinity 9.12 Hanna Checker
Calcium 500+ Salifert used whole syringe
Magnesium 1350 Salifert

Something is way off on that IO Mg reading. Did you test again? Ca seems a tad low as well. Salinity level?

When you use the entire syringe you can refill and drip again. Each drop is 5mg/L. So you dont even have to completely fill it the second time if you know you're close.

jason2459 · 05/10/2016, 09:16 PM

I just reviewed the other results as well. I believe you have a testing error of some sorts. RC Mg should also not be near that low and seems your salifert Ca levels are low.

Pablos RSM 450 · 05/10/2016, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Something is way off on that IO Mg reading. Did you test again? Ca seems a tad low as well. Salinity level?

When you use the entire syringe you can refill and drip again. Each drop is 5mg/L. So you dont even have to completely fill it the second time if you know you're close.

Unfortunately I did there was only a difference of 20. My RC was a bad batch all other salts test fine with the same kit

jason2459 · 05/10/2016, 09:43 PM

Ok, if there's a known bad batch I'd prefer to leave them out of this listing.

Pablos RSM 450 · 05/10/2016, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

Something is way off on that IO Mg reading. Did you test again? Ca seems a tad low as well. Salinity level?

When you use the entire syringe you can refill and drip again. Each drop is 5mg/L. So you dont even have to completely fill it the second time if you know you're close.

1.026 salts were tasted at the same time. Posted a vid on youtube doing it

04/08/2016, 11:14 PM	#52
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Welcome. What's funny is I've almost always have used regular IO and have no plans to change unlike when doing the test kit comparisons. I have no REALLY good reason to be doing this other then just for the fun of it. lol __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/09/2016, 09:40 AM	#54
reelfreak Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Atlantic Beach , Florida Posts: 1,096	No new Red Sea coral pro results? I'm offshore another week ,but can mix some next week. Will try and share results __________________ From the forest itself, comes the handle for the axe Current Tank Info: 125g / 6x80 T5s 90w LED Hybrid DIY, Apex, WAVs,Skimz SM161,Tunze Osmolator

04/20/2016, 06:28 AM	#56
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	And the Tropic Marine Pro-Reef Triton results are in. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/20/2016, 07:59 AM	#57
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Salinity above Calculates out to ~34.74ppt. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/21/2016, 10:05 AM	#60
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Pump still looks like new. It was a new pump specifically for this testing. I have another batch of vials coming and will start doing some more testing coming soon. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

04/08/2016, 10:34 PM	#51
Squibege Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Edmonton AB Posts: 157	This is such an awesome reference! Thanks for doing this!!!

04/21/2016, 05:55 AM	#58
taricha Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NE Miss Posts: 608	Thanks for doing this. Great info. I know trace elements isn't your focus, but I couldn't help noticing two of the last 3 triton results (including reef crystals, but not IO) show Fe. Your procedure seems solid. Can you think of any reason to suspect contamination? Or do you feel confident that's the salt batch?

05/02/2016, 08:22 AM	#61
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	__________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank Last edited by jason2459; 05/02/2016 at 08:29 AM.

05/05/2016, 12:04 AM	#62
donitachi Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Dubai Posts: 11	Brand: Fritz RPM Temp: 25 Degree Celsius Salinity: 35PPT Alkalinity: 8.95 DKH Hana Checker Calcium: 430ppm Salifert Magnesium: 1410 Salifert __________________ Giesemann Linea II 120 x 60 x 60 - Apex - Ecotech - RLSS - Vertex - Waveline - Tunze

05/06/2016, 10:06 PM	#63
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	That's awesome, thanks! __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/08/2016, 12:21 PM	#64
dkeller_nc Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Central NC Posts: 5,062	Brand: hw MarineMix Reefer, circulated for 12 hours, heated to 77 deg F for one hour, then tested. Temp: 77 F (25 C) Specific Gravity: 1.026 (Milwaukee Digital Refractometer) Alkalinity: 8.6 dKH Calcium: 430 ppm Magnesium: 1260 ppm All tests are Salifert

05/08/2016, 12:31 PM	#65
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Thanks for the addition. I'll get started again soon. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/09/2016, 07:57 AM	#66
Pablos RSM 450 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 343	I test my water at 78 degrees after 24hrs of mixing@1.026. Test Alkalinity with Hanna Checker and Verified by Salifert. Test Calcium with Hanna (off by 100) and Salifert, Magnesium with Salifert. HW Marine Reefer (Current Salt) Alkalinity 8.9 dKH Hanna/Salifert Calcium 420 Salifert Magnesium 1280 Salifert Red Sea Coral Pro (Tested small bucket) Alkalinity 12.32 dKH Hanna Calcium 480 Hanna 380 Salifert Magnesium 1470 Salifert Seachem Reef Salt (Tested 200 gal box) Alkalinity 10.47 dKH Hanna Calcium 527 Hanna 427 Salifert Magnesium 1200 Salifert Tropic Marin Pro Reef (Tested small box) Alkalinity 6.6 dKH Hanna Calcium 470 Hanna 370 Salifert Magnesium 1350 Salifert Instant Ocean Reef Crystals (Last bag from 200 gal box) Alkalinity 8 dKH Hanna Calcium 450 Hanna 350 Salifert Magnesium 1080 Salifert Waiting for Instant Ocean Regular and Coralife to arrive and will post results soon. I have been testing different salt brands myself after getting a real bad batch of Reef Crystals. I used them for years with success but I changed salts after these results. I also found my Hanna Calcium checker to be off by 100. I have Red Sea and API test kits on hand to verify when I have off the wall results. __________________ Mixed Reefer 450, Lifereef skimmer, APEX, GYRE 150, Jebao DCP 10,000 return pump, BRS dual media reactor, Kessil 360 lights, Coralife Reef Salt. Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 450

05/09/2016, 08:25 AM	#67
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	now we're rolling __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/09/2016, 10:03 PM	#68
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I have some spread sheet updating to do so went ahead and decided to test another salt brand tonight. Aquavitro Salinity for reefs. I find it interesting they have on the label tested results from the batch this came from. Still doesn't mean something can't happen and results from a bucket can't be off. Plus, they give quite the range for this to be in. Which goes to show that one should not expect one bucket or bag to be the same as another bucket or bag for any brand of salt. Basically what this entire thread is about. What can one generally expect from a particular salt mix. Here's what's printed on my bucket. Lets see how close it is with the 3rd party results. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/09/2016, 11:45 PM	#69
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Aquavitro Salinity 35ppt Alk Salifert: 8.6 Seachem QC: 9.8 Ca: Salifert 425 3rd Party: 425 Mg: Salifert: ~1335 (.11) 3rd party: 1388 Sr: 3rd part: 8.0 Samples to be sent off to Triton tomorrow morning. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/10/2016, 08:44 PM	#70
Pablos RSM 450 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: California Posts: 343	Instant Ocean Alkalinity 9.85dKH Hanna Checker Calcium 380 Salifert Magnesium 900 Salifert Coralife Alkalinity 9.12 Hanna Checker Calcium 500+ Salifert used whole syringe Magnesium 1350 Salifert __________________ Mixed Reefer 450, Lifereef skimmer, APEX, GYRE 150, Jebao DCP 10,000 return pump, BRS dual media reactor, Kessil 360 lights, Coralife Reef Salt. Current Tank Info: Red Sea Reefer 450

05/10/2016, 09:16 PM	#72
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I just reviewed the other results as well. I believe you have a testing error of some sorts. RC Mg should also not be near that low and seems your salifert Ca levels are low. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

05/10/2016, 09:43 PM	#74
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Ok, if there's a known bad batch I'd prefer to leave them out of this listing. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank