Your sump room. - Page 3

hamiltonguy · 02/14/2009, 10:49 PM

Yeah I was thinking the same thing scarr_11. I think it'd be better if you just take out the baffle dividing the sump and the skimmer section. That way you can stretch out other chambers as Jason stated.

Aquarist007 · 02/14/2009, 10:59 PM

Whys · 02/15/2009, 01:52 PM

That is a clean layout Capn. Especially considering everything you have going on there. Extensive, yet practical.

Aquarist007 · 02/15/2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Whys
That is a clean layout Capn. Especially considering everything you have going on there. Extensive, yet practical.

thanks whys

hamiltonguy · 02/15/2009, 09:49 PM

I agree, definitely well set up.

What are the adv/disadv of having a separate sump and fuge?

Aquarist007 · 02/15/2009, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hamiltonguy
I agree, definitely well set up.

What are the adv/disadv of having a separate sump and fuge?

no disadvantages---just alot of people are not lucky enough to have the space to run them separately

advantages:
adds more water to the water column
a deep sand bed can be run remotely from the display tank and easily maintained
some reefers prefer to run chaeto by itself with a bare bottom fuge--allows easier cleaning of the debris
easier to control the flows individually to each area.
sump is easier to clean

to name a few

hamiltonguy · 02/23/2009, 11:59 PM

Bump

I know this is a delayed reply but I completely forgot about this thread.

So capn, if you have separate tanks for a sump and a fuge, would you still use one return pump or would you need one for the sump and the return?

Uselesstool · 02/24/2009, 01:33 AM

Playa, I really like your setup and am considering doing something similar for my next sump setup. I have a question though, and maybe you can clarify the reasoning. Wouldnt it be more beneficial to have the water from the tank first hit the Chaeto -> Bubble Trap -> Skimmer -> Bubble Trap #2 -> Water Pump back to Tank.

I guess it seems the water is going through more of the filtration process rather than going through either or. Maybe I'm just a retard?

Thanks

Whys · 02/24/2009, 02:40 AM

Uselesstool, I have the setup you describe with a separate slow-flow to the fuge. This works for me, in part because I have a small system with a skimmer that is "gentle on pods". But some like to have a center return so that pods coming out of the fuge don't get eaten by the skimmer. I assume this is more important with larger skimmers, like Playa's.

Just a note... there is some debate as to whether or not the return pump is gentle on pods. I agree with the school of thought that says 90% of anything visible to the naked eye will be killed by the pressure and shearing forces of an impeller pump. At some point, I'd like to gather ten amphipods from my sock, direct my pump return into a bucket, and run some empirical tests to solve this matter once and for all.

hamiltonguy · 02/24/2009, 10:13 AM

The reason alot of people don't have their drain directly into the fuge is because of the force of the water coming down the drain. This prevents proper growth of pods (or so I've heard/read). For this reason many people have a drain into the fuge or skimmer section BUT it's tee'd off to control flow, i.e. if the drain is coming down into the fuge, there would be a ball valve after the T splitting the line to the skimmer section (like in Playa's diagram) to which most of the water would be directed. I believe you're suppose to split it 75%-> skimmer and 25%-> fuge.
I hope I answered that correctly. Feel free to add anything I missed.

Salt_in_MyBlood · 02/27/2009, 05:11 PM

A great place to buy parts like bulkheads and that sort of thing is TSC or Princess Auto. good prices and you can see exactly what you are getting

hamiltonguy · 03/15/2009, 10:14 PM

Bump.

I noticed some questions about sumps lately and was hoping this thread might help others out.

02/14/2009, 10:49 PM	#51
hamiltonguy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 906	Yeah I was thinking the same thing scarr_11. I think it'd be better if you just take out the baffle dividing the sump and the skimmer section. That way you can stretch out other chambers as Jason stated. __________________ Knowledge, the only thing that's cheap in this hobby. Current Tank Info: 75G, RO NW-150 Skimmer, MP40W, MP20, 48" 4x54W TEK light, Mag 9.5, TLF 150 Bio Pellet Reactor, JBJ ATO

02/14/2009, 10:59 PM	#52
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	__________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

02/15/2009, 09:49 PM	#55
hamiltonguy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 906	I agree, definitely well set up. What are the adv/disadv of having a separate sump and fuge? __________________ Knowledge, the only thing that's cheap in this hobby. Current Tank Info: 75G, RO NW-150 Skimmer, MP40W, MP20, 48" 4x54W TEK light, Mag 9.5, TLF 150 Bio Pellet Reactor, JBJ ATO

02/23/2009, 11:59 PM	#57
hamiltonguy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 906	Bump I know this is a delayed reply but I completely forgot about this thread. So capn, if you have separate tanks for a sump and a fuge, would you still use one return pump or would you need one for the sump and the return? __________________ Knowledge, the only thing that's cheap in this hobby. Current Tank Info: 75G, RO NW-150 Skimmer, MP40W, MP20, 48" 4x54W TEK light, Mag 9.5, TLF 150 Bio Pellet Reactor, JBJ ATO

02/24/2009, 10:13 AM	#60
hamiltonguy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 906	The reason alot of people don't have their drain directly into the fuge is because of the force of the water coming down the drain. This prevents proper growth of pods (or so I've heard/read). For this reason many people have a drain into the fuge or skimmer section BUT it's tee'd off to control flow, i.e. if the drain is coming down into the fuge, there would be a ball valve after the T splitting the line to the skimmer section (like in Playa's diagram) to which most of the water would be directed. I believe you're suppose to split it 75%-> skimmer and 25%-> fuge. I hope I answered that correctly. Feel free to add anything I missed. __________________ Knowledge, the only thing that's cheap in this hobby. Current Tank Info: 75G, RO NW-150 Skimmer, MP40W, MP20, 48" 4x54W TEK light, Mag 9.5, TLF 150 Bio Pellet Reactor, JBJ ATO

02/15/2009, 01:52 PM	#53
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	That is a clean layout Capn. Especially considering everything you have going on there. Extensive, yet practical.

02/24/2009, 01:33 AM	#58
Uselesstool Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Simi Valley Posts: 13	Playa, I really like your setup and am considering doing something similar for my next sump setup. I have a question though, and maybe you can clarify the reasoning. Wouldnt it be more beneficial to have the water from the tank first hit the Chaeto -> Bubble Trap -> Skimmer -> Bubble Trap #2 -> Water Pump back to Tank. I guess it seems the water is going through more of the filtration process rather than going through either or. Maybe I'm just a retard? Thanks

02/24/2009, 02:40 AM	#59
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	Uselesstool, I have the setup you describe with a separate slow-flow to the fuge. This works for me, in part because I have a small system with a skimmer that is "gentle on pods". But some like to have a center return so that pods coming out of the fuge don't get eaten by the skimmer. I assume this is more important with larger skimmers, like Playa's. Just a note... there is some debate as to whether or not the return pump is gentle on pods. I agree with the school of thought that says 90% of anything visible to the naked eye will be killed by the pressure and shearing forces of an impeller pump. At some point, I'd like to gather ten amphipods from my sock, direct my pump return into a bucket, and run some empirical tests to solve this matter once and for all.

02/27/2009, 05:11 PM	#61
Salt_in_MyBlood Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 76	A great place to buy parts like bulkheads and that sort of thing is TSC or Princess Auto. good prices and you can see exactly what you are getting __________________ New Tank setups should be covered under the renovation tax credit.... hahaha

03/15/2009, 10:14 PM	#62
hamiltonguy Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 906	Bump. I noticed some questions about sumps lately and was hoping this thread might help others out. __________________ Knowledge, the only thing that's cheap in this hobby. Current Tank Info: 75G, RO NW-150 Skimmer, MP40W, MP20, 48" 4x54W TEK light, Mag 9.5, TLF 150 Bio Pellet Reactor, JBJ ATO