For those on the fence-wp40

[sirreal63]

Heh... not this BMW owner. '01 325i purchased in 2006. Has 172k miles and drives like a dream.

Unfortunately that's the downside of having dream-like performance and comfort - parts tend to wear and tear a lot sooner, and require more frequent maintaining. If you choose to ignore this, you will not enjoy your BMW for very long.

Not this one either. My 01 740i...78k, bought it as a toy in 2011 and is one of the most highly engineered car I have seen since I began wrenching as a child in the early 70's. I have had the pleasure of working on more cars than I can remember. I have been slowly making it as good as new but it certainly has not been inexpensive.


I would not compare it to my Tunzes which have had $7 spent on them for parts since they were new, not from failure but because they are wear items and I felt better by replacing them. I am the second owner of my 6100's, bought the pair for $300 bucks with controller. Just about every day there are 6xxx series Tunzes in the for sale section, they are always a bargain because they last. I cannot speak to the longevity of the newer ones, my old ones have not died and show no signs that they will. If they do die they will be replaced with Tunzes.

If the Jebao lasts a year or two most will be happy with it, but it is amusing that they have been through numerous controller updates in the past 6 months and still cannot get it to control the speed the way people want. The light sensor...if they cannot make a 25 cent part correctly it doesn't leave a lot of confidence that they can make the rest of it correctly.

[gcarroll]

WOW! Talk about dejavu. Reading through this thread reminds me of the threads about the Rio Seio years ago.

[ksed]

Originally Posted by James77

It's not the same product. There are major differences in quality and support, but it seems something need only look like another thing and people think it is identical. I would love to see the motors of these compared to a Tunze, I have the feeling the Tunze will be a much higher quality one.

I'd personally rather have a pump that last much longer, even if it works out to the same price in the end buying multiple cheaper ones. It is wasteful doing so, and is a reflection of the throwaway society we have become.

Well said! To bad more people don't think this way.

[paul26]

James, i get what your saying. You have to realize that some people dont have 1200 dollars to shell out for a couple of tunze/vortech pumps. 100 dollars for a pump that moves an *** load of water is a no brainer(wp40). Also, alot of people arent thinking "well, id much rather have it last longer and not have to deal with it later so ill buy 2 mp40's for 800+ dollars. 200$ vs 800$...ill take the chance.

PS. If had an unlimited budget then yes, i would go with tunze/vortech for the customer service/warranty,etc.

[Megatrev62]

I'm loving this pump. Can't get over the capabilities. Tank is rockin and wavin!! Thanks for the input but I again just wanted to state how I'm feeling about the pump.

[Sonyardo]

I'm sporting Tunze's I buy them used for a reasonable price and the performance is 1st class. No need to shop around anymore.

[James77]

Originally Posted by paul26

James, i get what your saying. You have to realize that some people dont have 1200 dollars to shell out for a couple of tunze/vortech pumps. 100 dollars for a pump that moves an *** load of water is a no brainer(wp40). Also, alot of people arent thinking "well, id much rather have it last longer and not have to deal with it later so ill buy 2 mp40's for 800+ dollars. 200$ vs 800$...ill take the chance.

PS. If had an unlimited budget then yes, i would go with tunze/vortech for the customer service/warranty,etc.

I fully know that people may not have the money to dish out on Tunzes or Vortechs. Heck...I don't even really....but my priorities are all out of whack .

It is just irritating seeing people claim that Tunze is ripping them off because this company, Jebao, made a knock off of the Tunze pump. Add to that the fact that Jebao is only reverse engineering a product and contributing nothing really to our hobby except cheap imitation. Short term, it injects low prices into the market....but what when the likes of Tunze or EcoTech are driven out of the market because their products are copied?

I even like the high flow powerheads like Koralia and Hydor...they at least made a design of their own. Jebao WP40 is a blatant copy of Tunze. I know that falls on a lot of deaf ears that only see the price, but it really hurts the companies that innovate this stuff.

I thought the same thing about 8 or 9 years ago when I bought my first set of Tunzes...I think it was $795 for a set. YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND!! I thought.....yet here I am all these years later still going with them. I have yet to have a Tunze pump die on me.

[raynist]

These threads crack me up.

As soon as someone creates a thread about one of the Jebao pumps the same 3-4 people that have never owned one show up and say 'cheap knockoff, you get what you pay for, blah, blah, blah'. They will also cite problems that are one off issues and questionable at that. It is like moths to the flame.

I have 2 WP25's running with 2 MP40's. They both have their pluses and minuses, but if I were in the market for a new pump again it would most likely be one of the WP pumps based on my experience with both. I have also had tunze stream pumps. Had lots of problems with the controllable pumps seizing and eventually got rid of them but the non controllable streams have been rock solid.

People have also had great support from Fish Street. One of my controllers had a problem with one button not working. Contacted them and they sent out another controller free of charge, did not charge shipping for it either.

[Dazedman00]

I know I'm going to be getting a WP-25. Price wins. If it breaks I buy a new one and I'm still better off. Good on jebao for making reasonably priced product we want.

[ReachTheSky]

Originally Posted by Dazedman00

Price wins. If it breaks I buy a new one and I'm still better off.

I still find it amusing that people don't realize how contradictory this attitude is. Oh well.

[Megatrev62]

Would the anti wp40 folks give it a break and let us enjoy our pumps!! Jeepers

[Ron Reefman]

Originally Posted by raynist

These threads crack me up.

As soon as someone creates a thread about one of the Jebao pumps the same 3-4 people that have never owned one show up and say 'cheap knockoff, you get what you pay for, blah, blah, blah'. They will also cite problems that are one off issues and questionable at that. It is like moths to the flame.

People have also had great support from Fish Street. One of my controllers had a problem with one button not working. Contacted them and they sent out another controller free of charge, did not charge shipping for it either.

+1 Well said.

Originally Posted by ReachTheSky

I still find it amusing that people don't realize how contradictory this attitude is. Oh well.

contradictory? It's only that they are willing to assume a small risk about the pump's quality. And that is a risk that seems smaller and smaller every day. Mine have run perfectly for 6 months now!

Originally Posted by Megatrev62

Would the anti wp40 folks give it a break and let us enjoy our pumps!! Jeepers

+1 Some people always see the glass as half empty or feel the need to save us members of the poor masses from ourselves (or the evil Chinese hoard).

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by toky916

Umm seems like that's been the thing for a while. Since wallmart opened its doors !

Some people don't have money for high television like led Samsung.
Yet they buy vizio TVs a lot cheeper compared to a 2-3k one.

People see it as just a tv with a simple that shows picture, some people don't care and would have. 55" for a lot cheeper compared to that person that what's the brand and all it's toys and smart,3D ect....

True but you are not risking your Livestock by buying a TV.

TV breaks no big deal. Get a new one.

Your Livestock dying from a cheap Chinese Knockoff that hurts our Hobby and keeps it from advancing. Big Deal.

P.S by the way I am Poor not Rich and I cannot afford a Vortech right now but I am saving my Money and will get one.

Koralia's for now.

Vortechs eventually.

No way in hell will I support a Knockoff as that is unethical and hurts our Hobby.

My money goes to Innovators not Scammers.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by James77

It's not the same product. There are major differences in quality and support, but it seems something need only look like another thing and people think it is identical. I would love to see the motors of these compared to a Tunze, I have the feeling the Tunze will be a much higher quality one.

I'd personally rather have a pump that last much longer, even if it works out to the same price in the end buying multiple cheaper ones. It is wasteful doing so, and is a reflection of the throwaway society we have become.

+1 James

Lets not forget that these stupid pieces of garbage keep out Hobby from advancing too.

EcoTech and Tunze are not going to spend a ton of money to create better products when they know idiots like this company with no standards or morals will just copy all their hard work.

Way to keep us in the stone age people buy Chinese Knock Offs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by Mmiller40gt

Comparing cheap china products to German is laughable. I worked in test and measurement for 5 years. German mechanics is bar none the best in the or world. Your trying to compare a Corolla to a BMW. Yes both get you from place A to place B. that's is where the true comparisons end.

This is the same crowd that truely believes a 150$ knock off LED is better than Guisnman metal halide. When you aquatraders/rio up pumps melt down in 2 years and take out 5000$ of livestock. You will be so happy you saved 400$. SMH

That saidI hope they really do hold up. Maybe in 2 years Ill sell my MP60 for 500$ and buy 5 of them.. That's another good point. Resale value. I see 3 year old MP40s selling for 300+. Wonder if the aquatraders pumps can keep their value. Already seeing first gen models selling at a discount. If its like aquatraders light fixtures, after a coupe tank melt downs and a fire or two, you might not be able to give one away,

Aquatraders. LOL. Don't get me started on them.

Good point.

Yeah, I saved 400 but now I have to replace 5,000 in Coral.

You guys will not be feeling so smart then.

I will never, I repeat never put my Animals in harms way no matter how much I save.

You all have a responsibilty for you animals lives it is not just about money.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by Stickboy97

LOL!

Just my $.02, if you have the coin, buy the best or buy what you want. I am setting up a new 180g. Spending a lot on a custom tank & custom stand; those 2 things to me matter the most. I bought an Apex and I'm slowly buying other equipment. Pumps aren't high on my list for Ferrari prices; I'll buy the WP40's.

I've had a 75g in my office running for 5+ years with Hydor pumps and they work as well today as they did 5 years ago. So the Chinese stuff can last.

Also, those that spend a lot on pumps always mention resale. When was the last time you sold something you liked or used a lot. Me = never. So resale means nothing to me.

PS: BMW's suck. If you don't maintain them meticulously they break down. My ex's father worked for a dealer & he said he'd never own one.

Um lets now mislead people here Hydor is Italian not Chinese.

[raynist]

And here he is!!!

Surprised it took so long, just add +1 to every anti WP post on here.

Every koralia I have owned (8) has leaked electricity into my tank and several shocked the hell out of me.

[Joe0813]

buying one of these pumps is like buying a beater car that will only last you a year until you need to replace a transmission/motor. then going out and buying another POS for another year. and again and again. when all is said and done you could have just went out and spent the money on a nice car that has a nice warranty and dont have to ship the car to china for it

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by paul26

James, i get what your saying. You have to realize that some people dont have 1200 dollars to shell out for a couple of tunze/vortech pumps. 100 dollars for a pump that moves an *** load of water is a no brainer(wp40). Also, alot of people arent thinking "well, id much rather have it last longer and not have to deal with it later so ill buy 2 mp40's for 800+ dollars. 200$ vs 800$...ill take the chance.

PS. If had an unlimited budget then yes, i would go with tunze/vortech for the customer service/warranty,etc.

Um no,

I for one do NOT have the money.

But when I do have the money (might be in a year or two for all I know) I will get Vortechs.

In the meantime I will stick with my Hydor Koralia's.

People need to realize that it has nothing to do with money.

It has more to do with Principle.

People need to see the Big Picture.

Our Hobby will not advance with the "Lets buy it because it is cheaper mentality."

The scammers keep the innovators from innovating.

Do you guys seriously think that Jebo is going to take the money they make off these Pumps to create something new and improved that will advance the hobby?

That is what companies like Eco Tech and Tunze do.

But they will not continue to do so when they know all their hard work, time invested, and money spent on R&D will just be copied again and again.

Look at the Big Picture People.

Don't chase Dollar Signs.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by raynist

And here he is!!!

Surprised it took so long, just add +1 to every anti WP post on here.

Every koralia I have owned (8) has leaked electricity into my tank and several shocked the hell out of me.

I have 6 Koralia's over 3 Aquariums which I have had for years with no problems whatsoever.

There are Lemons with any product maybe you just have bad luck.

But I am more apt to find your statement hard to believe as I have never heard of this happening before yet you claim it happened to you 8 times.

[that Fish Guy]

Originally Posted by Dazedman00

I know I'm going to be getting a WP-25. Price wins. If it breaks I buy a new one and I'm still better off. Good on jebao for making reasonably priced product we want.

God I hate American attitudes.

I really think I should move to another country.

Product we want?

I sure as hell don't want it.

You could not pay me to take it.

[that Fish Guy]

Removed.

[Hodge1995]

Originally Posted by Joe0813

buying one of these pumps is like buying a beater car that will only last you a year until you need to replace a transmission/motor. then going out and buying another POS for another year. and again and again. when all is said and done you could have just went out and spent the money on a nice car that has a nice warranty and dont have to ship the car to china for it

There is really no proof as far as longjevity of these pumps.

[shifty51008]

Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

I will never, I repeat never put my Animals in harms way no matter how much I save.

this is to funny, you have lights (can fall in the tank, or bulbs can explode), i am sure a heater (can stick on, or blow up), and other pumps in the tank that can go wrong, but just because this is, and i agree a knockoff pump that asumes it will kill the tank. no matter what brand stuff you put on or in your tank it is never full proof

[raynist]

Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

I have 6 Koralia's over 3 Aquariums which I have had for years with no problems whatsoever.

There are Lemons with any product maybe you just have bad luck.

But I am more apt to find your statement hard to believe as I have never heard of this happening before yet you claim it happened to you 8 times.

Every last one of them leaked electricity into the tank over the years (going back about 6-7 years). It was a well documented problem.

Can you just go away again? We have heard your piece, you degenerate threads into useless bickering.

Just couldn't stay away from the light could you??