EcoTech Marine VorTech MP40 Release Information - Page 3

mwood · 02/24/2006, 08:05 PM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6820098#post6820098 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bladez
For that price range, you will get way more versatility out of the Tunze products.

Yes and no, they will be smaller in the tank, but they can only be put on the back unless the tank is inwall. Also I've seen nothing showing how flow would be directed anything other than straight.

They are cool, but I wouldn't say they are way more versatile than a tunze.

sellout007 · 02/24/2006, 10:07 PM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6820508#post6820508 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwood
Yes and no, they will be smaller in the tank, but they can only be put on the back unless the tank is inwall. Also I've seen nothing showing how flow would be directed anything other than straight.

They are cool, but I wouldn't say they are way more versatile than a tunze.

I think you misread what he said. He said the same thing you did. That the tunzes are more versatile.

landragon · 02/24/2006, 10:09 PM

Mwood, I think that is what he was saying, as there was no "than" in front of the "out".

Bladez · 02/25/2006, 12:39 AM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6820508#post6820508 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwood
They are cool, but I wouldn't say they are way more versatile than a tunze.

Speaking from experience using Tunze streamsÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ When operating this type of pump, even at the lowest speeds, you will be in danger of knocking things (rocks and corals) down.

IMO placement and flow direction are some of the most important issues when purchasing a pump. The VorTech is limited to the walls of the tank and a straight on flow, whereas the streams can be placed anywhere inside the tank including the rock structure and the they can be pointed in any direction; that's versatility.

Initially the VorTech might look marginally better than the Streams. However, at some point everyone will want to change the location and or the flow direction of their pump; looks won't help you with this!

mwood · 02/25/2006, 08:07 AM

I see now, my bad.

I think it will have a market, but they may have to price it closer to a sio.

landragon · 02/25/2006, 08:42 AM

I actually agree with that comment mostly. It seems quite steep for the features that come stock. Even with the pointed out difference between MSRP/selling price. For the pump as it will be released I feel $140-$180 would be fair for the introduction price, with it coming down $30 or so over the next year or two. It doesn't seem worth more with out the controller.

wbeavers · 02/25/2006, 02:30 PM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6822535#post6822535 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bladez
Speaking from experience using Tunze streamsÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ When operating this type of pump, even at the lowest speeds, you will be in danger of knocking things (rocks and corals) down.

IMO placement and flow direction are some of the most important issues when purchasing a pump. The VorTech is limited to the walls of the tank and a straight on flow, whereas the streams can be placed anywhere inside the tank including the rock structure and the they can be pointed in any direction; that's versatility.

Initially the VorTech might look marginally better than the Streams. However, at some point everyone will want to change the location and or the flow direction of their pump; looks won't help you with this!

The flow on a Vortech pump is substantually wider and more gentle than the Stream. The flow pattern difference between the two is almost compariable to the difference between the Stream and a Maxijet. I have both a Vortech and a 6100 Stream. I would trade my Stream for a VorTech without question.

Bladez · 02/25/2006, 11:06 PM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6825315#post6825315 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wbeavers
The flow on a Vortech pump is substantually wider and more gentle than the Stream.

Based on the videos and comments posted by the beta testers and the initial video posted on the website below, the VorTech flow seems equally as turbulent and forceful as the 6100's that I have in my tank.

Initial Video
Beta Tester Forum

Beta Tester Comment

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Originally posted by melev Here
I have SPS corals about 16" from the VorTech (when it was positioned in the picture above), and two corals ended up with a small bald spot due to running it on high. I moved the pump more toward the front of the tank to avoid that direct contact and both are doing just fine. Of course, turning down the flow at the driver box is easily done as well.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6825315#post6825315 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wbeavers
The flow pattern difference between the two is almost compariable to the difference between the Stream and a Maxijet. I have both a Vortech and a 6100 Stream.

That's a pretty substantial claim and this would be a very difficult thing to prove. Were both pumps pushing the same amount of water? The "gentleness" of the flow would be dependant on the volume of water being pushed through the pump.

wbeavers · 02/25/2006, 11:23 PM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6828634#post6828634 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Bladez
That's a pretty substantial claim and this would be a very difficult thing to prove. Were both pumps pushing the same amount of water? The "gentleness" of the flow would be dependant on the volume of water being pushed through the pump. [/B]

Not really look at the size comparison between the props.

Both were turned up all the way. The point is that the pattern of flow is much wider on the VorTech.

jnarowe · 02/26/2006, 10:46 AM

It hurts when the truth hits you in the face like a frozen shovel.

carpetride · 02/26/2006, 10:59 AM

The Vortech appears to have a metal shaft?????

EcoTech Marine · 02/28/2006, 06:29 PM

The beta pumps used 316L for the drive shafts; however the drive shaft has been replaced with a plastic material for production.

jdsabin1 · 02/28/2006, 06:49 PM

How is the release date shaping up? Still a trickle in March and widely available in April then?

zapata41 · 02/28/2006, 11:52 PM

man i jst read a bunch on the maxi stream thread and now looking at those props, looks just like a frickin 1$ prop. now that makes a 350$ price tag hard to swallow

Tim

wbeavers · 03/01/2006, 12:17 AM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853480#post6853480 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zapata41
man i jst read a bunch on the maxi stream thread and now looking at those props, looks just like a frickin 1$ prop. now that makes a 350$ price tag hard to swallow

Tim

Do you compare Yugos to Ferraris also?

zapata41 · 03/01/2006, 09:06 AM

sure why not

mwood · 03/01/2006, 09:09 AM

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853627#post6853627 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wbeavers
Do you compare Yugos to Ferraris also?

If the Ferrari came without a steering wheel perhaps.

zapata41 · 03/01/2006, 09:21 AM

well that works then since the vortech doesnt come with a controller

Tim

mwood · 03/01/2006, 09:27 AM

I was referring to the ability to direct the flow.

elephen · 03/01/2006, 03:46 PM

Tagging along...

Mike.B · 04/07/2006, 04:27 AM

Well I definetly just found the way I'm going to add flow to my tank. Im going to have it on the back wall pointing forward. Those are so much nicer to look at than a big tunze and cord and whatnot, tunze's are good and the features they have are great but the size is too much and I've never like the look of them compared to closed loops. Now this product I believe will even give closed loops a run for there money.

Great product, give it some time, not like tunze came out with all the features they have now in a day.

Im actually so relieved that I dont have to upgrade my closed loop pump and with this I would have somewhere around 4000gph on a 75g(53x turnover)

Whats the diameter of the part thats in the tank, and how long is the nozzle thats in the tank? How quiet is it?

Bax · 04/07/2006, 09:10 AM

Very interested in these VorTech pumps.

One question for you Beta testers.

The pump has to be mounted flat to the glass so flow must be perpendicular to a pane of glass, right?

I like being able to point the Tunze around, is this a limitation in the Beta testers opinion?

And one more thing, if no controller is included for $350ish, how much will the controllers cost?

Thanks

MadTownMax · 04/07/2006, 09:32 AM

after making my own maxi-jet mod (similar in use of a propeller) I've found that the flow is so dispersed, that the direction of "flow" isn't really an issue - it's 108-degrees different from the conventional "jet" flow pattern of a powerhead - it's dispersed radially, and the flow down the center is really just a secondary effect of the random, turbulent flow that is directed outword.

I don't, however think that mounting in the back would be optimum, mounting on the end would be more useful - of course you can try everything when you recieve it.

confusing enough?

Mike.B · 04/07/2006, 02:53 PM

From what I read in the description of what you get for $350, you can control the jet anywhere from 100gph - 3100gph. So its minor control but no wave type control.

mattseattle · 04/07/2006, 03:11 PM

http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/ has production photos of the Vortech for you to check out. They are under the wavemaker section.

Mine should be here soon.

02/25/2006, 08:42 AM	#56
landragon Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 892	I actually agree with that comment mostly. It seems quite steep for the features that come stock. Even with the pointed out difference between MSRP/selling price. For the pump as it will be released I feel $140-$180 would be fair for the introduction price, with it coming down $30 or so over the next year or two. It doesn't seem worth more with out the controller. __________________ "Experience is the only tool we aren't born with." Unknown

02/26/2006, 10:46 AM	#60
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	It hurts when the truth hits you in the face like a frozen shovel. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

02/26/2006, 10:59 AM	#61
carpetride Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 717	The Vortech appears to have a metal shaft????? __________________ Trent Current Tank Info: 90 gal. AGA, 100 lbs LR, 29 gal sump with ASM G4 skimmer, Mag 12 return, 1-Vortech, 8x54 Tek light

02/28/2006, 06:49 PM	#63
jdsabin1 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Des Moines, IA USA Posts: 809	How is the release date shaping up? Still a trickle in March and widely available in April then? __________________ Reefing Law #22: The more a coral costs, the greater the likelihood it will die in your tank. Current Tank Info: In-wall VHO LPS/Softie 150 Gallon Reef, 5g MaxiMini Carpet tank

04/07/2006, 04:27 AM	#71
Mike.B Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 548	Well I definetly just found the way I'm going to add flow to my tank. Im going to have it on the back wall pointing forward. Those are so much nicer to look at than a big tunze and cord and whatnot, tunze's are good and the features they have are great but the size is too much and I've never like the look of them compared to closed loops. Now this product I believe will even give closed loops a run for there money. Great product, give it some time, not like tunze came out with all the features they have now in a day. Im actually so relieved that I dont have to upgrade my closed loop pump and with this I would have somewhere around 4000gph on a 75g(53x turnover) Whats the diameter of the part thats in the tank, and how long is the nozzle thats in the tank? How quiet is it? Last edited by Mike.B; 04/07/2006 at 04:54 AM.

02/24/2006, 10:09 PM	#53
landragon Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 892	Mwood, I think that is what he was saying, as there was no "than" in front of the "out".

02/25/2006, 08:07 AM	#55
mwood Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Winterset, IA 50273 Posts: 2,299	I see now, my bad. I think it will have a market, but they may have to price it closer to a sio.

02/28/2006, 06:29 PM	#62
EcoTech Marine RC Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Allentown, PA Posts: 4,870	The beta pumps used 316L for the drive shafts; however the drive shaft has been replaced with a plastic material for production.

02/28/2006, 11:52 PM	#64
zapata41 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Humboldt County, CA Posts: 2,024	man i jst read a bunch on the maxi stream thread and now looking at those props, looks just like a frickin 1$ prop. now that makes a 350$ price tag hard to swallow Tim

03/01/2006, 09:06 AM	#66
zapata41 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Humboldt County, CA Posts: 2,024	sure why not

03/01/2006, 09:21 AM	#68
zapata41 Moved On Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Humboldt County, CA Posts: 2,024	well that works then since the vortech doesnt come with a controller Tim

03/01/2006, 09:27 AM	#69
mwood Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Winterset, IA 50273 Posts: 2,299	I was referring to the ability to direct the flow.

03/01/2006, 03:46 PM	#70
elephen Moved On Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: kc Posts: 2,763	Tagging along...

04/07/2006, 09:10 AM	#72
Bax Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,619	Very interested in these VorTech pumps. One question for you Beta testers. The pump has to be mounted flat to the glass so flow must be perpendicular to a pane of glass, right? I like being able to point the Tunze around, is this a limitation in the Beta testers opinion? And one more thing, if no controller is included for $350ish, how much will the controllers cost? Thanks __________________ 150 gallon Perfecto with 1500 gph GH overflow / DIY stand-wine bar / Dart Return / SRO XP3000 Ext skimmer / 75 g frag / 40 g fuge / 40 g DIY sump / Orphek P156 & Kessil 150A Current Tank Info: 150 DT/ 40B fuge/ 75g frag/ 40 g sump/ SRO XP 3000 Ext/ TUNZEs & VorTechs circulation/Dart return/ MTC Pro Cal/ UV & Oz

04/07/2006, 09:32 AM	#73
MadTownMax ***erately knowledgable Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Appleton, WI Posts: 2,750 Blog Entries: 1	after making my own maxi-jet mod (similar in use of a propeller) I've found that the flow is so dispersed, that the direction of "flow" isn't really an issue - it's 108-degrees different from the conventional "jet" flow pattern of a powerhead - it's dispersed radially, and the flow down the center is really just a secondary effect of the random, turbulent flow that is directed outword. I don't, however think that mounting in the back would be optimum, mounting on the end would be more useful - of course you can try everything when you recieve it. confusing enough?

04/07/2006, 02:53 PM	#74
Mike.B Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 548	From what I read in the description of what you get for $350, you can control the jet anywhere from 100gph - 3100gph. So its minor control but no wave type control.

04/07/2006, 03:11 PM	#75
mattseattle Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 1,332	http://www.aquariumspecialty.com/ has production photos of the Vortech for you to check out. They are under the wavemaker section. Mine should be here soon.