Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? - Page 3

Roland Jacques · 10/10/2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smjtkj
What type of venturi is used on the bm 250?

Mike

Hey Mike,
The photos ive seen doesnt show enough to really know. Go to the Singapore reef club thread they have a photo of it.

Hows your treadwheel pump coming? i hope to test mine this weekend

smjtkj · 10/10/2006, 08:15 PM

It was coming along great, until I dremeled thru the volute cover.
I took off too much meat and there is a skin thick area now. I pushed on it to see if it was safe and it busted thru. Any idea on how to repair glass reinforced polyprophelene? I guess I will have to order a replacement. I filled the area with weldon 16. After it dries I will still use it to run tests in the garage.

Roland Jacques · 10/10/2006, 08:24 PM

I used fast weld before worked great.

I'm going to try and determine how much smaller the bubbles are with these thread wheels over pin wheels. I'm really getting excited about these BM skimmers.

Not that it was not good enough to get wild air but also smaller bubbles, lower watts... what next?

I would not be surprised if this BM250 shuts down my 7' skimmer. a couple more weeks.

Maximus · 10/10/2006, 08:27 PM

Have you heard anything on the ETA on these skimmers? Greg seemed like he wasn't sure himself.

Roland Jacques · 10/10/2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximus
Have you heard anything on the ETA on these skimmers? Greg seemed like he wasn't sure himself.

I'm not sure, i saw you asked MR ATI himself on the other thread. maybe he pull most when he sends them or clears coustoms... i wonder if their allready in route.

Creetin · 10/10/2006, 08:43 PM

Oliver told me he could get them out early as this week.
I sure hope so!!!

Maximus · 10/10/2006, 08:57 PM

Ahh, so they haven't been shipped yet. Oh well, the wait continues.

smjtkj · 10/10/2006, 09:06 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Roland Jacques
[B]I used fast weld before worked great.

Where do you get that?

Creetin · 10/10/2006, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximus
Ahh, so they haven't been shipped yet. Oh well, the wait continues.

He told me that last week, They could be in transit, But dunno.
I sent him an email, Hopefully i will hear back soon.

Creetin · 10/10/2006, 09:17 PM

This what oliver wrot last week.

We will send the next shippment as soon as possible to Reef Geek. If everything goes on as planed, we should be able to sent the next shippment in one week

Paulairduck · 10/11/2006, 01:06 AM

I really like what I am seeeing from these skimmers, time to call reefgeek

glassbox-design · 10/11/2006, 08:33 AM

we cant wait to get ours...check this video out...

http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf

e+f

Beenalongtime79 · 10/11/2006, 10:07 AM

I've been all about skimmer technology since I started reefing back in high school (I'm now 25 so it's actually been about 10 years) and I am honestly blown away by the simplicity and superiority of these skimmers.

In terms of electrical usage

erformance, they are better than the BKs and are much, much cheaper to boot. They look like they use incredibly nice pumps and if they keep their threadwheel replacement parts cheap, then they have me completely won. The one thing I worry about is the durability of the threadwheels over time because they are so thin... (0.5mm). I know that the material is similar to fishing line, but fishing line eventually breaks so I think having cheap replacement impeller wheels may be crucial in the future, but then again, maybe the torsional forces on the "threads" isn't that great and the wheel will last for years and years to come...

Also, one more thing that I think may be a problem is that you'll have to clean these guys out a lot more often than the needlewheels/pinwheels because it is basically a mesh... However, for the performance and the energy savings, I wouldn't mind rinsing out the mesh every 2 weeks-1 month.

Peace,
John

Creetin · 10/11/2006, 10:20 AM

From what i seen the pmps are very easy to remove, I ordered a airflow meter so i can gauge air performance and see if it needs cleaning or maint.
The thread wheel can just be replaced by the stuff people are using here for there thread wheels, Plus with reefgeek carring thier products makes me think that they will take are of their customers on replacement parts if need be.

smjtkj · 10/11/2006, 11:41 AM

The material is much more durble than you would think. The DLS they are using is the same thing we are using for the DIY wheels.
This stuff is really stiff, not flimsy at all. Also, I emailed ATI and they said the replacement mesh is something that could be purchased here and simply replaced by cutting the zipties and putting more on. Yes the stuff is ziptied on the disc! Simple is sometimes better!
Mike

mavgi · 10/11/2006, 12:26 PM

on the new ati we need to modify gate valve because there is no way to adgust the water level .

skimmy · 10/11/2006, 12:58 PM

i cant wait to get one!! im going to put the small one (150) on a on a 37g i have lying around....

Quatro · 10/11/2006, 01:22 PM

koraltek,

Please do post a review of the ATI BM150! I'm thinking about gettin one to replace my current ER5-2. The only thing that worries me is there is no diffuser plate like on the two bigger models, only a "t" pipe, so the bubble spread might not be as even? Also, no silencer.

Let us all know!

mavgi · 10/11/2006, 01:26 PM

i order the 250 in august and i still wait

Quote:

Originally posted by Creetin
There is a stand pipe, But it is stationary and doesnt move.
Theres a dial on the output of the skimmer i read that raises and lowers the water in the skimmer.
Its 21 and a half inches high, and i believe you need 2 inches to remove the cup. If you have 23 it may be just a tad too big.
I ordered mine last monday, I'll know when it gets here.
Hopefully next week!!!

Beenalongtime79 · 10/11/2006, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smjtkj
The material is much more durble than you would think. The DLS they are using is the same thing we are using for the DIY wheels.
This stuff is really stiff, not flimsy at all. Also, I emailed ATI and they said the replacement mesh is something that could be purchased here and simply replaced by cutting the zipties and putting more on. Yes the stuff is ziptied on the disc! Simple is sometimes better!
Mike

The original threadwheel in the Eheim pumps looked a little more professional than they do now.... the new threadwheels look essentially like the ones that all the DIYers are doing with the zipties. Haha.

I think it looks a little ghetto since it is an official product from a well known company but who am I to dispute results. I was thinking they were eventually going to remove the zip ties for the final run, but i guess that's a permanent thing and it is nice that you can change it yourself.... Mike, do you know for a FACT that it is exactly the same material as the DLS from aquatic ecosystems. I know they stuff is tough, as I've used it in plenums for years, but still given that it will be spinning 24/7, I imagine that it will break down with time.

Peace,
John

mavgi · 10/11/2006, 03:03 PM

rufio173

it's the same material but in the eheim it's more pro and the density look more then what i try. even in the eheim pump you can see some break down . after i test it i check and i find out that the tie stirp litle bit release you want to follow or watch on the impeller . i find out to that if i put more then 3 layer the pump pull less air it's geteing hard.
i will post link when i get home on the impeller so you can see a good picture how it's look like.

Paulairduck · 10/11/2006, 03:32 PM

I just ordered an ATI from greg today, and he said it would be 2-4 weeks and that he would call when he got the shipment, It's good thay are local to me, I can run down there and get this thing online.

mavgi · 10/11/2006, 05:04 PM

rufio173

click on the link you can see the treadwheel impeller better

http://www.coralreef.fi/kuvat/ATI_BM/

UCanDoIt · 10/11/2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mavgi
rufio173

click on the link you can see the treadwheel impeller better

http://www.coralreef.fi/kuvat/ATI_BM/

The photos are great! Hope it they come out with a recirculating model as well, that would be a knockout!

46bfinGA · 10/11/2006, 05:57 PM

in all the posts ive read on several sites on this skimmer,ive yet to see decent skimmate.everyone praises how much air it produces,yet ive only seen 1/5 of what my asmg3 produces in a week on my 120.im totally confused.it seems like everyone who is testing these are using plastic bins or whatever and not using them on there actual tanks.i cant wait to see one of these in action.for the price im hoping the bm250 turns out to be what they claim.

10/10/2006, 08:24 PM	#53
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	I used fast weld before worked great. I'm going to try and determine how much smaller the bubbles are with these thread wheels over pin wheels. I'm really getting excited about these BM skimmers. Not that it was not good enough to get wild air but also smaller bubbles, lower watts... what next? I would not be surprised if this BM250 shuts down my 7' skimmer. a couple more weeks. __________________ Roland

10/10/2006, 08:27 PM	#54
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Have you heard anything on the ETA on these skimmers? Greg seemed like he wasn't sure himself. __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/10/2006, 08:43 PM	#56
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	Oliver told me he could get them out early as this week. I sure hope so!!! __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/10/2006, 08:57 PM	#57
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Ahh, so they haven't been shipped yet. Oh well, the wait continues. __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

10/10/2006, 09:06 PM	#58
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	fast weld [QUOTE]Originally posted by Roland Jacques [B]I used fast weld before worked great. Where do you get that?

10/10/2006, 08:15 PM	#52
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	It was coming along great, until I dremeled thru the volute cover. I took off too much meat and there is a skin thick area now. I pushed on it to see if it was safe and it busted thru. Any idea on how to repair glass reinforced polyprophelene? I guess I will have to order a replacement. I filled the area with weldon 16. After it dries I will still use it to run tests in the garage.

10/10/2006, 09:17 PM	#60
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	This what oliver wrot last week. We will send the next shippment as soon as possible to Reef Geek. If everything goes on as planed, we should be able to sent the next shippment in one week __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/11/2006, 01:06 AM	#61
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	another skimmer I need to try I really like what I am seeeing from these skimmers, time to call reefgeek

10/11/2006, 08:33 AM	#62
glassbox-design Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: SF Posts: 3,041	we cant wait to get ours...check this video out... http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf e+f __________________ GLASSBOXDESIGN the modern reef blog LEDs are a 50,000 hr investment. Choose wisely. Current Tank Info: ...a new glassbox is coming

10/11/2006, 10:07 AM	#63
Beenalongtime79 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 4,437	I've been all about skimmer technology since I started reefing back in high school (I'm now 25 so it's actually been about 10 years) and I am honestly blown away by the simplicity and superiority of these skimmers. In terms of electrical usageerformance, they are better than the BKs and are much, much cheaper to boot. They look like they use incredibly nice pumps and if they keep their threadwheel replacement parts cheap, then they have me completely won. The one thing I worry about is the durability of the threadwheels over time because they are so thin... (0.5mm). I know that the material is similar to fishing line, but fishing line eventually breaks so I think having cheap replacement impeller wheels may be crucial in the future, but then again, maybe the torsional forces on the "threads" isn't that great and the wheel will last for years and years to come... Also, one more thing that I think may be a problem is that you'll have to clean these guys out a lot more often than the needlewheels/pinwheels because it is basically a mesh... However, for the performance and the energy savings, I wouldn't mind rinsing out the mesh every 2 weeks-1 month. Peace, John

10/11/2006, 10:20 AM	#64
Creetin Limestone Cowboy. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a little place i like to call a little place. Posts: 4,552	From what i seen the pmps are very easy to remove, I ordered a airflow meter so i can gauge air performance and see if it needs cleaning or maint. The thread wheel can just be replaced by the stuff people are using here for there thread wheels, Plus with reefgeek carring thier products makes me think that they will take are of their customers on replacement parts if need be. __________________ If only common sense was common. Current Tank Info: 300 gal marineland deep

10/11/2006, 11:41 AM	#65
smjtkj Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 862	The material is much more durble than you would think. The DLS they are using is the same thing we are using for the DIY wheels. This stuff is really stiff, not flimsy at all. Also, I emailed ATI and they said the replacement mesh is something that could be purchased here and simply replaced by cutting the zipties and putting more on. Yes the stuff is ziptied on the disc! Simple is sometimes better! Mike

10/11/2006, 12:26 PM	#66
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	on the new ati we need to modify gate valve because there is no way to adgust the water level .

10/11/2006, 12:58 PM	#67
skimmy T3am Zissou Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Galactic Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 1,123	i cant wait to get one!! im going to put the small one (150) on a on a 37g i have lying around....

10/11/2006, 01:22 PM	#68
Quatro Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 541	koraltek, Please do post a review of the ATI BM150! I'm thinking about gettin one to replace my current ER5-2. The only thing that worries me is there is no diffuser plate like on the two bigger models, only a "t" pipe, so the bubble spread might not be as even? Also, no silencer. Let us all know!

10/11/2006, 03:03 PM	#71
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	rufio173 it's the same material but in the eheim it's more pro and the density look more then what i try. even in the eheim pump you can see some break down . after i test it i check and i find out that the tie stirp litle bit release you want to follow or watch on the impeller . i find out to that if i put more then 3 layer the pump pull less air it's geteing hard. i will post link when i get home on the impeller so you can see a good picture how it's look like.

10/11/2006, 03:32 PM	#72
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	just ordered today I just ordered an ATI from greg today, and he said it would be 2-4 weeks and that he would call when he got the shipment, It's good thay are local to me, I can run down there and get this thing online.

10/11/2006, 05:04 PM	#73
mavgi Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: queens n.y Posts: 2,209	rufio173 click on the link you can see the treadwheel impeller better http://www.coralreef.fi/kuvat/ATI_BM/

10/11/2006, 05:57 PM	#75
46bfinGA Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ball Ground, Ga. Posts: 1,333	in all the posts ive read on several sites on this skimmer,ive yet to see decent skimmate.everyone praises how much air it produces,yet ive only seen 1/5 of what my asmg3 produces in a week on my 120.im totally confused.it seems like everyone who is testing these are using plastic bins or whatever and not using them on there actual tanks.i cant wait to see one of these in action.for the price im hoping the bm250 turns out to be what they claim.