Lets get this over with, whats the best phosphate remover for the money? - Page 3

mc-cro · 01/12/2007, 07:40 AM

Is the depression of Alk really a concern with the Phosphar?

I am going to be buying a reactor and media in the next day or
two, and I am leaning heavily towards the PHosphar

Ti · 01/12/2007, 11:04 AM

for the money probably phosguard

LBCBJ · 01/12/2007, 03:09 PM

I used Rowa with no results, even at 4 times the recommended dosage ...I'm now trying Phosban. Interesting how Rowa is packaged wet, while Phosban is packaged dry...does anyone know exactly why and if it has any effect on performance? Also, for those folks who use Phosban reactors, what is your flow-through rate and do you tumble your media? (yes, I know the directions say not to, but it seems that without tumbling the media would clump and channel and trap detritus)

DrBDC · 01/12/2007, 03:15 PM

GFO is GFO. It's rusted iron. You can change surface area by shaping it different i.e. more pourous. If you buy it wet, you need to calculate how much is water. 1oz wet GFO does not equal 1 oz dry GFO.

LBCBJ · 01/12/2007, 03:20 PM

Exactly what is the liquid in Rowa...RO water?

GraviT · 01/12/2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LBCBJ
I used Rowa with no results, even at 4 times the recommended dosage ...I'm now trying Phosban. Interesting how Rowa is packaged wet, while Phosban is packaged dry...does anyone know exactly why and if it has any effect on performance? Also, for those folks who use Phosban reactors, what is your flow-through rate and do you tumble your media? (yes, I know the directions say not to, but it seems that without tumbling the media would clump and channel and trap detritus)

Actually, the instructions that come with the reactor say that the top 1/2" of media should tumble gently. I've always used Phosban in my reactor with good results. Before that, I used PhosLock in a mesh bag which may have helped, but I also have a large fuge full of chaeto..hard to say.

gcarroll · 01/12/2007, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ezcompany
when is the second generation phosar estimated to be released?

PhosarHC is now available! I'll get a pic of the Jar when I get home. It's got a sweet acro pic on the jar

(pic by Eric of **********).

rockindacheeks · 01/12/2007, 03:51 PM

hey greg who sells it? eric?

gcarroll · 01/12/2007, 03:56 PM

Dan, I don't think it has made it's way to any retailers yet. I spoke with Warner Marine because they will be presenting their new products to the club at the meeting on the 19th

rockindacheeks · 01/12/2007, 03:57 PM

another thing im gonna be missing. maybe i should just stay home that weekend...

Yinger · 01/12/2007, 04:08 PM

you think they will be selling any at the fragswap?

Serioussnaps · 01/12/2007, 06:05 PM

Warner Marine has great products, but this topic is beat

"best" is such a subjective term

CeeGee · 01/12/2007, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Serioussnaps
Warner Marine has great products, but this topic is beat

"best" is such a subjective term

I don't think this topic is beat. As a guy who just installed a reactor with Rowaphos last night I am concerned about this alk drop that no one has answered yet. Very concerned actually.

So once again how hard of a hit does Alk usually take by introducing this type of media?

I am going to check my Alk in a little while and see where it is. Luckily I checked it last night.

jdieck · 01/14/2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mc-cro
Is the depression of Alk really a concern with the Phosphar?

I am going to be buying a reactor and media in the next day or
two, and I am leaning heavily towards the PHosphar

No concern at all.

jdieck · 01/14/2007, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LBCBJ
...I'm now trying Phosban. Interesting how Rowa is packaged wet, while Phosban is packaged dry...does anyone know exactly why and if it has any effect on performance? Also, for those folks who use Phosban reactors, what is your flow-through rate and do you tumble your media? (yes, I know the directions say not to, but it seems that without tumbling the media would clump and channel and trap detritus)

They are both Iron Oxide Hydroxide but have different crystalography. Rowa is Beta while Phosban and PHOsR are Alpha. Rowa has to be maintained wet so the crystals do not turn into Alpha.
The diference is that The Beta crystal seems to adsorb up to three times faster and at high Phosphate concentration can adsorb up to five times more although cost wise (PPM adsorption per unit of price they seem equivalent.)
Adsorption of PHOsR is similar to Phosban but because it does not clump it maintains its efficiency for a longer time. In other words because of clumping and flow issues Phosban may require t be replaced even before it has been exausted.

Regarding the flow, if you use some filter fiber on top I would recommend a flow high enough to keep the surface of the media sligtly moving (Like miniature volcanos).
Once you put the media in the reactor flush it with a high flow (without the fiber) until it comes out clear and throw the water away. Then install the fiber (on top of the perforated plate) and set up the slow flow just to tumbre the media surface.

TandN · 01/14/2007, 04:47 PM

so when is the relaes date gonna be for phosar HC ? I was just about to buy tphosar but hell if theres gonna be a better one im waiting lol. What is the amount used per gallon in it ?

ezcompany · 01/14/2007, 05:19 PM

i've decided to use phospure for now as the price just can't be beat. i don't test for phosphates but what the hey, i'm not going out of my way to get an expensive phosphate tester

roxy25 · 01/14/2007, 05:26 PM

I used phosguard and had good results. since I have a small tank I just put the media in a nylon stocking and placed it in front of my powerheads.

It really stopped my hair alage from growing and it gave my snails time to eat it all up.

I dont have a phosphate reactor ( dont have no room to put it any where)

could I just use stocking method with this stuff?

right now I have another Phosphate problem I know its my water source ( have to save up for ro/di unit)

Serioussnaps · 01/14/2007, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CeeGee
I don't think this topic is beat. As a guy who just installed a reactor with Rowaphos last night I am concerned about this alk drop that no one has answered yet. Very concerned actually.

So once again how hard of a hit does Alk usually take by introducing this type of media?

I am going to check my Alk in a little while and see where it is. Luckily I checked it last night.

My alk only dropped the FIRST time I introduced a GFO...now when i change it every month it doesnt drop at all.

Its not a constant "depression."

TandN · 01/14/2007, 08:42 PM

Does it mess up PH ?

jdieck · 01/14/2007, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tanya72806
Does it mess up PH ?

No

mburnickas · 02/13/2007, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Covey
I've used:
PhosGuard
Phos-X
PhosBan
Rowa
Dr. F&S PhosPure

I've noticed little or no difference in the ability of them to remove phos. They ALL work Dr. F&S was by far the cheapiest. In my book GFO is GFO.

Same here. I used the same but no Phos-x. Just bought 2 more bottles of Foster and smith. Best $54 going!

wentreefgirl · 02/13/2007, 05:52 AM

Ive used rowa, phos ban and phos lock. Nothing with Rowa. Phosloc seems to work less then phosban for me. Id be interested in trying the new phosar hc. Just to see if it works better.

Rays · 02/13/2007, 09:39 AM

Those of you with a reactor and using PHOsar, are you using it loose in the reactor, or in a media bag? I'm just emptying out my Phosguard, but the PHOsar granules are somewhat smaller.

TandN · 02/13/2007, 09:48 AM

Is the phosar like the others where it has to be rinsed like crazy to get it clean ?

View Poll Results: What is the best phosphate remover for your system?
Rowaphos	90	35.71%
Seachem Phosguard	16	6.35%
Salifert Phosphate Killer	2	0.79%
Hagen Fluval Phosphate Remover	2	0.79%
Warner Marine Phosar	33	13.10%
Dr. Foster Smith Phos Pure	11	4.37%
Phosban	76	30.16%
Kent Phos Sponge	5	1.98%
Other (please mention)	27	10.71%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 252. You may not vote on this poll

01/12/2007, 07:40 AM	#51
mc-cro (macro) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 2,238	Is the depression of Alk really a concern with the Phosphar? I am going to be buying a reactor and media in the next day or two, and I am leaning heavily towards the PHosphar __________________ Time is the most valuable thing you have... spend it wisely Current Tank Info: 60x26x24 AGE 3 sided starphire

01/12/2007, 11:04 AM	#52
Ti Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 7,927	for the money probably phosguard __________________ Hair algae is my Macro algae.

01/12/2007, 03:09 PM	#53
LBCBJ Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 1,332	I used Rowa with no results, even at 4 times the recommended dosage ...I'm now trying Phosban. Interesting how Rowa is packaged wet, while Phosban is packaged dry...does anyone know exactly why and if it has any effect on performance? Also, for those folks who use Phosban reactors, what is your flow-through rate and do you tumble your media? (yes, I know the directions say not to, but it seems that without tumbling the media would clump and channel and trap detritus) __________________ Brent

01/12/2007, 03:15 PM	#54
DrBDC Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ballwin, Missouri Posts: 10,358	GFO is GFO. It's rusted iron. You can change surface area by shaping it different i.e. more pourous. If you buy it wet, you need to calculate how much is water. 1oz wet GFO does not equal 1 oz dry GFO. __________________ Some drink at the fountain of knowledge, some just gargle, but most are rabid. Current Tank Info: 180g sps+75 softy/lps on one system tunze's, seio's, mjmods, aquacontroller w/add ons, 2X400 XM10000 and 3X160 vho actinic, 110g sump, 110 frag tank, Geo Beckett and other stuff

01/12/2007, 03:20 PM	#55
LBCBJ Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 1,332	Exactly what is the liquid in Rowa...RO water? __________________ Brent

01/12/2007, 03:51 PM	#58
rockindacheeks Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Corona, California Posts: 2,072	hey greg who sells it? eric? __________________ My name is Dan, and I'm a closet reefer... Current Tank Info: 28g nanocube

01/12/2007, 03:56 PM	#59
gcarroll Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 9,666	Dan, I don't think it has made it's way to any retailers yet. I spoke with Warner Marine because they will be presenting their new products to the club at the meeting on the 19th __________________ Greg Carroll I will be at REEF-A-PALOOZA! SPS = Stability Promotes Success Be wary of advice coming from those who will not show you the fruits of their success! Current Tank Info: building: 250g AGE Euro tank, Abyzz A200, Vertex Supra-G filtration, Ecotech Radion Pro LEDs, ...

01/12/2007, 03:57 PM	#60
rockindacheeks Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Corona, California Posts: 2,072	another thing im gonna be missing. maybe i should just stay home that weekend... __________________ My name is Dan, and I'm a closet reefer... Current Tank Info: 28g nanocube

01/12/2007, 04:08 PM	#61
Yinger Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Yorba Linda Posts: 3,657	you think they will be selling any at the fragswap?

01/12/2007, 06:05 PM	#62
Serioussnaps Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,703	Warner Marine has great products, but this topic is beat "best" is such a subjective term

01/14/2007, 04:47 PM	#66
TandN Registered Member. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,009	so when is the relaes date gonna be for phosar HC ? I was just about to buy tphosar but hell if theres gonna be a better one im waiting lol. What is the amount used per gallon in it ?

01/14/2007, 05:19 PM	#67
ezcompany Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,640	i've decided to use phospure for now as the price just can't be beat. i don't test for phosphates but what the hey, i'm not going out of my way to get an expensive phosphate tester __________________ Jin Have a nice day! Current Tank Info: IM40

01/14/2007, 05:26 PM	#68
roxy25 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Eastvale, California Posts: 3,118	I used phosguard and had good results. since I have a small tank I just put the media in a nylon stocking and placed it in front of my powerheads. It really stopped my hair alage from growing and it gave my snails time to eat it all up. I dont have a phosphate reactor ( dont have no room to put it any where) could I just use stocking method with this stuff? right now I have another Phosphate problem I know its my water source ( have to save up for ro/di unit)

01/14/2007, 08:42 PM	#70
TandN Registered Member. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,009	Does it mess up PH ?

02/13/2007, 05:52 AM	#73
wentreefgirl Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New milford, ct Posts: 3,010	Ive used rowa, phos ban and phos lock. Nothing with Rowa. Phosloc seems to work less then phosban for me. Id be interested in trying the new phosar hc. Just to see if it works better.

02/13/2007, 09:39 AM	#74
Rays Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Mansfield, Ma Posts: 948	Those of you with a reactor and using PHOsar, are you using it loose in the reactor, or in a media bag? I'm just emptying out my Phosguard, but the PHOsar granules are somewhat smaller. __________________ What! I need this too? Current Tank Info: 90 seahorse, 60 hex seahorse, 55 reef

02/13/2007, 09:48 AM	#75
TandN Registered Member. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,009	Is the phosar like the others where it has to be rinsed like crazy to get it clean ?