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Unread 10/13/2009, 10:08 PM   #726
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HI all

I have a 95G tank 40*23,6*23,6, Have about 70lbs of LR, DSB, Cheato and a Reefocto extreme 200 recirc rated for a 400G tank. My current fish list is:
1*jumping bean
1*midas blenny
1*orchid dottyback
2*chromis

I want to add another 3 chromis and 5 lyretail antias. Would that be an ok stocking list or is it too much bearing in mind the crazy sized skimmer?

Oy yes tank is also BB
It is nice to have a school of 5 chromies but they tend to beat up on each other with that number--could be problems


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Unread 10/13/2009, 10:11 PM   #727
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Hey I have a 30g ..I want to get a black/white clown (occ) and a regular (occ) clown What sizes should I introduce the fish at? and how?

how long has your tank been running and how much live rock do you have.
IMO I would wait to the six week point and introduce both clowns together----smaller size being better in this case since you don't want to increase the bioload to drastically


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Unread 10/14/2009, 06:45 AM   #728
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HI all

I have a 95G tank 40*23,6*23,6, Have about 70lbs of LR, DSB, Cheato and a Reefocto extreme 200 recirc rated for a 400G tank. My current fish list is:
1*jumping bean
1*midas blenny
1*orchid dottyback
2*chromis

I want to add another 3 chromis and 5 lyretail antias. Would that be an ok stocking list or is it too much bearing in mind the crazy sized skimmer?

Oy yes tank is also BB
I wouldn't add any more chromis since there are already 2. They fight for a pecking order and the first two will pick on the new ones which will in turn become afraid, will not eat, then ultimately die. If you want to school chromis you should buy them all at the same time otherwise the above will happen. I've had personal experience with this in 210g so it's destined to happen in a 90.


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the only problem I see is with the damsels---how have they been with the other fish?
The damsels have been fine. One is more aggressive than the others, but they generally are fine with all the fish in the tank. When I got the 6-line, two of them "asserted themselves" (extended dorsal and quick swimming salvos) for about two days and now they leave the six line alone.

My sand is about 2-4 inches deep and seems to have a healthy amount of live and algae growing on it.


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Hi all

I'm currently cycling a 35 gallon tank (36x16x13) with 15 lbs. of cured Fiji rock which I added today. I use a CPR BakPak2 and my old HOB from a f/w tank (that I cleaned thoroughly and has no carbon, no biowheel) for extra gph. I'm considering adding an additional power head (or 2) to replace the HOB and increase gph. I do not use a sump. My light set up is a Current 36" Satellite: 1-96w SmartPaq 10,000k/460 nm lamp, 1-Lunar Light. I have a sand substrate of black Tahitian sand that is ~ 3inches deep.

My plan:
- Add additional Fiji Rock for aquascaping - max 15 more lbs

A. Fish
2 Ocellaris Clownfish -or - 1 Black or 1 Maroon Clownfish
1 Angelfish - Blueface or Emperor
1 Pacific blue Tang
1 Clown Trigger
1 Dottyback

Other than the clowns, none of these fish are a "must have", they are just the 5 or so species that I like best. If for any reason some of them cannot thrive, survive, or endanger my tank in any way please let me know! Also, I'm open to suggestions of other fish that may make better tank mates or work better with corals.

B. Corals:
I'm looking to start with 2 corals initially. I'd like to start with a coral that is considered hardy & can do well with the light set up I have currently. Any & all suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

C. Inverts :
I have no idea! I had not planned to add any b/c I'm not sure if they are (a) necessary or (b) safe for my application. If they benefit my tank safely I'd be happy to add some.

All advice needed and welcomed!

Side Question 1- Where or how do I figure out what the ideal number of fish, corals, or inverts for my tank environment?

Side Question 2- I have read that people add wads of Cheato algae behind their rock wall as an additional phosphate remover. Is this common or necessary?

Thank you for your time!



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Unread 10/14/2009, 09:32 PM   #732
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90 gallon 48x21x21
current inhabitants:
1 4-5" Purple Tang
1 Lyretail Anthias
I Canary Wrasse
Pair of Black Ocellaris Clowns

Want to add:
2 Flasher Wrasse(different types)
Mystery Wrasse

My sig has the rest of the info you will probably need. Thanks, Dave


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Just wondering what recommendations you may have fish-wise. I have a 55gal, 4x54 t5 retro, aquaC remora HOB w/ mj1200, external HOB 4gal fuge, 2 Koralia 3's.

My current selections are-
Watchman Goby
Tiger Pistol Shrimp

I made that selection after reading this whole article. I really got a kick out of some of the youtube videos I watched.

I want fish that are entertaining to watch and have a lot of personality. I plan to Keep LPS/Softies, and maybe SPS further down the road but I doubt it. My wife would really like a clownfish, so I'll probably add that to my list also. What other recommendations could you make towards my Fish/CUC shopping list?


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Unread 10/15/2009, 07:40 PM   #734
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Just wondering what recommendations you may have fish-wise. I have a 55gal, 4x54 t5 retro, aquaC remora HOB w/ mj1200, external HOB 4gal fuge, 2 Koralia 3's.

My current selections are-
Watchman Goby
Tiger Pistol Shrimp

I made that selection after reading this whole article. I really got a kick out of some of the youtube videos I watched.

I want fish that are entertaining to watch and have a lot of personality. I plan to Keep LPS/Softies, and maybe SPS further down the road but I doubt it. My wife would really like a clownfish, so I'll probably add that to my list also. What other recommendations could you make towards my Fish/CUC shopping list?
Anybody? If I need to provide anymore specifics just let me know what questions you have


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Unread 10/16/2009, 10:30 PM   #735
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Hi all

I'm currently cycling a 35 gallon tank (36x16x13) with 15 lbs. of cured Fiji rock which I added today. I use a CPR BakPak2 and my old HOB from a f/w tank (that I cleaned thoroughly and has no carbon, no biowheel) for extra gph. I'm considering adding an additional power head (or 2) to replace the HOB and increase gph. I do not use a sump. My light set up is a Current 36" Satellite: 1-96w SmartPaq 10,000k/460 nm lamp, 1-Lunar Light. I have a sand substrate of black Tahitian sand that is ~ 3inches deep.

My plan:
- Add additional Fiji Rock for aquascaping - max 15 more lbs

A. Fish
2 Ocellaris Clownfish -or - 1 Black or 1 Maroon Clownfish
1 Angelfish - Blueface or Emperor
1 Pacific blue Tang
1 Clown Trigger
1 Dottyback

Other than the clowns, none of these fish are a "must have", they are just the 5 or so species that I like best. If for any reason some of them cannot thrive, survive, or endanger my tank in any way please let me know! Also, I'm open to suggestions of other fish that may make better tank mates or work better with corals.

B. Corals:
I'm looking to start with 2 corals initially. I'd like to start with a coral that is considered hardy & can do well with the light set up I have currently. Any & all suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

C. Inverts :
I have no idea! I had not planned to add any b/c I'm not sure if they are (a) necessary or (b) safe for my application. If they benefit my tank safely I'd be happy to add some.

All advice needed and welcomed!

Side Question 1- Where or how do I figure out what the ideal number of fish, corals, or inverts for my tank environment?

Side Question 2- I have read that people add wads of Cheato algae behind their rock wall as an additional phosphate remover. Is this common or necessary?

Thank you for your time!
Your tank is two small for a tang esp the blue--that's a 12-13 inch fish as an adult. The emporer angel is also too big for that tank and can be a coral eater.

What happens is as the fish grows in size it starts to realize its territory is now being threatened by other fish in the tank. It becomes agressive and fights occur which causes further stress in the tank.
This answers one of your questions about the number of fish in a tank
first consider the adult size
then consider how gets along with whom eg two dwarf angels is usually problematic
finally consider the filtration---with 30 lbs of good fiji rock you don't have a problem with this consideration

Other good fish--a couple of cardinals, chromis, or fire gobies. I also like basellets and gobies but I would stick way from engineer gobies.

Hardy corals: leathers, mushrooms, kenya tree, colt, xenia, torch to name a few--good starter corals

Chaeto is best contained in a refugium--in the display tank it can get into power heads etc and clog them up. I have run chaeto in some display tanks by using a soap dish you can pick up in the dollar store--it contains it well.


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Just wondering what recommendations you may have fish-wise. I have a 55gal, 4x54 t5 retro, aquaC remora HOB w/ mj1200, external HOB 4gal fuge, 2 Koralia 3's.

My current selections are-
Watchman Goby
Tiger Pistol Shrimp

I made that selection after reading this whole article. I really got a kick out of some of the youtube videos I watched.

I want fish that are entertaining to watch and have a lot of personality. I plan to Keep LPS/Softies, and maybe SPS further down the road but I doubt it. My wife would really like a clownfish, so I'll probably add that to my list also. What other recommendations could you make towards my Fish/CUC shopping list?
A six line wrasse is a very busy fish and if you have holes in the reef it will travel in and out the reef all day
A flame hawk is excellent also--it perches sometimes upside down on rocks and corals
Flame gobies twitch as the move across the tank
A pair of banner fish just move together very slowly all over the tank
A pair of hosting clown fish in an anemone is very interesting and you can get them to lay eggs in the tank by ensuring there diet has some live food in it such as black worms
Two bangii cardinals are interesting swimmers

The yellow watchman goby is an excellent choice that you mentioned


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90 gallon 48x21x21
current inhabitants:
1 4-5" Purple Tang
1 Lyretail Anthias
I Canary Wrasse
Pair of Black Ocellaris Clowns

Want to add:
2 Flasher Wrasse(different types)
Mystery Wrasse

My sig has the rest of the info you will probably need. Thanks, Dave
I would add an anemone for the pair of black clowns
If adding the wrasse make sure you have a good top on the tank--they like to carpet surf.

consider some of the other fish I mentioned in the last two previous posts


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Would anyone be able to recommend a couple reef safe fish that will hang out in the water column? My 45g is 24" deep so I have it set up with a couple of pillars with open space in between and wanted to find a fish or 2 that will spend a good amount of time up off the sandbed. Just starting to stock so not many limitations, just have my perc. clown at the moment. I was thinking a chromis, couple pajama cardinals or a pair of firefish. Are there any other options that I might be missing? Thanks for the help!


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I would add an anemone for the pair of black clowns
If adding the wrasse make sure you have a good top on the tank--they like to carpet surf.

consider some of the other fish I mentioned in the last two previous posts
actually, my clowns do have a RBTA they host in, unfortunately it moved to the back of the rock, so i don't see it much, but as long as it is healthy, i'm happy....

I will look into the other fish suggestions, only one i know i don't want is a 6-line as i've heard they can be mean buggers. And i do have a net top so no jumping, thanks for the suggestions...


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thanks capn hylinur, that is exactly what I was looking for. Love the avatar btw lol


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Would anyone be able to recommend a couple reef safe fish that will hang out in the water column? My 45g is 24" deep so I have it set up with a couple of pillars with open space in between and wanted to find a fish or 2 that will spend a good amount of time up off the sandbed. Just starting to stock so not many limitations, just have my perc. clown at the moment. I was thinking a chromis, couple pajama cardinals or a pair of firefish. Are there any other options that I might be missing? Thanks for the help!
Look up the term "dither fish". Basically what that means is these are fish that swim out in the open and encourage other more shy fish to do the same. The three you have chosen are all good dither fish. Anthias are also. You may want to be a little careful though because depending on how long your perc has been in the tank, it may be hers and if so she will be aggressive to any new addition.


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Unread 10/17/2009, 07:58 AM   #742
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Luckily she's still hanging out in the nanocube waiting for the move over since I'm planning to move her when I get a 2nd clown.


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Your tank is two small for a tang esp the blue--that's a 12-13 inch fish as an adult. The emporer angel is also too big for that tank and can be a coral eater.

What happens is as the fish grows in size it starts to realize its territory is now being threatened by other fish in the tank. It becomes agressive and fights occur which causes further stress in the tank.
This answers one of your questions about the number of fish in a tank
first consider the adult size
then consider how gets along with whom eg two dwarf angels is usually problematic
finally consider the filtration---with 30 lbs of good fiji rock you don't have a problem with this consideration

Other good fish--a couple of cardinals, chromis, or fire gobies. I also like basellets and gobies but I would stick way from engineer gobies.

Hardy corals: leathers, mushrooms, kenya tree, colt, xenia, torch to name a few--good starter corals

Chaeto is best contained in a refugium--in the display tank it can get into power heads etc and clog them up. I have run chaeto in some display tanks by using a soap dish you can pick up in the dollar store--it contains it well.
Thanks for the detailed reply, very helpful!


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Luckily she's still hanging out in the nanocube waiting for the move over since I'm planning to move her when I get a 2nd clown.
Then adding other fish should be fine. I wish you success and don't forget to let the system cycle. 2-3 wks of patience will save you tons of headaches later.


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Unread 10/17/2009, 01:20 PM   #745
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Oh, no worries. I have 30lbs. dry rock seeded w/ LR from my 8 month old nanocube and it has been in the tank for a while now. I did some more thinking after I posted last night. Here's the actually run down of my setup: 45g w/ 20g sump/refugium containing critter loaded chaeto, vertex IN-100, 2x koralia 2, quiet one 3000 return, 4x39w icecap retro. Planning to do mainly lps and soft with a few sps/acro. Here's the wishlist I brainstormed:
2 percula
1 chromis
2 pajama cards or firefish
1 court jester or 6-line
1 tail-spot or starry blenny
1-2 clown goby
My one wish was a flame angel but was thinking of a flasher wrasse as a substitute for the color since it's more reef safe. Would it really be ok in a 45? Liveaquaria has them listed as 30g min. but does anyone have experience? Not a requirement but I'm entertaining the idea
My rock is setup in towers with lots of holes and caves so I figured the gobies and blennies would have plenty of room to roam. I'm confident the bioload will be manageable since the fish will be added slowly, I'm more worried about competition for space. Any thoughts are appreciated as I'm hoping to get the most variety in the limited space.


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Give us your size of tank, and type of water treatment (filter/live rock, sump y/n?) and tell us what you propose to buy---and please, old hand reefers, give us some help on this! But I have just read two really sad posts from people whose lfs sold them impossible-to-keep-alive creatures that are sadly dead or dying right this moment.
We can't answer without info, so describe your system (best yet, fill in those questions in My Profile under My RC, and give detail the way us old hands do)---and we'll be ever so glad to tell you whether your fish will have a good life in your tank.


90g RR, Reef Octopus NW200 skimmer, 30g sump w/DSB fuge, RO/DI water, 2x250watt 14k, 60lbs live rock, bare bottom main tank.


This is what i would like to stock this tank with:


Pair Black Photon Clownfish
1 Goldrim Tang
1 Tailspot Blenny
1 Bellus Angelfish
1 Dispar Anthias
1 Bangaii Cardinal
1 McCoskers Flasher Wrasse
1 Firefish



That is my fish wish list


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Would like suggestions for adding fish.

185 gal (60 in x 30 in x 24 in), 40 gal sump/fuge, 150 lbs rock, 1 year old, MSX200 skimmer, open top, hanging T5's with 540 watts. Sps and current fish regal tang, 3 pajama cardinals, 1 chromis, engineer goby, mandrin.

Only idea is to add some anthias. Suggestions on type of anthias and other fish.



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Hi all, I'm experienced with marine, but only smaller tanks. So I'm looking to see what is a possibility in my new, bigger tank.

I'll start with the tank stats

90 gallon, 48 wide x 18 deep x 24 tall
29g Sump/fuge
DIY skimmer
100lbs of live rock
100 lbs of live sand (fine grade)
216w Nova extreme T5

Must have Inverts:
2 skunk cleaners (coming with the rock)
mixed cuc (hermits, snails)
Zoas, softies and some LPS

Must have fish:
2 false percs
1 royal gramma (maybe 2)
1 purple firefish
1 LM blenny

Fish I want (in order of desire):
Fairy wrasse, not sure which exactly, any suggestions?
School (6-7) of green or blue chromis
1 tang, purple is prefered, but if my tank is too small the yellow or chevron will do.
1 dwarf angel, not sure which but must be trustworthy with zoas softies and LPS
1 butterfly fish, again not sure which, but must be reef safe (unlikely, I know)

Anyone have any suggestions?


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Would anyone be able to recommend a couple reef safe fish that will hang out in the water column? My 45g is 24" deep so I have it set up with a couple of pillars with open space in between and wanted to find a fish or 2 that will spend a good amount of time up off the sandbed. Just starting to stock so not many limitations, just have my perc. clown at the moment. I was thinking a chromis, couple pajama cardinals or a pair of firefish. Are there any other options that I might be missing? Thanks for the help!
my pic would be a pair of banner fish

this is a 45 gal hex tank






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90g RR, Reef Octopus NW200 skimmer, 30g sump w/DSB fuge, RO/DI water, 2x250watt 14k, 60lbs live rock, bare bottom main tank.


This is what i would like to stock this tank with:


Pair Black Photon Clownfish
1 Goldrim Tang
1 Tailspot Blenny
1 Bellus Angelfish
1 Dispar Anthias
1 Bangaii Cardinal
1 McCoskers Flasher Wrasse
1 Firefish



That is my fish wish list
Good wish list. Might I suggest 2 firefish and 2 bangaii cardinals----this way they hang together and usually will venture out from the reef more


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