Warner Marine Now Has A Pellet Product

[drtrash]

P was not zero when I started. The algea on back of tank along with alittle cyano died offs. The only thing left is N. Not sure if you have to be more patient or this is the endpoint of nutrient consumtion.

[dwdowney]

Does anyone run ozone with Ecobak? It seems counterproductive unless the bacteria is never “free swimming” ie always growing in the reactor then it seems like it would work even better.

[Stuart60611]

Originally Posted by dwdowney

Does anyone run ozone with Ecobak? It seems counterproductive unless the bacteria is never “free swimming” ie always growing in the reactor then it seems like it would work even better.

The way the pellets work is the overwhelming majority of the bacterial mass remains in the reactor. However, small amounts of bacteria mass are sloughed off the pellets to the water column and then exported from the system via your skimmer. The problem I see with running ozone is the bacterial mass that is sloughed off could be killed by the ozone, thereby causing the bacteria sloughed off to release back in the system all of fhe nutrients they consumed rather than being skimmed out together with the nutrients.

[tmz]

I think dead bacteria as well as live bacteria are exported along with other organics.The ozone wouldn't likely kill very many in a normal reef tank application,in my opinion..
It does seem counter intuitive to run organic busting ozone when growing exportable organics via bacteria is the goal. However, the ozone would break up larger organics likely rendering some of them more amphiphylic /skimmable . The broken organic chains may also have a greater affinity for gac(granulaterd activated carbon). So it could be a big plus on the export side and in keeping total organic carbon acceptably low.

Ozone may or may not add to free toxic metal in a tank high by breaking it loose from an organically bound state. this may be an issue if a tank has built up organics and bound metals over time.

FWIW,I have all the fixins to put an ozone generator on my system which has been dosed with vodka and vinegar for the past 20 months. However, I'm wary about the metals issue and my ORP runs 315 to 320 without it. So I'm leaving it on the shelf for now
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[dwdowney]

Since my tank has only been established for about three months in which time all the water entering the system came from I high quality RODI unit in an area of the country with very low metal content in the municipal water supply, it would seem to me that my risk of increasing the amount of free toxic metals would be minimal. Would you agree? Also, is there a target ORP range? I have continued to get conflicting answers to that question.

[PDAlber]

After reading the positive feedback on these pellets, I've decided to order some for my tank. I have some quick questions, though (sorry if they've already been answered). I currently have GAC and GFO in two TLF reactors, which run in series and are fed by my return pump. I would prefer to replace the GFO with the pellets, but I see some people run both. My questions:
1. If I simply replace the GFO with pellets, can I continue running using the TLF reactors in series (GAC then pellets then output to the skimmer intake)?
2. Should I add another pump and run the two reactors seperately?
3. Or, should I continue running my current setup and add a third reactor for the pellets with its own pump?
I really prefer to keep thing simple but want to do whats best. Thanks for the help.

[bertoni]

You'll need to replace the GAC monthly, and I wouldn't want to disturb the bio-pellets that often, so I'd use two reactors, personally. Disturbing the bio-pellets could reduce their effectiveness for a while. That might not be an issue, though.

[poolkeeper1]

Originally Posted by bertoni

You'll need to replace the GAC monthly, and I wouldn't want to disturb the bio-pellets that often, so I'd use two reactors, personally. Disturbing the bio-pellets could reduce their effectiveness for a while. That might not be an issue, though.

After many months of running pellets in a BRS reactor i have found that the reactor gets clogged with debri that blocks flow through it and needs cleaning out every so often. I have seen no negative effects from rinsing the pellets in clean salt water to get the flow optimal again. This has helped in keeping the pellets tumbling as desired.
Bill

[PDAlber]

Originally Posted by bertoni

You'll need to replace the GAC monthly, and I wouldn't want to disturb the bio-pellets that often, so I'd use two reactors, personally. Disturbing the bio-pellets could reduce their effectiveness for a while. That might not be an issue, though.

Just so I'm clear, you're saying run the pellets with their own pump so I won't disturb them when I change out the GAC? My main concern with running the reactors in series was that I would not be able to maintain proper flow through both. Do you think I should continue to run GFO?

[poolkeeper1]

Originally Posted by PDAlber

Just so I'm clear, you're saying run the pellets with their own pump so I won't disturb them when I change out the GAC? My main concern with running the reactors in series was that I would not be able to maintain proper flow through both. Do you think I should continue to run GFO?

Jon Warner reccomends you run it in it's own reactor with around 100gph flow. As far as GFO goes i ran it until my Po4 was undetectable with the Hanna meter PPB and then removed it. The EB has been holding it at around 4PPB which is pretty good IMO without any help. JMO
Bill

[PDAlber]

Thanks!

[tmz]

Originally Posted by dwdowney

Since my tank has only been established for about three months in which time all the water entering the system came from I high quality RODI unit in an area of the country with very low metal content in the municipal water supply, it would seem to me that my risk of increasing the amount of free toxic metals would be minimal. Would you agree? Also, is there a target ORP range? I have continued to get conflicting answers to that question.

Metals may not be an issue ; likely not inl your situation.

This article may be of interest:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

Typically, aqauriums do well in teh 300 to 450mv range. The controller is usually set between 400 and 450 when ozone is applied.

[tmz]

Originally Posted by PDAlber

After reading the positive feedback on these pellets, I've decided to order some for my tank. I have some quick questions, though (sorry if they've already been answered). I currently have GAC and GFO in two TLF reactors, which run in series and are fed by my return pump. I would prefer to replace the GFO with the pellets, but I see some people run both. My questions:
1. If I simply replace the GFO with pellets, can I continue running using the TLF reactors in series (GAC then pellets then output to the skimmer intake)?
2. Should I add another pump and run the two reactors seperately?
3. Or, should I continue running my current setup and add a third reactor for the pellets with its own pump?
I really prefer to keep thing simple but want to do whats best. Thanks for the help.

Personally,I'd continue the gfo and gac.

If you're set on removing the gfo , running the gac downstream from the pellets may lead to bacteria clogging the the gac quickly. On the other hand it might prove to be a very effective way to insure their removal and limit the amount of bacteria and the organic products of their activity flowing into the tank.

All in all running a separate reactor for the pellets gives you the ability to control the flow to each media used separately which can be very desireable as well as simplifying media change out.

[platax88]

Originally Posted by poolkeeper1

Jon Warner reccomends you run it in it's own reactor with around 100gph flow. As far as GFO goes i ran it until my Po4 was undetectable with the Hanna meter PPB and then removed it. The EB has been holding it at around 4PPB which is pretty good IMO without any help. JMO
Bill

hey Bill! glad it's working out for you. I am seeing good things on my end too at 1.5 weeks. I am at .03 PH4 and waiting to go undetectable before pulling GFO off-line, although I think it is already exhausted anyways.

So would 4PPB be .04 on a hanna?

[buy_baff]

Took my GFO off line the other day and my po4 is still 0.00 on my hanna checker. So no more expensive GFO for me!

[thi7b]

Do you guy run the ecobak pellet w/ GFO in a separate container. I tested my son tank yesterday before running the pellet. Nitrate 0 on sailfert and Phos. .06 on Hach phosmeter. I thought you don't have to use GFO anymore.

[poolkeeper1]

Originally Posted by platax88

hey Bill! glad it's working out for you. I am seeing good things on my end too at 1.5 weeks. I am at .03 PH4 and waiting to go undetectable before pulling GFO off-line, although I think it is already exhausted anyways.

So would 4PPB be .04 on a hanna?

No the Phosphate meter is PPM The Phosphorus Meter is PPB If my math is correct 4ppb is 0.012 ppm or equal to around 3x the reading in ppb to ppm
Very low is all i know LOL
Bill

[reefkt]

Originally Posted by poolkeeper1

Jon Warner reccomends you run it in it's own reactor with around 100gph flow. As far as GFO goes i ran it until my Po4 was undetectable with the Hanna meter PPB and then removed it. The EB has been holding it at around 4PPB which is pretty good IMO without any help. JMO
Bill

Originally Posted by buy_baff

Took my GFO off line the other day and my po4 is still 0.00 on my hanna checker. So no more expensive GFO for me!

Look like everyone have good result

[platax88]

WEEK 2 UPDATE

Started with 500ml the first week and added another 500ml for the second week.

PH4 have dropped from .08 to .02
N03 remains the same at 2.5ppm

I definately see an increase of skimmer gunk!

[jsdancer]

Originally Posted by platax88

WEEK 2 UPDATE

Started with 500ml the first week and added another 500ml for the second week.

PH4 have dropped from .08 to .02
N03 remains the same at 2.5ppm

I definately see an increase of skimmer gunk!

Good deal platax!!!
Noticed any extra brown or green diatoms?

[platax88]

Originally Posted by jsdancer

Good deal platax!!!
Noticed any extra brown or green diatoms?

Nope nothing yet. I had a bit of cyano that has actually gotten better.

How's your doing? Any change in your corals?

[jsdancer]

Originally Posted by platax88

Nope nothing yet. I had a bit of cyano that has actually gotten better.

How's your doing? Any change in your corals?

I will test later today, but was at a LFS and they tested but used API test kit there and their tests stated 0 phosphates and 0 nitrates but plan to use my salifert kits.
As for corals anything that was rtn'ing has stopped. All other corals DEFINTITELY have more color. My tri-colors are showing three colors, my garf is finally showing the blue tips.

[g8rorchid]

Has anyone seen a substantial drop in their nitrates? IF so, how much are you running? How high were your nitrates and what are they at now?

Thanks!

[thi7b]

Does phos. usually goes up then come back down after a month. When I strarted on Mon. phos. was .06 on a hach phosmeter. Today it goes up to .09 should I start using GFO w/ the pellet again.

[buy_baff]

Originally Posted by thi7b

Does phos. usually goes up then come back down after a month. When I strarted on Mon. phos. was .06 on a hach phosmeter. Today it goes up to .09 should I start using GFO w/ the pellet again.

I didn't stop useing GFO tell the 10 week mark. You should keep running it for a while IMO.