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mike2155 · 11/05/2009, 08:13 PM

First of all, I just found this forum and have learned a lot. thanks to everyone who helps out us newbies...

I have a 40-gallon tank with live rock and two "hang on back" filters. The tank has been up for about 3 months now.

I have 2 clown fish, a 6-line wrasse, a bi-color dottyback and a watchman goby.

I tried a royal gramma (twice). both times it just seemed to stay pretty much hidden in the rock and didn't come out. I think the 6-line was picking on them until they died. I also tried 3 of the blue-green chromis with the same results.

I've been taking water samples weekly to the LFS and they say it is perfect.

I also have a torch coral and a leather finger coral, both of which seem to be doing very well.

I'd like some advice on corals to add as well as some possible fish additions.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Aquarist007 · 11/05/2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike2155

First of all, I just found this forum and have learned a lot. thanks to everyone who helps out us newbies...

I have a 40-gallon tank with live rock and two "hang on back" filters. The tank has been up for about 3 months now.

I have 2 clown fish, a 6-line wrasse, a bi-color dottyback and a watchman goby.

I tried a royal gramma (twice). both times it just seemed to stay pretty much hidden in the rock and didn't come out. I think the 6-line was picking on them until they died. I also tried 3 of the blue-green chromis with the same results.

I've been taking water samples weekly to the LFS and they say it is perfect.

I also have a torch coral and a leather finger coral, both of which seem to be doing very well.

I'd like some advice on corals to add as well as some possible fish additions.

Thanks in advance for your help.

You did not mention lighting which is important for suggesting corals. I'll assume since you are starting out that you are wanting lps and soft corals for the time being. These require less lighting and less pristine water conditions as sps corals do.
Here are some suggestions
xenia coral
colt coral
mushrooms
brain coral
toadstool mushroom
pagoda coral
zoas

Your fish stocking is excellent. You might want to consider some fire gobies.

Sound · 11/06/2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capn_hylinur

the niger trigger is not reef safe and very agressive--should be kept in a tank with other aggressive species.

Your choice of puffers is excellent--beautiful fish---they can be fish nippers but this variety is usually less of a problem.

I would suggest you have your refugium going for three months before adding the mandarin so as to establish a good colony of copopods for it

Sailfin and blue tangs are over a foot long as an adults--too small for the 65 gal tank. Mimics average around 9 inches as adults so you might be alright for a couple of years with it. Yellow tangs are about 7 inches as adults--have you thought about that?

Hmm...so mimics would probably ok in my tank for a while. On average how long do you think a 1-2" sailfin and blue tang would take to outgrow my tank and what is the minimum tank size that would be able to keep them?

Burkette · 11/06/2009, 06:04 PM

Ok guys...I've been reading this thread, and it seems like there is an abundance of info, but...I'm going to ask anyway. The first list is the fish I have, the second is the list of fish I would like to put in. Any thought are apreciated. Thanks in advance.
Tank:125 gallon
2 koralia 4s
iwaki return @ 800gph
3 VHO T5 5 footers, 1 full actinic, 2 50/50s

5 green chromis
2 lyretail anthias (1 male, 1 female0
2 pearly jawfish
1 diamond goby
1 lawnmower blenny(soon to be returned for credit when I catch him...he's a bully)

What I would like to add, and would like suggestions on. ( I would like to jkeep everything reef safe, and non agressive, if possible. I dont want my fish to kill each other.)

Some sort of puffer (for the wife)
black occelaris (pair)
Anenome(again, would like suggestions on what will host the occs, and will do ok in my tank)
And I am looking for suggestions on other fish I may not have thought of. I am relatively new to the hobby, and am looking for hardy, non aggressive fish.
Thanks guys!!!

Aquarist007 · 11/06/2009, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burkette

Ok guys...I've been reading this thread, and it seems like there is an abundance of info, but...I'm going to ask anyway. The first list is the fish I have, the second is the list of fish I would like to put in. Any thought are apreciated. Thanks in advance.
Tank:125 gallon
2 koralia 4s
iwaki return @ 800gph
3 VHO T5 5 footers, 1 full actinic, 2 50/50s

5 green chromis
2 lyretail anthias (1 male, 1 female0
2 pearly jawfish
1 diamond goby
1 lawnmower blenny(soon to be returned for credit when I catch him...he's a bully)

What I would like to add, and would like suggestions on. ( I would like to jkeep everything reef safe, and non agressive, if possible. I dont want my fish to kill each other.)

Some sort of puffer (for the wife)
black occelaris (pair)
Anenome(again, would like suggestions on what will host the occs, and will do ok in my tank)
And I am looking for suggestions on other fish I may not have thought of. I am relatively new to the hobby, and am looking for hardy, non aggressive fish.
Thanks guys!!!

there is no guarantee that the occelaris pair will host in an anemone--your tank would probably be good for a green or red bubble tip anemone.

suggestions:
yellow tang and or foxface
cardinals a pajama or a school of bangii would be nice
coral beauty angel

krowleey · 11/06/2009, 11:39 PM

125 RR tank 40 breeder sump
hurricone cat 1 skimmer
NEP 12x39 HO
vortech mp40
220 lbs of LR, about 50 in the sump
2 inch sand bed

1 small hippo
1 yellow
1 kole
1 cardnial
5 chromis
1 yellow watch man/w pistol
pair of false perc clowns

i would like to add more fish, i really want a naso, i do have the skimmer to handle a big bioload. any thoughts?

kentamason · 11/07/2009, 05:26 PM

100 gal tank, LR, sump, fuge.....just added a blue hippo tang and another that I should have done more reading on first.....a foxface rabbitfish. Beautiful, hardy fish. I don't think I went wrong on that end....but I didn't know the part about him being a coral nipper. I only have some pulsing xenias and green star polyps at this point, but I was hoping to get into some LPS coral. Anybody have experience with these fish? Are the accusations true?

Aquarist007 · 11/07/2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krowleey

125 RR tank 40 breeder sump
hurricone cat 1 skimmer
NEP 12x39 HO
vortech mp40
220 lbs of LR, about 50 in the sump
2 inch sand bed

1 small hippo
1 yellow
1 kole
1 cardnial
5 chromis
1 yellow watch man/w pistol
pair of false perc clowns

i would like to add more fish, i really want a naso, i do have the skimmer to handle a big bioload. any thoughts?

You have the skimmer and live rock to handle a bigger bioload but not the tank size for a naso tang or an adult hippo/blue tang.
If you are going to stick with the roster that you have now then you could probably add a few more fish that are not more then 3 inches in adult size.

Tangs need swimming room--other fish as they grow can sense that there claimed territory is now being threatened and can become agressive to the other fish.

Aquarist007 · 11/07/2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kentamason

100 gal tank, LR, sump, fuge.....just added a blue hippo tang and another that I should have done more reading on first.....a foxface rabbitfish. Beautiful, hardy fish. I don't think I went wrong on that end....but I didn't know the part about him being a coral nipper. I only have some pulsing xenias and green star polyps at this point, but I was hoping to get into some LPS coral. Anybody have experience with these fish? Are the accusations true?

I must have a dozen foxfaces over the the tanks that I look after and my own. IMO not a problem with them at all. They are great algae eaters. I have even had some eat bryopsis forming on pipes etc. Makes my job easier

Your mistake is more with the hippo then the rabbit fish. The hippo is a 12 inch fish at adult while the rabbit fish averages 7 or 8 inches.
Even if the grow to 66 per cent of their in the wild size I think the hippo will eventually outgrow your tank.

Aquarist007 · 11/07/2009, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sound

Hmm...so mimics would probably ok in my tank for a while. On average how long do you think a 1-2" sailfin and blue tang would take to outgrow my tank and what is the minimum tank size that would be able to keep them?

Sound, you really can make a generalization like that with any living creature
There are so many variables that affect growth, many not under our control.
I put a powder blue tang in my tank the same time as a buddy of mine. They were close to the same size(3 inches), our tanks are very close, and our feeding methods almost identical. His powder blue is a good three inches longer then mine now and much wider???
There are some experienced reefers who have done emperical tests and state that a norm for our fish is about 66 percent of its in the wild size.
Again a difficult concept to grasp in the danger of making generalized statements like I said above

The short I would research the adult size in the wild==compare it to at least 66 per cent of its growth in captivity before I buy the fish.
In your case I would have a plan to upgrade my tank at the point the sailfin and blue reach 4 inches (if they do) It could be one two three or 4 years--who can say

krowleey · 11/07/2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capn_hylinur

You have the skimmer and live rock to handle a bigger bioload but not the tank size for a naso tang or an adult hippo/blue tang.
If you are going to stick with the roster that you have now then you could probably add a few more fish that are not more then 3 inches in adult size.

Tangs need swimming room--other fish as they grow can sense that there claimed territory is now being threatened and can become agressive to the other fish.

i could ditch the chromis, but i need a whipping boy. how about 4 anthias? of course 3 female one male. cant agree about the blue tang and a 125, but thats just my opinion. guess i will hold off on the naso, but i realllllllly want one.

alaska clowns · 11/08/2009, 06:13 AM

Thanks for this thread! It's helped me before.......and now I'm asking again.....

I have
2 ocillaris clowns
Bicolored blenny
Red scooter Blennny

I am moving to a 55 and these are the fish I would like to add to what I already have.....
I REALLY want a yellow tang. I know, I know

so how about:

dwarf angel
2 yellow clown gobies
royal gramma

Would those four fit with what I have? I also have some soft corals (mushrooms, leather toadstool, zoos).
Thank you so much for your help!

JTL · 11/08/2009, 02:41 PM

Very good information.

I recently added the following:
(2) Ocellaris Clowns
Six Line Wrasse
Tailspot Blenny
Green Coral Goby
Coral Beauty
Cerith Snails and Nassrius Snails
Copepods, ect to my refugium.

Actually, everything but the clowns are in quarantine. What else might be appropriate.
This is a 100g with a 30g sump. Plan on more softies and maybe some LPS.

aquadonkey · 11/08/2009, 09:35 PM

Love this thread!
Here are my plans:
29g - just finished the third week of cycling and I think I'm going to start with a CUC tomorrow. I want to start with two snails - make sure I can keep them alive, then slowly acquire the rest of the CUC - then the fish and corals.
Here's my wish list:
snails - haven't been able to find much information about which breeds are best and how to care for them - any references??
red starfish
pom-pom crab
2 pep shrimp
2 blood red shrimp
pair of ocillaris clowns
pearly jawfish - about this choice, I'm still toying with the idea of going for a YWG/shrimp combo instead. Anyone with experience or tips, advice please!
As for corals - I still have lots of research to do, but I'm leaning towards starting with softies.
Thanks everyone!

Aquarist007 · 11/08/2009, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alaska clowns

Thanks for this thread! It's helped me before.......and now I'm asking again.....

I have
2 ocillaris clowns
Bicolored blenny
Red scooter Blennny

I am moving to a 55 and these are the fish I would like to add to what I already have.....
I REALLY want a yellow tang. I know, I know

so how about:

dwarf angel
2 yellow clown gobies
royal gramma

Would those four fit with what I have? I also have some soft corals (mushrooms, leather toadstool, zoos).
Thank you so much for your help!

good list ---I don't see a problem.

Aquarist007 · 11/08/2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTL

Very good information.

I recently added the following:
(2) Ocellaris Clowns
Six Line Wrasse
Tailspot Blenny
Green Coral Goby
Coral Beauty
Cerith Snails and Nassrius Snails
Copepods, ect to my refugium.

Actually, everything but the clowns are in quarantine. What else might be appropriate.
This is a 100g with a 30g sump. Plan on more softies and maybe some LPS.

nice list and I applaud you for gt'ing your fish

suggestions
foxface
blue green chromies
anthias
bangii or pajama cardinal
yellow tang
fire or flame gobies
a cleaner and a blood red shrimp

Aquarist007 · 11/08/2009, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aquadonkey

Love this thread!
Here are my plans:
29g - just finished the third week of cycling and I think I'm going to start with a CUC tomorrow. I want to start with two snails - make sure I can keep them alive, then slowly acquire the rest of the CUC - then the fish and corals.
Here's my wish list:
snails - haven't been able to find much information about which breeds are best and how to care for them - any references??
red starfish
pom-pom crab
2 pep shrimp
2 blood red shrimp
pair of ocillaris clowns
pearly jawfish - about this choice, I'm still toying with the idea of going for a YWG/shrimp combo instead. Anyone with experience or tips, advice please!
As for corals - I still have lots of research to do, but I'm leaning towards starting with softies.
Thanks everyone!

half way down this page are links to these snails:
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/SwSnails/

Astrea Snail - Information on how to keep and care for Astrea Snails
Nassarius vibex - How to cre for the bruissed nassa.
Bumble Bee Snail - Learn more about this stunning little snail.
Cerith Snails - Information on how to keep and care for Cerith snails.
Chestnut Cowrie - A guide to keeping Chestnut cowries.
Collonista Snails - Information on how to keep and care for collonista snails.
Fighting Conch - Learn how to keep and care for fighting conch snails in marine aquariums.
Margarita snails - A guide to keeping Margarita snails.
Mexican Turbo Snail - Information on how to keep and care for Mexican turbo snails.
Stomatella Snails - How to keep and breed stomatella snails.
Tiger Cowrie - Information on how to keep and care for tiger cowries

Information on the pearly jaw fish(it can be a carpet surfer)
http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/jaw...pearlyjawfish/

aquadonkey · 11/08/2009, 11:59 PM

Great! I'll read through this stuff before bringing anyone home!

JTL · 11/09/2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capn_hylinur

nice list and I applaud you for gt'ing your fish

suggestions
foxface
blue green chromies
anthiast
bangii or pajama cardinal
yellow tang
fire or flame gobies
a cleaner and a blood red shrimp

I read that the Coral Beauty may be a problem in a reef tank, but then some people have not had any problems.

Was also thinking about:

Orchid Dottyback
Midas Blenny
Mandarin Goby (after I am sure the pods are sufficient). It will be difficult to quarintine the Goby unless I purchase pods to but in the QT.

webdizzy · 11/09/2009, 01:37 PM

How does this list look for a 46g with approx. 78lb LR and a Remora skimmer?

1 Midas Blenny
3 Green Chromis
1 Orchid Dottyback
1 Sixline Wrasse
2 Clownfish (pair)

OR

1 Midas Blenny
1 Dwarf Angel (instead of Chromis)
1 Orchid Dottyback
1 Sixline Wrasse
2 Clownfish (pair)

Too much???

Aquarist007 · 11/09/2009, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTL

I read that the Coral Beauty may be a problem in a reef tank, but then some people have not had any problems.

Was also thinking about:

Orchid Dottyback
Midas Blenny
Mandarin Goby (after I am sure the pods are sufficient). It will be difficult to quarintine the Goby unless I purchase pods to but in the QT.

also good choices
With the dottyback make sure you have plenty of live rock with caves for it. Its not a fish that you see very often except at meal times

the only trouble I have had with coral beauties is when I have tried to add another dwarf angel with it.

Aquarist007 · 11/09/2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webdizzy

How does this list look for a 46g with approx. 78lb LR and a Remora skimmer?

1 Midas Blenny
3 Green Chromis
1 Orchid Dottyback
1 Sixline Wrasse
2 Clownfish (pair)

OR

1 Midas Blenny
1 Dwarf Angel (instead of Chromis)
1 Orchid Dottyback
1 Sixline Wrasse
2 Clownfish (pair)

Too much???

good choices and not too much imo---the dottyback and wrasse will take advantage of all the live rock you have in there.
that's alot a live rock---do you have a picture of your tank you can post?

JTL · 11/10/2009, 04:55 AM

I have a black Brittle Star in my DT that so far has not had a chance to bother anything since all I have is a couple of Clowns. I did at one time have a Peppermint shrimp and that was fine. Do you think this will be problem with the smaller fish and especially a Mandarin Goby?

webdizzy · 11/10/2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capn_hylinur

do you have a picture of your tank you can post?

No photos yet. The LR is from Tampa Bay Saltwater. The tank is still cycling and settling in.

pazzo40 · 11/15/2009, 10:08 AM

28G Nano Cube here

1) Purple Firefish
2) Tail Spotted Blenny
3) Clown Fairy Wrasse

Possibly
4) Exquisite Fairy Wrasse
or
4) Lubbock's Fairy Wrasse

Please let me know what you think. Thanks

11/05/2009, 08:13 PM	#801
mike2155 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1	suggestions for new additions First of all, I just found this forum and have learned a lot. thanks to everyone who helps out us newbies... I have a 40-gallon tank with live rock and two "hang on back" filters. The tank has been up for about 3 months now. I have 2 clown fish, a 6-line wrasse, a bi-color dottyback and a watchman goby. I tried a royal gramma (twice). both times it just seemed to stay pretty much hidden in the rock and didn't come out. I think the 6-line was picking on them until they died. I also tried 3 of the blue-green chromis with the same results. I've been taking water samples weekly to the LFS and they say it is perfect. I also have a torch coral and a leather finger coral, both of which seem to be doing very well. I'd like some advice on corals to add as well as some possible fish additions. Thanks in advance for your help.

11/08/2009, 02:41 PM	#813
JTL Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Venice Island, FL Posts: 2,532	Very good information. I recently added the following: (2) Ocellaris Clowns Six Line Wrasse Tailspot Blenny Green Coral Goby Coral Beauty Cerith Snails and Nassrius Snails Copepods, ect to my refugium. Actually, everything but the clowns are in quarantine. What else might be appropriate. This is a 100g with a 30g sump. Plan on more softies and maybe some LPS. Last edited by JTL; 11/08/2009 at 03:28 PM.

11/09/2009, 01:37 PM	#820
webdizzy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Willoughby, Ohio Posts: 897	How does this list look for a 46g with approx. 78lb LR and a Remora skimmer? 1 Midas Blenny 3 Green Chromis 1 Orchid Dottyback 1 Sixline Wrasse 2 Clownfish (pair) OR 1 Midas Blenny 1 Dwarf Angel (instead of Chromis) 1 Orchid Dottyback 1 Sixline Wrasse 2 Clownfish (pair) Too much??? Last edited by webdizzy; 11/09/2009 at 01:49 PM.

11/15/2009, 10:08 AM	#825
pazzo40 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 34	28G Nano Cube here 1) Purple Firefish 2) Tail Spotted Blenny 3) Clown Fairy Wrasse Possibly 4) Exquisite Fairy Wrasse or 4) Lubbock's Fairy Wrasse Please let me know what you think. Thanks Last edited by pazzo40; 11/15/2009 at 10:14 AM.

11/06/2009, 06:04 PM	#804
Burkette Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 90	Ok guys...I've been reading this thread, and it seems like there is an abundance of info, but...I'm going to ask anyway. The first list is the fish I have, the second is the list of fish I would like to put in. Any thought are apreciated. Thanks in advance. Tank:125 gallon 2 koralia 4s iwaki return @ 800gph 3 VHO T5 5 footers, 1 full actinic, 2 50/50s 5 green chromis 2 lyretail anthias (1 male, 1 female0 2 pearly jawfish 1 diamond goby 1 lawnmower blenny(soon to be returned for credit when I catch him...he's a bully) What I would like to add, and would like suggestions on. ( I would like to jkeep everything reef safe, and non agressive, if possible. I dont want my fish to kill each other.) Some sort of puffer (for the wife) black occelaris (pair) Anenome(again, would like suggestions on what will host the occs, and will do ok in my tank) And I am looking for suggestions on other fish I may not have thought of. I am relatively new to the hobby, and am looking for hardy, non aggressive fish. Thanks guys!!!

11/06/2009, 11:39 PM	#806
krowleey Nor Cal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Redding, CA Posts: 533	125 RR tank 40 breeder sump hurricone cat 1 skimmer NEP 12x39 HO vortech mp40 220 lbs of LR, about 50 in the sump 2 inch sand bed 1 small hippo 1 yellow 1 kole 1 cardnial 5 chromis 1 yellow watch man/w pistol pair of false perc clowns i would like to add more fish, i really want a naso, i do have the skimmer to handle a big bioload. any thoughts?

11/07/2009, 05:26 PM	#807
kentamason Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 31	100 gal tank, LR, sump, fuge.....just added a blue hippo tang and another that I should have done more reading on first.....a foxface rabbitfish. Beautiful, hardy fish. I don't think I went wrong on that end....but I didn't know the part about him being a coral nipper. I only have some pulsing xenias and green star polyps at this point, but I was hoping to get into some LPS coral. Anybody have experience with these fish? Are the accusations true?

11/08/2009, 06:13 AM	#812
alaska clowns Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Not so far north Posts: 564	Thanks for this thread! It's helped me before.......and now I'm asking again..... I have 2 ocillaris clowns Bicolored blenny Red scooter Blennny I am moving to a 55 and these are the fish I would like to add to what I already have..... I REALLY want a yellow tang. I know, I know so how about: dwarf angel 2 yellow clown gobies royal gramma Would those four fit with what I have? I also have some soft corals (mushrooms, leather toadstool, zoos). Thank you so much for your help!

11/08/2009, 09:35 PM	#814
aquadonkey Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,253	Love this thread! Here are my plans: 29g - just finished the third week of cycling and I think I'm going to start with a CUC tomorrow. I want to start with two snails - make sure I can keep them alive, then slowly acquire the rest of the CUC - then the fish and corals. Here's my wish list: snails - haven't been able to find much information about which breeds are best and how to care for them - any references?? red starfish pom-pom crab 2 pep shrimp 2 blood red shrimp pair of ocillaris clowns pearly jawfish - about this choice, I'm still toying with the idea of going for a YWG/shrimp combo instead. Anyone with experience or tips, advice please! As for corals - I still have lots of research to do, but I'm leaning towards starting with softies. Thanks everyone!

11/08/2009, 11:59 PM	#818
aquadonkey Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,253	Great! I'll read through this stuff before bringing anyone home!

11/10/2009, 04:55 AM	#823
JTL Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Venice Island, FL Posts: 2,532	I have a black Brittle Star in my DT that so far has not had a chance to bother anything since all I have is a couple of Clowns. I did at one time have a Peppermint shrimp and that was fine. Do you think this will be problem with the smaller fish and especially a Mandarin Goby?