Melev's new 280g Starfire tank thread - Page 33

Lordhelmet · 08/01/2006, 10:44 PM

and he has A LOT of it. believe me. more then most LFS!

clkwrk · 08/01/2006, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melev
Here's the picture:

Positve AEFW

If you want I can post a pic that shows the same thing . I have delt with these guys and I am certain those are AEFW bite marks.

Electrobes · 08/02/2006, 07:30 AM

Ha, I am so used to being here in my town that it's either I.O., Sea Crystals, Tropic Marin, or bust really. I haven't seen Kent salt in so long!

Stile2 · 08/02/2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by clkwrk
Positve AEFW If you want I can post a pic that shows the same thing . I have delt with these guys and I am certain those are AEFW bite marks.

Sorry for the noobie question, but what are AEFW's

Thanks

jnarowe · 08/02/2006, 10:15 AM

The dreaded Acro Eating Flat Worms...I can hear the munching now.

raddogz · 08/02/2006, 12:21 PM

I'm dealing with these icky, fugly things and they are awful.

CaptainPicard · 08/02/2006, 01:00 PM

I just read through this whole threat, WOW LOL....
Alot of good stuff in here

jnarowe · 08/02/2006, 01:06 PM

Strange that we don't see them on Marc's coral though. Did they move on to another coral???

quiksilver · 08/02/2006, 03:12 PM

I have another acro from Marc's prop section in his sump that I put in my tank yesterday afternoon. What are my risks of AEFW?

itstheantitang · 08/02/2006, 03:18 PM

Would Flatworm eXit work to kill them?

Dudester · 08/02/2006, 03:25 PM

itstheantitang - Nope, FWE won't touch AEFW's. Check out this thread. AEFW's are a nightmare - I hope Marc doesn't have them (you too, quiksilver)!

By the way, what do you have against tangs anyway

itstheantitang · 08/02/2006, 03:38 PM

I like tangs, its just the tang I have is evil!!!!

I remember seeing that thread a while ago, wasn't it a nominee for thread of the month?

clkwrk · 08/02/2006, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jnarowe
Strange that we don't see them on Marc's coral though. Did they move on to another coral???

? AEFW'S are very hard to spot and can reproduce at a very small size.

jnarowe · 08/02/2006, 05:39 PM

I was just trying to instill panic man...

clkwrk · 08/02/2006, 06:22 PM

Tbduval · 08/02/2006, 07:48 PM

Melev, are you still dosing the stuff you were using a few months ago? If so, how do you think the tank is doing with with them?

melev · 08/02/2006, 10:36 PM

AEFW - I finally got my own collection of them, so I can put some on my I.D. page.

My A. valida looked pretty bad over the past week, and I thought it was an alkalinity issue. Turns out I was wrong.

Here is is, back on June 13, looking happy:

And then again, on July 28th, super close up:

Several people informed me early this morning that they are AEFW. Not really sure, I pulled the coral out of my tank, and blasted it in a while bowl of water (.25g perhaps) with 4 drops of Lugol's Solution. Here's what I found.

Some were large, like the one above, and many were very tiny. They are virtually invisible to the naked eye when studying a coral. A few more pictures to give you some perspective.

And finally, my little coral. It was a mere twig last September, and finally it is something I can hold in my hand. The question is will it survive... I blasted it off repeatedly, and redipped it in new bowls of iodine three times. When I put it back in the tank, the flow caused many of the now-white flatworms to blow around, only to land elsewhere. Now the rest of my corals can be part of the party too.

My Copperband Butterfly ate a few.

I seriously doubt I'll treat my corals in a separate system. Humm.

melev · 08/02/2006, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tbduval
Melev, are you still dosing the stuff you were using a few months ago? If so, how do you think the tank is doing with with them?

I dose it (Prodibio) on and off as I feel like it, not every 14 days like clockwork.

raddogz · 08/02/2006, 10:43 PM

Marc - I suggest either pulling all the sps out and treating or if pulling out each and every sps and dip & blow with a turkey baster every few days.

Also inspect for eggs as well. Once the flatworms reach to that big size you can expect they are or have been laying eggs. Iodine will not kill the eggs.

I was/am coral sitting for a friend. I lost over a third of over two dozen frags and mini-colonies of sps. I wanted to cry, and began to see why some people wanted to give up on sps entirely or even get out of the hobby.

I was even beginning to ponder to turn my newly setup (two year in the making) 120g into a fowlr tank.

Quarentine and dip everything is my mantra.

melev · 08/02/2006, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dudester
itstheantitang - Nope, FWE won't touch AEFW's. Check out this thread. AEFW's are a nightmare - I hope Marc doesn't have them (you too, quiksilver)!

Thanks for the link. I'll be reading it in detail.

jnarowe · 08/02/2006, 10:51 PM

The "dip" you are talking about is Lugols?

melev · 08/02/2006, 10:52 PM

raddogz, once I read the method others have been using, I'll decide if I go that route. I need to know more, like what species they prefer and which will they ignore - do they like Acropora millepora, for example? I have a tank full of those, and they look perfectly happy.

It would be nice to figure out where these came from. And what they tend to hang out upon, as I have a prop section full of corals. Would they hitchhike on zoanthids and leathers, for example, or do they tend to congregate on SPS only, and then which kinds specifically? I've never tackled this topic because it wasn't something I was dealing with, so I'm going to have to do some homework.

I wish I wasn't so busy work-wise right now, because I'll need to dedicate some time to this obviously.

jnarowe · 08/02/2006, 10:59 PM

Maybe you need a stand-in stripper??

raddogz · 08/02/2006, 11:14 PM

They seem to like Valida, and millie's the most.

You will have to look for the eggs usually at the base or in the v-shaped areas where the branches sprout from the base of the coral. Once you find the eggs, scrape them off (I used an old paring knife) umm, not in the tank.

When I first noticed it, a really nice blue hoeksemai frag was bleaching from the bottom up and the next day it was gone. I attributed it to the rough ride home from my friend's place. Then a simplex started to turn white, I pruned the white rtn piece, and it kept spreading, pruned again and by the next day I pulled the whole colony out. Not only did it have flatworms, but eggs as well. I wound up losing a gorgeous seven inch by six inch colony.

raddogz · 08/02/2006, 11:15 PM

They seem to like Valida, and millie's the most.

You will have to look for the eggs usually at the base or in the v-shaped areas where the branches sprout from the base of the coral. Once you find the eggs, scrape them off (I used an old paring knife) umm, not in the tank.

When I first noticed it, a really nice blue hoeksemai frag was bleaching from the bottom up and the next day it was gone. I attributed it to the rough ride home from my friend's place. Then a simplex started to turn white, I pruned the white rtn piece, and it kept spreading, pruned again and by the next day I pulled the whole colony out. Not only did it have flatworms, but eggs as well. I wound up losing a gorgeous seven inch by six inch colony.

Good luck. There is a ton of info here on RC. FWIW - I have been treating with Tropic Marine's Pro Coral Care, and for the moment under control.

08/01/2006, 10:44 PM	#801
Lordhelmet Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,008	and he has A LOT of it. believe me. more then most LFS! __________________ I need a new signiture Current Tank Info: 90 gallon, 14 gallon

08/02/2006, 07:30 AM	#803
Electrobes Montipora type guy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fort Myers, FL Posts: 2,945	Ha, I am so used to being here in my town that it's either I.O., Sea Crystals, Tropic Marin, or bust really. I haven't seen Kent salt in so long! __________________ Christian Current Tank Info: 100G Half Cylinder

08/02/2006, 10:15 AM	#805
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	The dreaded Acro Eating Flat Worms...I can hear the munching now. __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

08/02/2006, 12:21 PM	#806
raddogz Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,167	I'm dealing with these icky, fugly things and they are awful. __________________ Eileen If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style. - Quentin Crisp Current Tank Info: 180g Reef

08/02/2006, 01:06 PM	#808
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Strange that we don't see them on Marc's coral though. Did they move on to another coral??? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

08/02/2006, 01:00 PM	#807
CaptainPicard Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 110	I just read through this whole threat, WOW LOL.... Alot of good stuff in here

08/02/2006, 03:12 PM	#809
quiksilver Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 809	I have another acro from Marc's prop section in his sump that I put in my tank yesterday afternoon. What are my risks of AEFW? __________________ "You sir, lose at forum posting. Please insert quarter and try again." Current Tank Info: Ultimate 29g, 250w MH + 65w PC, Euroreef RS-80, 25 gallon custom sump/fuge, inifinity prop tank, mag7 return, Vortech x 2, Magnavore Reactor, UV Sterilizer

08/02/2006, 03:18 PM	#810
itstheantitang Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 477	Would Flatworm eXit work to kill them? __________________ Ignore the smoke and smile...

08/02/2006, 03:25 PM	#811
Dudester Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,218	itstheantitang - Nope, FWE won't touch AEFW's. Check out this thread. AEFW's are a nightmare - I hope Marc doesn't have them (you too, quiksilver)! By the way, what do you have against tangs anyway __________________ The Dude abides Current Tank Info: building a new home tank l 450g office tank with Deltec everything

08/02/2006, 03:38 PM	#812
itstheantitang Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 477	I like tangs, its just the tang I have is evil!!!! I remember seeing that thread a while ago, wasn't it a nominee for thread of the month? __________________ Ignore the smoke and smile...

08/02/2006, 05:39 PM	#814
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	I was just trying to instill panic man... __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

08/02/2006, 06:22 PM	#815
clkwrk Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Mesa ,Az Posts: 10,257	__________________ ------- Feel free to use my photos for ONLY informative sites, education or enjoyment.All I ask is to include my Reef Central User id and where you got the photo ( RC).

08/02/2006, 07:48 PM	#816
Tbduval Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 369	Melev, are you still dosing the stuff you were using a few months ago? If so, how do you think the tank is doing with with them?

08/02/2006, 10:36 PM	#817
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	AEFW - I finally got my own collection of them, so I can put some on my I.D. page. My A. valida looked pretty bad over the past week, and I thought it was an alkalinity issue. Turns out I was wrong. Here is is, back on June 13, looking happy: And then again, on July 28th, super close up: Several people informed me early this morning that they are AEFW. Not really sure, I pulled the coral out of my tank, and blasted it in a while bowl of water (.25g perhaps) with 4 drops of Lugol's Solution. Here's what I found. Some were large, like the one above, and many were very tiny. They are virtually invisible to the naked eye when studying a coral. A few more pictures to give you some perspective. And finally, my little coral. It was a mere twig last September, and finally it is something I can hold in my hand. The question is will it survive... I blasted it off repeatedly, and redipped it in new bowls of iodine three times. When I put it back in the tank, the flow caused many of the now-white flatworms to blow around, only to land elsewhere. Now the rest of my corals can be part of the party too. My Copperband Butterfly ate a few. I seriously doubt I'll treat my corals in a separate system. Humm.

08/02/2006, 10:43 PM	#819
raddogz Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,167	Marc - I suggest either pulling all the sps out and treating or if pulling out each and every sps and dip & blow with a turkey baster every few days. Also inspect for eggs as well. Once the flatworms reach to that big size you can expect they are or have been laying eggs. Iodine will not kill the eggs. I was/am coral sitting for a friend. I lost over a third of over two dozen frags and mini-colonies of sps. I wanted to cry, and began to see why some people wanted to give up on sps entirely or even get out of the hobby. I was even beginning to ponder to turn my newly setup (two year in the making) 120g into a fowlr tank. Quarentine and dip everything is my mantra. __________________ Eileen If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style. - Quentin Crisp Current Tank Info: 180g Reef

08/02/2006, 10:51 PM	#821
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	The "dip" you are talking about is Lugols? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

08/02/2006, 10:52 PM	#822
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	raddogz, once I read the method others have been using, I'll decide if I go that route. I need to know more, like what species they prefer and which will they ignore - do they like Acropora millepora, for example? I have a tank full of those, and they look perfectly happy. It would be nice to figure out where these came from. And what they tend to hang out upon, as I have a prop section full of corals. Would they hitchhike on zoanthids and leathers, for example, or do they tend to congregate on SPS only, and then which kinds specifically? I've never tackled this topic because it wasn't something I was dealing with, so I'm going to have to do some homework. I wish I wasn't so busy work-wise right now, because I'll need to dedicate some time to this obviously.

08/02/2006, 10:59 PM	#823
jnarowe Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Poulsbo, WA Posts: 14,710	Maybe you need a stand-in stripper?? __________________ Jonathan--Recovering Tankaholic. Current Tank Info: 70g fresh planted

08/02/2006, 11:14 PM	#824
raddogz Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,167	They seem to like Valida, and millie's the most. You will have to look for the eggs usually at the base or in the v-shaped areas where the branches sprout from the base of the coral. Once you find the eggs, scrape them off (I used an old paring knife) umm, not in the tank. When I first noticed it, a really nice blue hoeksemai frag was bleaching from the bottom up and the next day it was gone. I attributed it to the rough ride home from my friend's place. Then a simplex started to turn white, I pruned the white rtn piece, and it kept spreading, pruned again and by the next day I pulled the whole colony out. Not only did it have flatworms, but eggs as well. I wound up losing a gorgeous seven inch by six inch colony. __________________ Eileen If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style. - Quentin Crisp Current Tank Info: 180g Reef

08/02/2006, 11:15 PM	#825
raddogz Premium Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,167	They seem to like Valida, and millie's the most. You will have to look for the eggs usually at the base or in the v-shaped areas where the branches sprout from the base of the coral. Once you find the eggs, scrape them off (I used an old paring knife) umm, not in the tank. When I first noticed it, a really nice blue hoeksemai frag was bleaching from the bottom up and the next day it was gone. I attributed it to the rough ride home from my friend's place. Then a simplex started to turn white, I pruned the white rtn piece, and it kept spreading, pruned again and by the next day I pulled the whole colony out. Not only did it have flatworms, but eggs as well. I wound up losing a gorgeous seven inch by six inch colony. Good luck. There is a ton of info here on RC. FWIW - I have been treating with Tropic Marine's Pro Coral Care, and for the moment under control. __________________ Eileen If at first you don't succeed, failure may be your style. - Quentin Crisp Current Tank Info: 180g Reef