anyone tried to using Jebo WP40?

[dartier]

Originally Posted by nettraptor

Hello there.
Could you tell me please why you use low pass filter? , you are using this for the ReefAngel?

i am trying to make my own controller with a arduino mega.

The low pass filter is used to convert the 5V PWM into an 0-5V analog output that the pimp motor requires. The original Chinese controller also used a low pass filter as the microcontroller in it also produced a 5V PWM natively.

For an Arduino, this would be the easiest way of converting your PWM output to the need 5V analog.

The ReefAngel uses the Arduino platform as its development environment as well as the same Atmel (328P/Mega) microcontrollers.

Dennis

[Dino]

Originally Posted by jrp1588

Reefcentral hates ebay links? News to me, I assume they don't like people potentially advertizing their own stuff?

Its not that RC hates ebay or has anything against them, but you nailed it with your second sentence. Links to off-site sales are generally not allowed as it unfortunately has not been an uncommon thing for somebody to pop up out of nowhere going "HEY! Look at these awesome _____ I found on ______!" and it turns out with a little digging its their own sale or a sale put up by somebody they know that otherwise would not be able to sell on here.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread!

[SimonSKL]

Originally Posted by SteelMastiff

I have decided after fighting with my 4, four week old Koralia 3250’s running on a Smartwave, that the non starting, clunking, and overall poor performance of these units has prompted me to just give up and return them for a refund. I have spent the last four weeks emailing back and forth with Hydor only to eventually be told send the units back to them. They do flow a ton of water, but only one of the 4 units actually starts up without issue, the other 3 units clunk three times, and just shut down 80% of the time; very disappointing to say the least. Fortunately for me, the online retailer I purchased them from offers a 60 day return policy, which I intend to make use of this week.

This is my dream tank build, and although these units were only intended to be a short term solution until I could replenish my build funds for something with more bells and whistles, they have just proved to be a complete and utter waste of time… I have always had good luck with the smaller Koralia’s in the past, but obviously these big boys are a different animal…

I just finished reading this thread in its entirety and I must say, these units sound impressive. This thread has prompted me to go ahead and pull the trigger and place an order. But like many others, I would like some input from those that are already running these units as to how many you might recommend for my tank. This tank has been up and running for less than a month, and will be a fowlr tank for a while, that will gradually become a reef tank down the road as a lighting upgrades are made.

The tank is approximately 320 gallons; the dimensions are 96” L x 30” W x 26” H.

I am thinking two of the WP-40’s might be enough for an 8ft tank after watching some of the videos, but perhaps three of them might leave no doubts in the flow department; or would it be overkill? I know when I took the Koralia 3250’s off the Smartwave and actually got them to all come on at once, it was a ridiculous amount of flow.

Not sure, 2 or 3, what say you?

Despite the large volume of water the WP40 can move, it is still a stream pump with a flow pattern narrower than Vortech MP40. With your 30" width tank, I would suggest a third WP40 is needed. If it is too much, you can always dial it down with a variable power supply.

[treetopflyn]

Originally Posted by treetopflyn

Here is a little a video I just shot. I have it set to W1 at 18.5v. I am starting to think I might not need another pump at all. The other two in the tank are not plugged in. Please excuse the messy tank. I'll clean it up when I am done playing with the pump

What ya think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV5Ce...ature=youtu.be

Anyone else?

[topjimmy]

I got mine Saturday. I have it in a standard 65g. I keep it on low w1 for now. When I tried some of the different modes I looked like a hurricane was passing through. It did stir up tons of stuff from hard to clean spots. So far I love it. I may need to buy a voltage regulator or a small PS, to get to use all the functions. I do have a reefangel, but the built in PWM is being used for my led. I would prob have to buy the expansion modal to use it with the pump.

[treetopflyn]

Originally Posted by topjimmy

I got mine Saturday. I have it in a standard 65g. I keep it on low w1 for now. When I tried some of the different modes I looked like a hurricane was passing through. It did stir up tons of stuff from hard to clean spots. So far I love it. I may need to buy a voltage regulator or a small PS, to get to use all the functions. I do have a reefangel, but the built in PWM is being used for my led. I would prob have to buy the expansion modal to use it with the pump.

I am surprised you can use it in a tank that small without a voltage regulator. On W1 in my tank there is no way I could run at full voltage or it would spill over the sides.

[Ron Reefman]

I have been running mine at 18v in a 180g and even then it has blown over a Fiji yellow leather so bad that I had to move the pump. And I don't mean it blew over the rock, it literally forced the coral to lay down almost flat over a couple of weeks! I'm looking forward to the WP25 and would like to run 2 if I can.

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

I have been running mine at 18v in a 180g and even then it has blown over a Fiji yellow leather so bad that I had to move the pump. And I don't mean it blew over the rock, it literally forced the coral to lay down almost flat over a couple of weeks! I'm looking forward to the WP25 and would like to run 2 if I can.

Mine blew a 4 inch SPS right off the rock. lol

I had to turn the pump toward the front glass to not hit the coral directly, and this is at any voltage. Pretty crazy

[fltekdiver]

I just emailed them to cancelled my order for the WP40 and asked to send me
(2) WP25 , and when can I expect them , as I know their not out yet..

I have a 120 gallon tank, I'm just setting up , I don't need them for another. Month or so

[treetopflyn]

Originally Posted by bhazard451

Mine blew a 4 inch SPS right off the rock. lol

I had to turn the pump toward the front glass to not hit the coral directly, and this is at any voltage. Pretty crazy

I had to put my in the middle water column behind my rocks to help control it.

[serpent]

If these have a 5V PWM, then the Steve's LED module should have worked (if it was running the same frequency). Those boards are based off an Arduino. bhazard hooked the pump up to one earlier and couldn't get it to work. I am interested in seeing how we get these interfaced.

On the RA, are you able to run these in sync/anit-sync modes without the controller?

[Chas]

Originally Posted by serpent

If these have a 5V PWM, then the Steve's LED module should have worked (if it was running the same frequency).

The pumps need 0-5v analog. Roberto used a low pass filter on the PWM to get it to work. I would imagine using a low pass filter on the Steve's LED module would do the same but I'm not familiar with it and can't say for sure.

Originally Posted by serpent

On the RA, are you able to run these in sync/anit-sync modes without the controller?

Out of the box, not yet. It certainly won't take much to code it though. I'm sure once the RA adapter/harness is out people will be coding for this and it might eventually get merged into the RA source as a seperate class.

[serpent]

Thanks. I am just wondering what would be required for interfacing with the Apex module. The board that elFloyd referenced earlier is said to be working, but that is a 0-10V interface.

[SteelMastiff]

Originally Posted by SimonSKL

Despite the large volume of water the WP40 can move, it is still a stream pump with a flow pattern narrower than Vortech MP40. With your 30" width tank, I would suggest a third WP40 is needed. If it is too much, you can always dial it down with a variable power supply.

Thanks for the advice, just what I was looking for...

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by Chas

The pumps need 0-5v analog. Roberto used a low pass filter on the PWM to get it to work. I would imagine using a low pass filter on the Steve's LED module would do the same but I'm not familiar with it and can't say for sure.

Out of the box, not yet. It certainly won't take much to code it though. I'm sure once the RA adapter/harness is out people will be coding for this and it might eventually get merged into the RA source as a seperate class.

This. Nothing PWM will work unless the low pass filter is implemented. Technically, I could probably use the harness with the Stevesled converter the same way the RA will be controlled.

The 0-10v module floyd has might be the best option though, since it keeps the original controller's wave modes. I'm testing that next.

BTW, connecting the VA wire to an Apex cord directly on the positive side and providing less than 5v doesn't spin the pump either. Tried that too.

[serpent]

Thanks bhazard for the info. So the harness will eliminate the pump controller and interface directly with the pumps?

I was wanting to interface directly to the Apex and program it to control the waves. That way I have access to feed modes, sync, etc. If I have to use the controller that came with the pumps, it would not be the end of the world.

[Chas]

Originally Posted by serpent

Thanks. I am just wondering what would be required for interfacing with the Apex module. The board that elFloyd referenced earlier is said to be working, but that is a 0-10V interface.

As long as it's analog (not familiar with Apex) it should work. You would need to limit it to 0-5v in your code. Either that or use the RA adapter if you can. I think Roboerto put some extra gizmuchies (non-technical term for electronic parts/pieces) in the harness to cut the feed in half. I believe the harness will work for either PWM or analog feed too. Best to check the thread over on the RA forums to be sure though.

~Charlie

[Chas]

Originally Posted by Chas

As long as it's analog (not familiar with Apex) it should work. You would need to limit it to 0-5v in your code. Either that or use the RA adapter if you can. I think Roboerto put some extra gizmuchies (non-technical term for electronic parts/pieces) in the harness to cut the feed in half. I believe the harness will work for either PWM or analog feed too. Best to check the thread over on the RA forums to be sure though.

~Charlie

See post #841 just above. Apparently that will not work for the Apex.

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by serpent

Thanks bhazard for the info. So the harness will eliminate the pump controller and interface directly with the pumps?

I was wanting to interface directly to the Apex and program it to control the waves. That way I have access to feed modes, sync, etc. If I have to use the controller that came with the pumps, it would not be the end of the world.

There are multiple ways to go about control. With the 0-10v module, technically you could just set it on the high power mode, and still control the pump however you'd like with the Apex. If you wanted the randomness of the ELSE mode, you would still be able to use it, and have the Apex control its intensity.

Interfacing directly to the pump with the Apex will lose the ability to access the other modes. Since the Apex doesn't have a random mode for the pumps, it would be beneficial to keep the controller in the chain.

[ctlegacy]

This is a repeat, but no one answered.

Any thoughts as to whether or not you could SPLICE two pumps to one controller???

I would like the pumps to work in sync. Pretty hard to do manually.

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by ctlegacy

This is a repeat, but no one answered.

Any thoughts as to whether or not you could SPLICE two pumps to one controller???

I would like the pumps to work in sync. Pretty hard to do manually.

Splice and share power? No.

[serpent]

Originally Posted by bhazard451

There are multiple ways to go about control. With the 0-10v module, technically you could just set it on the high power mode, and still control the pump however you'd like with the Apex. If you wanted the randomness of the ELSE mode, you would still be able to use it, and have the Apex control its intensity.

Interfacing directly to the pump with the Apex will lose the ability to access the other modes. Since the Apex doesn't have a random mode for the pumps, it would be beneficial to keep the controller in the chain.

Oh, so these can't be interfaced like the Tunze pumps. I was assuming they would.

I just didn't want my 2 pumps running at full blast at the same time. I wanted one to run at a max power, while the other was running at a low speed, then reverse after a time.

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by serpent

Oh, so these can't be interfaced like the Tunze pumps. I was assuming they would.

I just didn't want my 2 pumps running at full blast at the same time. I wanted one to run at a max power, while the other was running at a low speed, then reverse after a time.

With two 0-10v PWM modules, you can do that. You can either have the pumps share one ethernet cord to the apex, or use two ethernet cords if the two VDM ports arent being used. You can then synch the pumps via the apex, or program them however you want.

[serpent]

Okay, while still using the controller in ELSE mode?

[SteelMastiff]

Just ordered 3 WP-40's, now comes the waiting... Anyone else go thru the pre-order process? If so, any remembrance of time frame until shipped?