All you EVER wanted to know about Southdown - Page 34

kane4187 · 10/02/2005, 03:19 PM

Im still looking for about 250 lbs of this stuff.

wmfsoll2 · 10/29/2005, 09:09 PM

WOW! So many opinions. This has been a very interesting thread to read and for those of us who are new to saltwater, a little confusing on which type of sand is the best to use, but I am starting to get the idea. Thanx A lot.

Jamesurq · 10/29/2005, 10:05 PM

You read the whole thing?

That's dedication!

wmfsoll2 · 10/30/2005, 04:06 PM

Well i was trying to make sure that i was well informed.
And it never hurts to read.

Scuba_Dave · 10/30/2005, 05:25 PM

Perhaps instead of throwing sand out people will now clean it & recycle / re-use it now
I still have some stockpiled for my next tank

wmfsoll2 · 10/31/2005, 11:18 PM

How do you recycle Sand?
How do you store stand?

WaterKeeper · 11/01/2005, 09:43 AM

Well you put the sand in a very hot furnace and make nice glass flower pots out of it.

I know of no way to recycle sand. You can reactivate older sand by adding new LS to it or buying a detrivore kit. Doc Ron recommends doing that every couple of years.

Storage for any length of time can be a real headache. In an environment where there is little detritus or food getting to the sand the pods and such will decline and finally disappear. One can add a pinch of food to the slightly submerged sand from time to time to slow,but not entirely prevent, this decline. I'd say after about 2-3 months you will need to reactivate the sand in some way if you plan to use it in the near future.

Radicaljbr · 11/01/2005, 10:18 AM

If I can add my nonexpertise 2 cents worth. This thread is about southdown sand which is bought in bags at your local harware store or landscaping store where playsand is sold. This sand is non active and dead when bought (am I right so far?). You have to activate it some how by more LS, LR and a detrivore kit mentioned by TOM. If you wanted to recycle it, I would wash it clean and then let dry and wait for next tank setup. Then use as you would when buying it from the HD store. I would not use it straight from one tank to another as it might be toxic after mixing it all up.

Does this sound correct? Anyone? Because this is what I plan on doing.

WaterKeeper · 11/01/2005, 10:28 AM

Sounds good to me. Sure if you want to store Southdown, or any other sand, as base sand just give it a good washing and let it air dry for a few days. Then store it. Even better is to soak it in a fairly strong bleach solution ( a quarter cup per gallon) for a couple of days then rinse well and let it air dry before storage. The latter method pretty much gets it back to the original condition and avoids some decomposition when you get ready to reuse it. When that time comes just seed with LS or a kit.

Thanks for bringing that up Rad. I assumed Wmf was talking about storing LS.

After a thread reaches 34 pages it is easy to lose track of the original subject.

Octoberfest · 11/21/2005, 04:08 PM

In case anyone in the CT, Eastern NY, or Western Mass. area is looking for Soutdown sand I just purchased some at a store called Agway in Westfield, Mass. when I was home on vacation.

Pretty funny story, but the cliff notes of it would be that bringing back a couple bags of play sand on a flight from Mass to North Carolina went over a little wierd with the baggage screeners and the TSA at the airport. It took them a while before the realized that it actually was Play Sand. It was cheaper than mailing it and since all I brought was a carry on it worked out for me.

WaterKeeper · 11/22/2005, 11:58 AM

Hi Forest

To Reef Central

Just tell the Airport security you plan to bomb someone back into the Stone Age.

jarhed · 11/22/2005, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WaterKeeper
Just tell the Airport security you plan to bomb someone back into the Stone Age.

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BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!

kevin21 · 11/22/2005, 06:20 PM

if i am on long island...where should i go to purchase this. you said that it was in that store is mass. i cant take a drive that far though! i tried my home depots and nobody has it...anysuggestions??? i really need this sand quick!

Ugly-one · 11/22/2005, 07:38 PM

here is suggestion ......might be bad one and might be a good one depends how you /we look at it .
.lets call the store an do a group purchase from that store !

I know ill take 10 bags!

kevin21 · 11/22/2005, 07:47 PM

yes but im on long island, i will have no way of picking it up!

Ugly-one · 11/22/2005, 08:14 PM

It was just a suggestion ! ;0)

frank10 · 01/09/2006, 08:31 AM

Anyone know of southdown sources in the cleveland ohio area? The LFS is selling carib sea sand for over $50 for a 40 pound bag.

Radicaljbr · 01/09/2006, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frank10
Anyone know of southdown sources in the cleveland ohio area? The LFS is selling carib sea sand for over $50 for a 40 pound bag.

Canton Road Garden Center in Akron.

Check out the thread below. I think they are out and will not have it in till spring. You would have to call. They keep it in back just for reefers.

You do know it has not been called southdown in a while. I thing the name of it now is Yardright or something. The Cleveland forum is the best place to ask these questions in my opinion.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=728225

Hope this helps

Radicaljbr · 01/09/2006, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by frank10
Anyone know of southdown sources in the cleveland ohio area? The LFS is selling carib sea sand for over $50 for a 40 pound bag.

You should also look into joining C-SEA.

It is worth it I think.

frank10 · 01/09/2006, 08:44 AM

I'll make a post in the cleveland forum.

I did call the Canton Road Garden Center. She knew what I was talking about but didn't know when or if they would be getting more in.

I'm planning on joining at the next monthly meeting. It looks like a great group.

Quote:

Originally posted by Radicaljbr
Canton Road Garden Center in Akron.

Check out the thread below. I think they are out and will not have it in till spring. You would have to call. They keep it in back just for reefers.

You do know it has not been called southdown in a while. I thing the name of it now is Yardright or something. The Cleveland forum is the best place to ask these questions in my opinion.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...hreadid=728225

Hope this helps

NCreefwannabe · 01/14/2006, 10:20 PM

So what would be the best way to try and get some in North Carolina?? Id like to get some for my 55 gallon before I start with CC.

NCreefwannabe · 01/14/2006, 10:42 PM

I also heard that Old Castle is the same stuff. Anyone able to verify this?
Should I use only this for my dsb? or mix it with some other sand?

DgenR8 · 01/15/2006, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NCreefwannabe
I also heard that Old Castle is the same stuff. Anyone able to verify this?
Should I use only this for my dsb? or mix it with some other sand?

This is correct, many people have reported that it is no longer sold as "Southdown" but is now marketed under the nameS "Old Castle" and "Yard right"

kane4187 · 01/15/2006, 09:36 AM

Still looking for 250 to 300 pounds of this stuff.

Superorb · 01/15/2006, 03:51 PM

gl in florida. i gave up a while ago...

10/29/2005, 09:09 PM	#827
wmfsoll2 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 222	WOW! So many opinions. This has been a very interesting thread to read and for those of us who are new to saltwater, a little confusing on which type of sand is the best to use, but I am starting to get the idea. Thanx A lot. __________________ Bill. Thomas Edison : "SUCCESS is 90% ATTITUDE and 10% KNOWLEDGE" Current Tank Info: Setting up new 90 Gal.

10/30/2005, 04:06 PM	#829
wmfsoll2 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 222	Well i was trying to make sure that i was well informed. And it never hurts to read. __________________ Bill. Thomas Edison : "SUCCESS is 90% ATTITUDE and 10% KNOWLEDGE" Current Tank Info: Setting up new 90 Gal.

10/31/2005, 11:18 PM	#831
wmfsoll2 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California, Maryland Posts: 222	How do you recycle Sand? How do you store stand? __________________ Bill. Thomas Edison : "SUCCESS is 90% ATTITUDE and 10% KNOWLEDGE" Current Tank Info: Setting up new 90 Gal.

11/01/2005, 09:43 AM	#832
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	Well you put the sand in a very hot furnace and make nice glass flower pots out of it. I know of no way to recycle sand. You can reactivate older sand by adding new LS to it or buying a detrivore kit. Doc Ron recommends doing that every couple of years. Storage for any length of time can be a real headache. In an environment where there is little detritus or food getting to the sand the pods and such will decline and finally disappear. One can add a pinch of food to the slightly submerged sand from time to time to slow,but not entirely prevent, this decline. I'd say after about 2-3 months you will need to reactivate the sand in some way if you plan to use it in the near future. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/01/2005, 10:28 AM	#834
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	Sounds good to me. Sure if you want to store Southdown, or any other sand, as base sand just give it a good washing and let it air dry for a few days. Then store it. Even better is to soak it in a fairly strong bleach solution ( a quarter cup per gallon) for a couple of days then rinse well and let it air dry before storage. The latter method pretty much gets it back to the original condition and avoids some decomposition when you get ready to reuse it. When that time comes just seed with LS or a kit. Thanks for bringing that up Rad. I assumed Wmf was talking about storing LS. After a thread reaches 34 pages it is easy to lose track of the original subject. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

10/02/2005, 03:19 PM	#826
kane4187 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Port Saint Lucie,FL Posts: 114	Im still looking for about 250 lbs of this stuff.

10/29/2005, 10:05 PM	#828
Jamesurq Moved On Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 5,470	You read the whole thing? That's dedication!

10/30/2005, 05:25 PM	#830
Scuba_Dave EMERTXE YID Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Asylum, South of Boston, MA Posts: 10,362	Perhaps instead of throwing sand out people will now clean it & recycle / re-use it now I still have some stockpiled for my next tank

11/01/2005, 10:18 AM	#833
Radicaljbr Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Hudson, Ohio Posts: 1,293	If I can add my nonexpertise 2 cents worth. This thread is about southdown sand which is bought in bags at your local harware store or landscaping store where playsand is sold. This sand is non active and dead when bought (am I right so far?). You have to activate it some how by more LS, LR and a detrivore kit mentioned by TOM. If you wanted to recycle it, I would wash it clean and then let dry and wait for next tank setup. Then use as you would when buying it from the HD store. I would not use it straight from one tank to another as it might be toxic after mixing it all up. Does this sound correct? Anyone? Because this is what I plan on doing.

11/21/2005, 04:08 PM	#835
Octoberfest Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NC Posts: 1,350	In case anyone in the CT, Eastern NY, or Western Mass. area is looking for Soutdown sand I just purchased some at a store called Agway in Westfield, Mass. when I was home on vacation. Pretty funny story, but the cliff notes of it would be that bringing back a couple bags of play sand on a flight from Mass to North Carolina went over a little wierd with the baggage screeners and the TSA at the airport. It took them a while before the realized that it actually was Play Sand. It was cheaper than mailing it and since all I brought was a carry on it worked out for me. __________________ 29 gallon bio-cube with 150w metal halide sunpod fixture, stock 14 gallon bio-cube

11/22/2005, 11:58 AM	#836
WaterKeeper Bogus Information Expert Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 16,147	Hi Forest *To Reef Central* Just tell the Airport security you plan to bomb someone back into the Stone Age. __________________ "Leading the information hungry reefer down the road to starvation" Tom Current Tank Info: 130 Now out of service and a 29

11/22/2005, 06:20 PM	#838
kevin21 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 2,208	if i am on long island...where should i go to purchase this. you said that it was in that store is mass. i cant take a drive that far though! i tried my home depots and nobody has it...anysuggestions??? i really need this sand quick! __________________ Kevin Current Tank Info: Waterbox 50g, Tunze 9004 dc skimmer, Vortech mp10, Kessil ap700

11/22/2005, 07:38 PM	#839
Ugly-one Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montrose Posts: 80	here is suggestion ......might be bad one and might be a good one depends how you /we look at it . .lets call the store an do a group purchase from that store ! I know ill take 10 bags!

11/22/2005, 07:47 PM	#840
kevin21 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 2,208	yes but im on long island, i will have no way of picking it up! __________________ Kevin Current Tank Info: Waterbox 50g, Tunze 9004 dc skimmer, Vortech mp10, Kessil ap700

11/22/2005, 08:14 PM	#841
Ugly-one Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Montrose Posts: 80	It was just a suggestion ! ;0)

01/09/2006, 08:31 AM	#842
frank10 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 219	Anyone know of southdown sources in the cleveland ohio area? The LFS is selling carib sea sand for over $50 for a 40 pound bag.

01/14/2006, 10:20 PM	#846
NCreefwannabe Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 953	So what would be the best way to try and get some in North Carolina?? Id like to get some for my 55 gallon before I start with CC.

01/14/2006, 10:42 PM	#847
NCreefwannabe Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 953	I also heard that Old Castle is the same stuff. Anyone able to verify this? Should I use only this for my dsb? or mix it with some other sand?

01/15/2006, 09:36 AM	#849
kane4187 Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Port Saint Lucie,FL Posts: 114	Still looking for 250 to 300 pounds of this stuff.

01/15/2006, 03:51 PM	#850
Superorb Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 430	gl in florida. i gave up a while ago...