Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted??? - Page 34

msman825 · 11/13/2006, 10:05 AM

creetin clean your pm box out

Paulairduck · 11/13/2006, 06:05 PM

I have my ati bubblemaster 200 running for 48 hrs and no NOG, getting worried about my fish and sps corals, might have to reinstall the euro reef for safety.

skimmer is running in 7 inches of water and kept stable by my tunze osmolator???????? on 100 gallon with 12 fish and about 20 corals

UCanDoIt · 11/13/2006, 06:08 PM

Pics?

UCanDoIt · 11/13/2006, 06:09 PM

After the first collection cup cleaning, it took around 4 hours for the first drop of skimmate to hit the bottom of the collection cup. Skimmate lighter greenish-brown today.

Paulairduck · 11/13/2006, 06:11 PM

I updated my last post, it is the ATI 200, I am in the process of getting pics

Paulairduck · 11/13/2006, 07:18 PM

here are the pics

I can not get the pics to show up, so they are in my gallery, if somebody know's how to post the pics of the 200, go ahead!!!

Maximus · 11/13/2006, 07:31 PM

Nice pics Paul. How does the 200 compare with the APF 600?

Mchava · 11/13/2006, 08:26 PM

Paulairduck · 11/14/2006, 12:56 AM

Right now I want my apf 600 back, but I am going to give this skimmer a chance, it pulls a ton of air, and it looks good, Only one problem no nog, going on 72 hrs, I am getting worried!!!

Paulairduck · 11/14/2006, 12:58 AM

mchava, thanks for the pics, can you pm me and tell me how you did it.

thanks in advance.

Oliver P. · 11/14/2006, 02:03 AM

Hi Paul,

you can reduce the breakin time of the skimmer by rising the pump in hot water.
Sometimes there is a fatty film on the o-rings of the pumps. This fat or remains of the production is the only reason, why your skimmer dont started to prduce NOG immediately.
I checked your skimmer on the picture and your skimmer looks good. You just need to rise it in hot water or give BM more tome to break in.

Thanks,
Oliver

Pyrrhus · 11/14/2006, 02:52 AM

I have seen the bright green skimmate a few times. Every single time the person was using Kent Essential Elements.

Creetin · 11/14/2006, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Paulairduck
Right now I want my apf 600 back, but I am going to give this skimmer a chance, it pulls a ton of air, and it looks good, Only one problem no nog, going on 72 hrs, I am getting worried!!!

Just give it a little bit more time, I would do like oliver suggested and soak in hot water for a spell.
Keep us informed. I bet in a couple weeks you'll have forgotten about the H and S.

big4george · 11/14/2006, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Creetin
FYI i did have a waste collector. So big4george what is your point? I never proclaimed i was an expert, i am a hobbiest. It isnt worth my time to argue with a person like yourself. You clearly are trying to call me out on something or pick a fight.......

Ok, I made my point too aggressively. Sorry. It just bugs me when people make statements like they know what they are talking about when they clearly don't. I shouldn't have jumped on you like that. Please accept my apologies.

Why did you call yourself Creetin anyhow? Isn't that like asking for it?

Fliger · 11/14/2006, 06:19 PM

Great reviews Sang/Christine and everyone else. I'm thinking of getting a 150 just to play with. I just ordered some more stuff from Greg today, I should have had him throw one in the box.

Quote:

Originally posted by pyrrhus
I have seen the bright green skimmate a few times. Every single time the person was using Kent Essential Elements.

That cracks me up to here. A few years back when I got my first high end skimmer (2x1260) I'll never forget putting in Kent essential elements one night. The cup was empty - and in the morning it was BRIGHT green. Like lime jello. I know I posted it cuz it was bizarre. I have the pix, you wouldn't believe it - especially since it was purple when it came out of the jug. I did it again a few weeks later and same result.

UCanDoIt · 11/14/2006, 06:36 PM

I cannot believe what I saw when I stopped by tonight to snap a final photo of this guy. There was no dosing of additives during the last 3 days and no dark greenish brown skimmate, just brown. Maybe the Kent Marine Essentials Elements really does have something to do with the green coloring. I was told that this morning, frozen mysids and Prime Reef cubes were fed to the tank again. From the photo, it definitely looks like the skimmer has kicked in past the break in period. The 2nd collection cup cleaning was done while I was there as it was really too full... within 20 minutes, the first drop of skimmate hit the bottom of the cup. This BM150 is obviously undersized for the 180g fish only tank as filling the cup every 2-3 days is overwhelming this small guy. Skimmate is very wet even though its been set to try to skim drier. Well, Ed has decided not to keep this unit as his evaluation is finished, onto the BM200. Anyone interested in a 1 week old BM150 that works really well? I wouldn't put it on anything bigger than a 100g though.

Fliger · 11/14/2006, 06:45 PM

Hey you just poured H&S gunk in there.

J/K - I sent you a PM on the skimmer.

UCanDoIt · 11/14/2006, 07:17 PM

No, definitely not.

My H&S gets much darker and thicker stuff than this. I'm happy with my skimmers, but this skimmer has definitely been exciting to observe.

lvpd186 · 11/14/2006, 07:28 PM

Oliver, I am on the list to get the one of the next shipment of the BM250s and I have a quick question. Since I am putting my sump together I wanted to plan how high I should set the baffel for the skimmer section. How high should the water level be set (ie: what is the lowest setting on the adjustable output)? I want the skimmer to have the right water level without having to put it on a stand, but at the same time not have a waterfall (lol). Thanks & I'm looking forward to getting the skimmer.

Paulairduck · 11/14/2006, 07:35 PM

I wish I was a rookie and could have said that I did not run it in my bathtub for eight hours with vinegar and hot water, but I can't. That was the fist thing I did, I woke up this morning and no skimmate, so, in went the euro reef and now the bubblemaster is in my bathtub again, my wife is, " no not again!!", she doesn't understand why a skimmer needs a bath, she will never understand, So tomorrow morning, it's going back in the sump, and I will update pics on how things are going,

I'm not giving up yet!!

Fliger · 11/14/2006, 08:00 PM

I'm joinin' the club baby! Thanks Christine.

Roland Jacques · 11/14/2006, 08:03 PM

Youcandoit, thanks for the photos and info on the 150, that was very informative.

You say the BM 150 is to small for the 180 because it fills the cup to fast with dark skimmate?
IF that is the only reason isn't that kind off judging the skimmer backwards. That kind of saying, a lesser performing skimmer would be better suited for a bigger tank because it does not fill the cup as fast.

I think I no what your saying that emptying the cup every 2 or thee days would get old. But IMO that's no way to judge or size a skimmer. To me that would indicate it is better than its rating not less than its rating. Maybe the cup it should come with drain.

Is their another reason other than filling the cup to fast? I may have misunderstood

how big is the BM150 cup?:

Maximus · 11/14/2006, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fliger
I'm joinin' the club baby! Thanks Christine.

What took you so long to come aboard?

Roland Jacques · 11/14/2006, 08:10 PM

Paulairduck

I would try muratic acid 10:1 with water. It well work much better than vinager.
Every time i used vinagar i still had to wait for a few days till it really started working.

UCanDoIt · 11/14/2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fliger
I'm joinin' the club baby! Thanks Christine.

Well Fliger, you can now run it side by side with some of the skimmers you own and give an professional assessment. Ed says that he can get it out Thurs or Fri.

RJ - I don't know the size of the collection cup as I never measured the skimmer. Hopefully, Fliger can give more details when he takes the unit over.

11/13/2006, 10:05 AM	#826
msman825 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: maine Posts: 1,301	creetin clean your pm box out __________________ MSMAN

11/13/2006, 06:05 PM	#827
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	48 hrs ??? I have my ati bubblemaster 200 running for 48 hrs and no NOG, getting worried about my fish and sps corals, might have to reinstall the euro reef for safety. skimmer is running in 7 inches of water and kept stable by my tunze osmolator???????? on 100 gallon with 12 fish and about 20 corals

11/13/2006, 06:09 PM	#829
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	BM150 - 30 hour update after 1st collection cup cleaning After the first collection cup cleaning, it took around 4 hours for the first drop of skimmate to hit the bottom of the collection cup. Skimmate lighter greenish-brown today. Last edited by UCanDoIt; 11/13/2006 at 07:02 PM.

11/13/2006, 06:11 PM	#830
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	updated I updated my last post, it is the ATI 200, I am in the process of getting pics

11/13/2006, 07:18 PM	#831
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	ati skimmer 200 pics here are the pics I can not get the pics to show up, so they are in my gallery, if somebody know's how to post the pics of the 200, go ahead!!!

11/13/2006, 06:08 PM	#828
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	Pics?

11/13/2006, 07:31 PM	#832
Maximus Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Monterey County Posts: 6,442	Nice pics Paul. How does the 200 compare with the APF 600? __________________ This space for rent... Current Tank Info: 36x36x16 A.G.E. tank. Lighting: ATI Straton. Circulation: 2x Vortech MP40wQd's. Skimmer: Red Sea 300. Controller: Neptune Apex. Doser: Neptune Dos.

11/13/2006, 08:26 PM	#833
Mchava Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Santa Ana CA Posts: 4,352	__________________ Mario

11/14/2006, 12:56 AM	#834
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	right now Right now I want my apf 600 back, but I am going to give this skimmer a chance, it pulls a ton of air, and it looks good, Only one problem no nog, going on 72 hrs, I am getting worried!!!

11/14/2006, 12:58 AM	#835
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	thanks mchava, thanks for the pics, can you pm me and tell me how you did it. thanks in advance.

11/14/2006, 02:03 AM	#836
Oliver P. Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 76	Hi Paul, you can reduce the breakin time of the skimmer by rising the pump in hot water. Sometimes there is a fatty film on the o-rings of the pumps. This fat or remains of the production is the only reason, why your skimmer dont started to prduce NOG immediately. I checked your skimmer on the picture and your skimmer looks good. You just need to rise it in hot water or give BM more tome to break in. Thanks, Oliver

11/14/2006, 02:52 AM	#837
Pyrrhus Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 2,713	I have seen the bright green skimmate a few times. Every single time the person was using Kent Essential Elements. __________________ Severe Knowledge In Plumbing

11/14/2006, 06:36 PM	#841
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	BM150 - 60 hour update after 1st collection cup cleaning I cannot believe what I saw when I stopped by tonight to snap a final photo of this guy. There was no dosing of additives during the last 3 days and no dark greenish brown skimmate, just brown. Maybe the Kent Marine Essentials Elements really does have something to do with the green coloring. I was told that this morning, frozen mysids and Prime Reef cubes were fed to the tank again. From the photo, it definitely looks like the skimmer has kicked in past the break in period. The 2nd collection cup cleaning was done while I was there as it was really too full... within 20 minutes, the first drop of skimmate hit the bottom of the cup. This BM150 is obviously undersized for the 180g fish only tank as filling the cup every 2-3 days is overwhelming this small guy. Skimmate is very wet even though its been set to try to skim drier. Well, Ed has decided not to keep this unit as his evaluation is finished, onto the BM200. Anyone interested in a 1 week old BM150 that works really well? I wouldn't put it on anything bigger than a 100g though. Last edited by UCanDoIt; 11/14/2006 at 07:33 PM.

11/14/2006, 06:45 PM	#842
Fliger Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 8,642	Hey you just poured H&S gunk in there. J/K - I sent you a PM on the skimmer. __________________ Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. Closed minds should come with closed mouths. When life hands you lemons, add vodka! Current Tank Info: Current: 210G Elos System, 2x400W + 6x54W Photon w/Aquaconnects, H&S skimmer, Deltec FR509/ROWAphos+Elos Carbon, 6101's and 6201's, Ocean GEOtronic 900 Chiller/Heater, Biotopus II Controller w/SMS. Elos System 70.

11/14/2006, 07:17 PM	#843
UCanDoIt Moved On Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 1,684	No, definitely not. My H&S gets much darker and thicker stuff than this. I'm happy with my skimmers, but this skimmer has definitely been exciting to observe. Last edited by UCanDoIt; 11/14/2006 at 07:30 PM.

11/14/2006, 07:28 PM	#844
lvpd186 Reefing in NE Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Papillion, NE Posts: 1,485	Oliver, I am on the list to get the one of the next shipment of the BM250s and I have a quick question. Since I am putting my sump together I wanted to plan how high I should set the baffel for the skimmer section. How high should the water level be set (ie: what is the lowest setting on the adjustable output)? I want the skimmer to have the right water level without having to put it on a stand, but at the same time not have a waterfall (lol). Thanks & I'm looking forward to getting the skimmer. __________________ "A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice." Bill Cosby

11/14/2006, 07:35 PM	#845
Paulairduck I LOVE FREE FRAGS!!! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chino Hills Posts: 2,909	I wish I was a rookie I wish I was a rookie and could have said that I did not run it in my bathtub for eight hours with vinegar and hot water, but I can't. That was the fist thing I did, I woke up this morning and no skimmate, so, in went the euro reef and now the bubblemaster is in my bathtub again, my wife is, " no not again!!", she doesn't understand why a skimmer needs a bath, she will never understand, So tomorrow morning, it's going back in the sump, and I will update pics on how things are going, I'm not giving up yet!!

11/14/2006, 08:00 PM	#846
Fliger Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 8,642	I'm joinin' the club baby! Thanks Christine. __________________ Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. Closed minds should come with closed mouths. When life hands you lemons, add vodka! Current Tank Info: Current: 210G Elos System, 2x400W + 6x54W Photon w/Aquaconnects, H&S skimmer, Deltec FR509/ROWAphos+Elos Carbon, 6101's and 6201's, Ocean GEOtronic 900 Chiller/Heater, Biotopus II Controller w/SMS. Elos System 70.

11/14/2006, 08:03 PM	#847
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Youcandoit, thanks for the photos and info on the 150, that was very informative. You say the BM 150 is to small for the 180 because it fills the cup to fast with dark skimmate? IF that is the only reason isn't that kind off judging the skimmer backwards. That kind of saying, a lesser performing skimmer would be better suited for a bigger tank because it does not fill the cup as fast. I think I no what your saying that emptying the cup every 2 or thee days would get old. But IMO that's no way to judge or size a skimmer. To me that would indicate it is better than its rating not less than its rating. Maybe the cup it should come with drain. Is their another reason other than filling the cup to fast? I may have misunderstood how big is the BM150 cup?: __________________ Roland

11/14/2006, 08:10 PM	#849
Roland Jacques Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta GA Posts: 2,848	Paulairduck I would try muratic acid 10:1 with water. It well work much better than vinager. Every time i used vinagar i still had to wait for a few days till it really started working. __________________ Roland