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[stealthspy589]

Why do Blue/Green Chromis become one over time. Do they kill each other off?

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by DolphinzFan

My yellow tang has only been in the tank for about 2 weeks? Would it allow other tangs in that case?

And would the Chromis kill each other?

Thanks for your advise.

since I have done thousands of these, I cannot remember what any given person has in terms of stocking plan and tank size. In general, 2 weeks is probably not enough for it to establish itself, but I am guessing.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by stealthspy589

Why do Blue/Green Chromis become one over time. Do they kill each other off?

Yes. As damsels, especially in shorter tanks, the dominant one kills off the less dominant ones over time.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by joshyross70

Ok. How about a mcCoskers wrasses? The other question i have is if i would be ok with a pair of black snowflake clowns? Or is that pushing the limit of fish in my tank?

since I have done thousands of these, I cannot remember what any given person has in terms of stocking plan and tank size.

[DolphinzFan]

Originally Posted by snorvich

since I have done thousands of these, I cannot remember what any given person has in terms of stocking plan and tank size. In general, 2 weeks is probably not enough for it to establish itself, but I am guessing.

Sorry I thought I had copied the info. Here were my plans.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinzFan View Post
Tank is a 180 gal (72x24x24), with @200 lbs LR, 3" sand bed

Has 45 gal sump, and 40 gal refugium

Current fish:
Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish
Snowflake Clownfish
Royal Grumma
Yellow Tang an establsihed yellow tang is unlikely to allow another tang to be introduced, especially in a six foot tank
Yellow Belly Blue Hippo these get pretty mean once mature, especially in a six foot tank
Coral Beauty Angelfish

CUC:
Cleaner shrimp
Diamond Watchman Gobie
Lawnmower Blenny
Snails, and crabs


Wanting to add:
Rusty Angel
Blonda Naso Tang really needs a longer tank
Kole Tang an establsihed yellow tang is unlikely to allow another tang to be introduced, especially in a six foot tank
Saddleback Butterfly
5? Blue/Green Chromis (not sure how many) will become one over time
Blue spotted puffer not invert safe

CUC:
2nd Cleaner Shrimp
Bi-Color Blenny

Tank has Zoas, and mushrooms

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by DolphinzFan

Sorry I thought I had copied the info. Here were my plans. Sorry, I simply can not keep track of them, especially on page changes


Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinzFan View Post
Tank is a 180 gal (72x24x24), with @200 lbs LR, 3" sand bed

Has 45 gal sump, and 40 gal refugium

Current fish:
Black & White Ocellaris Clownfish
Snowflake Clownfish
Royal Grumma
Yellow Tang an established yellow tang is unlikely to allow another tang to be introduced, especially in a six foot tank
Yellow Belly Blue Hippo these get pretty mean once mature, especially in a six foot tank reef central's recommendation for this fish is an 8 foot tank as a minimum
Coral Beauty Angelfish

CUC:
Cleaner shrimp
Diamond Watchman Gobie
Lawnmower Blenny
Snails, and crabs


Wanting to add:
Rusty Angel
Blonda Naso Tang reef central's recommendation for this fish is an 8 foot tank as a minimum
Kole Tang an established yellow tang is unlikely to allow another tang to be introduced, especially in a six foot tank; but I cannot judge if the yellow is really established at this point
Saddleback Butterfly
5? Blue/Green Chromis (not sure how many) will become one over time
Blue spotted puffer not invert safe

CUC:
2nd Cleaner Shrimp
Bi-Color Blenny

Tank has Zoas, and mushrooms

[jenjen]

I have an established (5 years) 180g. I had a small fuge on the system for the first year, but removed it when we moved the tank 4 years ago. I recently (last month) put a small fuge (10-15 gal, sand / rock) back in, with hopes of being able to support a mandarin pair.

Current fish list:
Foxface
Yellow Tang
Kole Tang
Flame Angel
Clown Pair
Bi-colour Blenny
Bangaii Cardinal pair
Sixline Wrasse
YWG/Tiger Pistol pair

The guy I'm worried about is the Sixline Wrasse. I know they eat a ton of pods, but I do still see pods in my DT. With the addition of a small fuge, how long should I wait before adding a mandarin pair?

Thanks

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by jenjen

I have an established (5 years) 180g. I had a small fuge on the system for the first year, but removed it when we moved the tank 4 years ago. I recently (last month) put a small fuge (10-15 gal, sand / rock) back in, with hopes of being able to support a mandarin pair.

Current fish list:
Foxface
Yellow Tang
Kole Tang
Flame Angel
Clown Pair
Bi-colour Blenny
Bangaii Cardinal pair
Sixline Wrasse Your tank without this fish would easily support a mandarin pair; with this fish, you are unlikely to be successful and a sixline wrasse is going to be aggressive towards mandarins
YWG/Tiger Pistol pair

The guy I'm worried about is the Sixline Wrasse. I know they eat a ton of pods, but I do still see pods in my DT. With the addition of a small fuge, how long should I wait before adding a mandarin pair? mandarins eat constantly; while the vast majority of them also eat mysis, they do not compete well for supplied or natural food

Thanks

[jenjen]

Thanks for the quick reply!

I wouldn't ever want to put a fish at risk knowingly, so I guess I won't add my mandarin pair while I still have the Sixline in there. The guy is a trooper, he's been with me for nearly 7 years, through all the newbie mistakes, a tank upgrade and a move. He is actually really well behaved with my other fish but I know better than to push my luck.

Off to figure out what other fish to add instead, if any.

Thanks!

[steverransom]

Here goes:
75 gallon tank
no sump
protein skimmer
370gph canister filter with ehfisubstrate, coarse/fine filter pads, ceramic rings, carbon, and phosguard
2 koralia pumps one 750 gph one 1400 gph
eheim 300w heater
85 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
mexican turbo snails x10
hermits x30ish
peppermint shrimp
arrow crab
neccarrius snails x25 (pretty sure thats misspelled)

what im looking to get:

Flame angel
horseface blenny
kole tang
ocellaris clown
six line wrasse

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by steverransom

Here goes:
75 gallon tank
no sump
protein skimmer
370gph canister filter with ehfisubstrate, coarse/fine filter pads, ceramic rings, carbon, and phosguard
2 koralia pumps one 750 gph one 1400 gph
eheim 300w heater
85 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
mexican turbo snails x10
hermits x30ish snails and crabs do not work well together since crabs kill snails for their shells
peppermint shrimp
arrow crab not fish safe
neccarrius snails x25 (pretty sure that misspelled)

what im looking to get:

Flame angel
horseface blenny
kole tang
ocellaris clown
six line wrasse aggressive and may preclude other fish going forward

fine except as noted

[steverransom]

Could you suggest an order to add these to the tank?


Quote:
Originally Posted by steverransom View Post
Here goes:
75 gallon tank
no sump
protein skimmer
370gph canister filter with ehfisubstrate, coarse/fine filter pads, ceramic rings, carbon, and phosguard
2 koralia pumps one 750 gph one 1400 gph
eheim 300w heater
85 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
mexican turbo snails x10
hermits x30ish snails and crabs do not work well together since crabs kill snails for their shells
peppermint shrimp
arrow crab not fish safe
neccarrius snails x25 (pretty sure that misspelled)

what im looking to get:

Flame angel
horseface blenny
kole tang
ocellaris clown
six line wrasse aggressive and may preclude other fish going forward
fine except as noted


__________________
Warmest regards and best wishes,

~Steve~

Doing something the same way and expecting different results is irrational.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by steverransom

Could you suggest an order to add these to the tank?

most aggressive last, most peaceful first


Quote:
Originally Posted by steverransom View Post
Here goes:
75 gallon tank
no sump
protein skimmer
370gph canister filter with ehfisubstrate, coarse/fine filter pads, ceramic rings, carbon, and phosguard
2 koralia pumps one 750 gph one 1400 gph
eheim 300w heater
85 lbs live rock
60 lbs live sand
mexican turbo snails x10
hermits x30ish snails and crabs do not work well together since crabs kill snails for their shells
peppermint shrimp
arrow crab not fish safe
neccarrius snails x25 (pretty sure that misspelled)

what im looking to get:

Flame angel
horseface blenny
kole tang
ocellaris clown
six line wrasse aggressive and may preclude other fish going forward
fine except as noted


__________________
Warmest regards and best wishes,

~Steve~

Doing something the same way and expecting different results is irrational.

[joshyross70]

Ok i have a 34 gallon reef. No fish in it right now.

1 helfrichi firefish ( currently in QT)
1 blue reef chromis
1 black snowflake clown
1 mcCoskers wrasses or a six line wrasses????

Could i get away with doing a pair of snowflake clowns instead of just one or would that push the limit of fish for my tank

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by joshyross70

Ok i have a 34 gallon reef. No fish in it right now.

1 helfrichi firefish ( currently in QT)
1 blue reef chromis
1 black snowflake clown
1 mcCoskers wrasses or a six line wrasses????

Could i get away with doing a pair of snowflake clowns instead of just one or would that push the limit of fish for my tank

A pair of the clowns would be fine, but I would not do either wrasse; the sixline is too aggressive, and any flasher wrasse would be too active for this sized tank

[stealthspy589]

- 55 Gallon 4'x12"x20"
- 50-60lb's of base rock.
- 3-4 inch Sand Bed
- Reef Octopus BH 2000 Hang-on back Skimmer.
- Lots of crevices and a few caves, couple shelfs. Generally eye appealing with lots of hiding spaces basically.


My goal is a diversity of colorful fish, peaceful, moderately easy care FOWLR. Later on I might add a few soft corals but that will be much later after the tank matures.


FISH:
2x False Percula Clownfish
1x Green Chromis (Altered, didn't want them dying)
1x Yellow Watchman Goby
1x Banggai Cardinal Fish
1x Blue Neon Gobby
1x Royal Gramma
Last post you said NO Blue Hippo. I'm trying to have colorful/peaceful. What medium-large sized blue fish can I add to the mix? I have all small and medium sized fish.

INVERTS
1x Bubbletip Anemone (introduced with Clowns later after mature tank.)
1x Pink Tip Hatian Anemone (introduced with Anemoned Crabs & ^^^)
10x Dwarf White Leg Hermits (W/ extra shells)
2x Boxing/Pom Pom Crabs
1x Candy Stripe Pistol Shrimp (To go with Watchman)
2x Anemone Crab (to go with Hatian)


Will Snails be okay in this tank? Such as Astrea Snails, or is my team strong enough?

I understand there's no guarantee with anemone bonding, I'd still love to try

One thing I'm not sure about is do I cycle Inverts? I know you don't with anemones but what about crabs and snails, or is just only the acclimation period then in the display?

The last thing I was wondering is around what order should I add the fish, the inverts I'll lay out slowly so i don't overload the bottom feeders.
I was thinking few dw. Hermits, then a month later Banggai, then Watchman & Pistol, then chromis then Neon gob & gramma, then the clowns and BTA, then the large fish as the last fish whatever it ends up being.

Sorry it's long... Thanks!

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by stealthspy589

- 55 Gallon 4'x12"x20"
- 50-60lb's of base rock.
- 3-4 inch Sand Bed
- Reef Octopus BH 2000 Hang-on back Skimmer.
- Lots of crevices and a few caves, couple shelfs. Generally eye appealing with lots of hiding spaces basically.


My goal is a diversity of colorful fish, peaceful, moderately easy care FOWLR. Later on I might add a few soft corals but that will be much later after the tank matures.


FISH:
2x False Percula Clownfish
1x Green Chromis (Altered, didn't want them dying)
1x Yellow Watchman Goby
1x Banggai Cardinal Fish
1x Blue Neon Gobby
1x Royal Gramma
Last post you said NO Blue Hippo. I'm trying to have colorful/peaceful. What medium-large sized blue fish can I add to the mix? I have all small and medium sized fish.

In this sized tank, you should not really have "medium sized" fish as it will make your tank look really small. Sorry, I wish I could satisfy your need for "blue" but the blue fish that would work biologically, such as damsels, are very aggressive and would cause a different kind of problem.

INVERTS
1x Bubbletip Anemone (introduced with Clowns later after mature tank.)
1x Pink Tip Hatian Anemone (introduced with Anemoned Crabs & ^^^) while this thread is only about marine fish copatibility, I would rethink having two anemones, one of which will move around
10x Dwarf White Leg Hermits (W/ extra shells)
2x Boxing/Pom Pom Crabs
1x Candy Stripe Pistol Shrimp (To go with Watchman)
2x Anemone Crab (to go with Hatian)


Will Snails be okay in this tank? Such as Astrea Snails, or is my team strong enough? hermits will kill snails ovr time for their shells

I understand there's no guarantee with anemone bonding, I'd still love to try

One thing I'm not sure about is do I cycle Inverts? I know you don't with anemones but what about crabs and snails, or is just only the acclimation period then in the display?

once the tank is cycled, CUC can be added after acclimation

The last thing I was wondering is around what order should I add the fish, the inverts I'll lay out slowly so i don't overload the bottom feeders. most aggressive last, most passive first with the first two on the list being most aggressive
I was thinking few dw. Hermits, then a month later Banggai, then Watchman & Pistol, then chromis then Neon gob & gramma, then the clowns and BTA, then the large fish as the last fish whatever it ends up being.

Sorry it's long... Thanks!

[Badlands25]

Snorvich what about a kole tang in the 93 cube? Gonna go with a different type of clown haven't decided yet though.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Badlands25

Snorvich what about a kole tang in the 93 cube? Gonna go with a different type of clown haven't decided yet though.

Can you provide entire stocking plan? My memory is not good enough to remember all of the potential tanks and stocking plans. Thanks.

[Badlands25]

Lol sorry. Mandarin, potters angel, wrasse ( reef safe ) was going with 2 maroon clowns but you advised against ( in a 93 cube )

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by Badlands25

Lol sorry. Mandarin, potters angel, wrasse ( reef safe ) was going with 2 maroon clowns but you advised against ( in a 93 cube )

Yes, a Kole tang would work. The pair of Maroon clowns would definitely not work.

[lrs183]

Hey Snorvich, this is a pretty passive stocking question but I'd like a reliable answer on it and I think the best bet is to get it from you on here.

My tank is 21G (not sure of what its actual visible gallon amount is as this includes its built in pump/skimmer area). The tank has 1 orange spot goby (not to be mistook for the diamond goby that gets up to 6 inches), 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 black with white stripe ocellaris clownfish and 1 black ice clownfish. Along with a small CUC being 1 turbo snail and 5 other basic cleaner snails.

I have always been fascinated with the goby/pistol shrimp pair. What kind of havoc will this likely bring upon the tank if I were to do it? What's the least aggressive pistol out there and what's the general chance that the pair may not work period and it even kill my goby?

Sorry for the lengthy question, just trying to get you all of the info. This isn't a must have, but it seems to be that final frontier stock piece that I keep researching on occasion. All is fine in paradise right now and I'd rather not ruin that if I don't have to.

Thank you

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by lrs183

Hey Snorvich, this is a pretty passive stocking question but I'd like a reliable answer on it and I think the best bet is to get it from you on here.

My tank is 21G (not sure of what its actual visible gallon amount is as this includes its built in pump/skimmer area). The tank has 1 orange spot goby (not to be mistook for the diamond goby that gets up to 6 inches), 1 cleaner shrimp, 1 black with white stripe ocellaris clownfish and 1 black ice clownfish. Along with a small CUC being 1 turbo snail and 5 other basic cleaner snails.

The pair of clownfish, once bonded, sexually mature and mating will want to control about 25 gallons of tank space. However, they will likely tolerate your goby since he/she is a sand dweller.

I have always been fascinated with the goby/pistol shrimp pair. What kind of havoc will this likely bring upon the tank if I were to do it? What's the least aggressive pistol out there and what's the general chance that the pair may not work period and it even kill my goby? Since your goby is a commensal prawn goby, it will pair up with any commensal type pistol shrimp. Most common, and least problematic, is the Alpheus randalli pistol shrimp. Don't worry, if you add one, it will find the goby. Be sure you have sand with rock rubble or gravel intermixed so there will be structural integrity of the burrowing which can be very extensive.

Sorry for the lengthy question, just trying to get you all of the info. This isn't a must have, but it seems to be that final frontier stock piece that I keep researching on occasion. All is fine in paradise right now and I'd rather not ruin that if I don't have to.

By the way, while the cleaner shrimp is a good clean up crew member, you have no fish that will allow cleaning behavior.

Thank you

[lrs183]

I greatly appreciate the fast response, Snorvich.

Hopefully the clowns and the goby continue doing well for the long haul. They're the only three fish that will be in the tank so the hope is when introduced together young, they'll kind of set their territories and be alright. But that's just wishful thinking.

The sand I got I noticed isn't just a fine sand (I feel bad for not knowing my specific sand type, noob of me). It looks like it has maybe very small crushed up pieces of shell, very tiny crushed rock (or coral) and so forth mixed in with sand. White in color. The live rock, which only has one true piece of rock actually performing a balancing act, is pushed into the sand but not making complete contact with the glass. I know for a more stacking intensive design it would be crucial to have it down to the glass but, it's pretty much just all of the rocks sitting on the sand kind of leaned on one another slightly.

Is that going to be fine for them to do their major undertakings? Or do I need to start looking into getting these rocks more stable at the glass level? Sorry for this question, I know it's not directly fish compatibility related.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by lrs183

I greatly appreciate the fast response, Snorvich.

Hopefully the clowns and the goby continue doing well for the long haul. They're the only three fish that will be in the tank so the hope is when introduced together young, they'll kind of set their territories and be alright. But that's just wishful thinking.

The sand I got I noticed isn't just a fine sand (I feel bad for not knowing my specific sand type, noob of me). It looks like it has maybe very small crushed up pieces of shell, very tiny crushed rock (or coral) and so forth mixed in with sand. White in color. The live rock, which only has one true piece of rock actually performing a balancing act, is pushed into the sand but not making complete contact with the glass. I know for a more stacking intensive design it would be crucial to have it down to the glass but, it's pretty much just all of the rocks sitting on the sand kind of leaned on one another slightly.

Is that going to be fine for them to do their major undertakings? Or do I need to start looking into getting these rocks more stable at the glass level? Sorry for this question, I know it's not directly fish compatibility related.

Sand type should be fine. I would be slightly happier if the rock when all the way to the glass bottom, but it should be fine.