New Lumen Bright Reflector. ... any info on them - Page 37

JRaquatics · 04/14/2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by dja1980
Do the "Episodes" discuss everthing listed right side of the "Downloads" page?

Yes.

tony varrell · 04/14/2008, 02:24 PM

Ok guys for those of us who don't need this kind of detail which should it be. My dimensions are 84X28X25. I plan to use se 250 watt 10 bulbs with VHO atinic sumplementation. How any reflectors are required for complete coverage. Thanks..

dja1980 · 04/14/2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by melev
I have both 10,000K and 12,000K reeflux bulbs that can be tested, assuming the HQI ballast is 250w. The 400w bulbs I have are Radiums and a 15,000K XM.

Ah, I'm interested in 400w results, but I'm sure testing the 250w would also provide some useful data. Is there anyone you could also borrow a 400w 12K ReefLux bulb from?

JRaquatics · 04/14/2008, 02:32 PM

5 larges if you can get them up high enough, if height is an issue then you will have to go with the minis. What ballast/bulb combo are you going to be using also plays a role.

melev · 04/14/2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by tony varrell
Ok guys for those of us who don't need this kind of detail which should it be. My dimensions are 84X28X25. I plan to use se 250 watt 10 bulbs with VHO atinic sumplementation. How any reflectors are required for complete coverage. Thanks..

I would just put three large LuminBrights over your tank. It is 1' longer than mine, and that gives you a little space between each reflector. You need plenty of height to raise them up where they belong to get good spread and avoid the spotlight effect.

The 250w bulbs will do fine with that tank. My tank is 72 x 30 x 30, if you wanted a comparison.

psteeleb put 5 reflectors (minis) over his 280 Tall, and three are on all day long ,while the other two only come on for one hour each day.

melev · 04/14/2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by dja1980
Ah, I'm interested in 400w results, but I'm sure testing the 250w would also provide some useful data. Is there anyone you could also borrow a 400w 12K ReefLux bulb from?

Maybe I can get access to some, but I can't promise.

dja1980 · 04/14/2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by tony varrell
Ok guys for those of us who don't need this kind of detail which should it be. My dimensions are 84X28X25. I plan to use se 250 watt 10 bulbs with VHO atinic sumplementation. How any reflectors are required for complete coverage. Thanks..

7' tank... I would think 3 larges would do it assmuming the larges will spread 28". Otherwise, 4 minis would be good, but you might be lacking front to back spread.

tony varrell · 04/14/2008, 02:41 PM

Wow I was thinking 3 to 4 at most. I will use ishio 10K250watt with URI atenic suplementation. The ballast will be PFO electronic which I already have and would prefer to use unless there is a good reason not to.

tony varrell · 04/14/2008, 02:46 PM

Melev Would a 15" canopy be enough height if I mounted them to the top of the canopy.

melev · 04/14/2008, 04:10 PM

Since you want the bulb to be 16 to 18" off the water, I would say that your canopy is too short presently.

macreefster · 04/14/2008, 04:54 PM

if i can barge in on this thread, could someone help me with reflector height? i just ordered two lumen bright reflectors, i think they are the small ones... 16", with two 250 w DE phoenix bulbs and the bluewave7 dual 250w HQI ballast. my tank dimensions are 36"x 24"x 20"ht. i am primarly housing SPS and clams so i want as much light intensity as possible. i am currently using a 36" sunpod 2x 250w HQI fixture with the bulbs about 8 inches off the water surface. the tank is rimless with an open top. my question is, what height should i mount the lumen brights to get good coverage front to back without a lot of light spillage outside of the tank. thanks for your help.

macreefster · 04/14/2008, 04:55 PM

here is a pic of my tank....a pic is worth a thousand words, right?...thanks again.

melev · 04/14/2008, 05:45 PM

That is a very pretty tank. You've been hiding that why?

macreefster · 04/14/2008, 06:04 PM

i posted pics of it here before, but the post quickly faded into oblivion...lol

bubbletip2 · 04/14/2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by tony varrell
Melev Would a 15" canopy be enough height if I mounted them to the top of the canopy.

A 15" Canopy would mean the bulb would be 11" from the water due to the mogul socket being approximately 4" down from the top of the reflector.

My recommendation for these reflectors is a minimum 18" canopy giving you 14" from bulb to surface. 20" would be better as it gives you room to raise your lights to accomodate coral growth. You could get away with 12"-14" but only if the reflectors are stacked up against each other. I would not use 400w bulbs for this scenario though. 250's only please

Jim

Los · 04/14/2008, 07:36 PM

Bubbletip and Melev-

I'd like to pick up a PAR meter. Marc, as I recall you had the Field Scout Quantum Light Meter ($199):

http://www.specmeters.com/Light_Mete...ght_Meter.html

I've also heard the Apogee Quantum Meter with Separate Sensor model QMSS-E ($249) is good:

http://www.apogeeinstruments.com/qua...er_options.htm

Any recommendations?

BTW, Melev - I love your Reefcast (if you haven't heard it, go straight to Itunes NOW). It is a 10 out of 10. Great humor, very educational, and a great way to pass the time while tinkering with my tank. Two thumbs up!
Cheers,
Los

melev · 04/14/2008, 09:06 PM

The one I'm borrowing right now is the second one, QMSS-E, I guess.

tinnghe · 04/14/2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by macreefster
here is a pic of my tank....a pic is worth a thousand words, right?...thanks again.

Very nice looking tank and cramped what kind of fan r u running interested in picking some up

macreefster · 04/15/2008, 03:44 AM

thanks tinnghe. the fans are just a couple of 5" ones i picked up at my LPS. not sure of the manufacturer, but i would imagine they are pretty common just about any place.

yeah, the tank is cramped. i think it's time for a larger one!

melev....any suggestions on how high above the water i should mount the lumen brights i have coming in with 250w DE phoenix 14k's? right now the sunpod in the pic is 8 inches above, would the lumen brights at that height cover the 24 inches front to back in your opinion? thanks

melev · 04/15/2008, 06:15 AM

I feel like you'll need it raised higher, but how will you make that look aestically pleasing? Your current fixture seems to match the tank, where the LuminBrite may look rather industrial. Are you considering the black one I got with the glass insert? If you got a 20 x 20 reflector, and had the bulb 16" off the water, that would definitely give you the spread you need. The 16 x 16 reflector would be smaller to look at, and I still think it needs to be up high. This one one thing you'll have to install, stand back and see how you like it, mainly because you are not using a canopy to hide it and thus have to deal with light spilling out into the room.

macreefster · 04/15/2008, 06:42 AM

thanks.....yes, i ordered the black, 16x16 HQI reflectors. i can modify my canopy easy enough, i havent even finished painting it yet. i think what i'll do is either hang them from the ceiling or make a new bracket off the canopy to hang them higher. i definately want to reduce the amount of light spillage into the room and thats why i figured getting them closer to the tank would help. thanks for the advice, it gives me some good ideas to start with. i might end up building a "floating canopy to house the reflectors (they are a bit industrial looking) and yet still maintain the open look i want for the tank. i'll post pictures of what i finally come up with. thanks again...tom

melev · 04/15/2008, 07:34 AM

Here you go, Tom.

Monti · 04/15/2008, 07:36 AM

I asked this question earlier in the thread but it got buried. I've got a 36"x30"x21" sps tank that I want to get new lights for. I'm set on getting a single 400w Reeflux 12k with the coralvue ballast, but I can't decide whether or not I want to use the large lumenarc or the large lumenbright to give me the best coverage and intensity. Any thoughts?

dja1980 · 04/15/2008, 08:13 AM

Those 36" tanks are somewhat difficult to plan lighting for... especially when you're talking 30" front to back. I think if you use 1 large LB, the sides of your tank will be dim. 2 mini LBs mounted close together would give you your length, but would probably be lacking front to back. 1 large LA would light your entire tank, but you will be sacraficing quite a bit of PAR.

If it were me, I would probably mount 2 large LB as close together as possible... even though they will still be overhanging your tank by 2" on each side.

macreefster · 04/15/2008, 08:15 AM

now that is a sweet canopy! while beyond my meager woodmaking skills, i think i can come up with something simular. is that your tank melev? very nice! just the look i want. is that tank plumbed through the wall like mine is? great way to hide all of the equipment/sumps/refugium/etc. thanks for the perfect example.... you da man!

monti, i am no expert on reflectors here... just getting my first decent ones this week, but from the reading i've done here it sounds like the lumenarcs give more spread while the lumen brights are more directional. i opted for the more directional to hopefully have less light spillage outside of the tank, i'll let you know how it works out this weekend.

04/14/2008, 04:54 PM	#911
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	if i can barge in on this thread, could someone help me with reflector height? i just ordered two lumen bright reflectors, i think they are the small ones... 16", with two 250 w DE phoenix bulbs and the bluewave7 dual 250w HQI ballast. my tank dimensions are 36"x 24"x 20"ht. i am primarly housing SPS and clams so i want as much light intensity as possible. i am currently using a 36" sunpod 2x 250w HQI fixture with the bulbs about 8 inches off the water surface. the tank is rimless with an open top. my question is, what height should i mount the lumen brights to get good coverage front to back without a lot of light spillage outside of the tank. thanks for your help. __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump

04/14/2008, 04:55 PM	#912
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	here is a pic of my tank....a pic is worth a thousand words, right?...thanks again. __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump

04/14/2008, 06:04 PM	#914
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	i posted pics of it here before, but the post quickly faded into oblivion...lol __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump

04/14/2008, 07:36 PM	#916
Los Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Salisbury, MD - 2 hrs from DC Posts: 819	Bubbletip and Melev- I'd like to pick up a PAR meter. Marc, as I recall you had the Field Scout Quantum Light Meter ($199): http://www.specmeters.com/Light_Mete...ght_Meter.html I've also heard the Apogee Quantum Meter with Separate Sensor model QMSS-E ($249) is good: http://www.apogeeinstruments.com/qua...er_options.htm Any recommendations? BTW, Melev - I love your Reefcast (if you haven't heard it, go straight to Itunes NOW). It is a 10 out of 10. Great humor, very educational, and a great way to pass the time while tinkering with my tank. Two thumbs up! Cheers, Los __________________ ~~~~~ / ^ ^\ \| 0 0 \| .\ ~ / The Big Mo' - in honor of Trey and Matt Current Tank Info: 360 reef / 700 system with 4xSfiligoi XR6s, Sfiligoi XR4, BubbleKing 300 Deluxe Internal, Deltec PF601s, PM Kalk, Deltec FR616, Deltec FR509, AquaController APEX, Tunze 6305, 2x6205, 2x6101, 6100, 3xDart Golds, Barracuda, Snapper, 2xOceans Motions

04/15/2008, 03:44 AM	#919
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	thanks tinnghe. the fans are just a couple of 5" ones i picked up at my LPS. not sure of the manufacturer, but i would imagine they are pretty common just about any place. yeah, the tank is cramped. i think it's time for a larger one! melev....any suggestions on how high above the water i should mount the lumen brights i have coming in with 250w DE phoenix 14k's? right now the sunpod in the pic is 8 inches above, would the lumen brights at that height cover the 24 inches front to back in your opinion? thanks __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump

04/14/2008, 02:24 PM	#902
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	Ok guys for those of us who don't need this kind of detail which should it be. My dimensions are 84X28X25. I plan to use se 250 watt 10 bulbs with VHO atinic sumplementation. How any reflectors are required for complete coverage. Thanks..

04/14/2008, 02:32 PM	#904
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	5 larges if you can get them up high enough, if height is an issue then you will have to go with the minis. What ballast/bulb combo are you going to be using also plays a role.

04/14/2008, 02:41 PM	#908
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	Wow I was thinking 3 to 4 at most. I will use ishio 10K250watt with URI atenic suplementation. The ballast will be PFO electronic which I already have and would prefer to use unless there is a good reason not to.

04/14/2008, 02:46 PM	#909
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	Melev Would a 15" canopy be enough height if I mounted them to the top of the canopy.

04/14/2008, 04:10 PM	#910
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Since you want the bulb to be 16 to 18" off the water, I would say that your canopy is too short presently.

04/14/2008, 05:45 PM	#913
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	That is a very pretty tank. You've been hiding that why?

04/14/2008, 09:06 PM	#917
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	The one I'm borrowing right now is the second one, QMSS-E, I guess.

04/15/2008, 06:15 AM	#920
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	I feel like you'll need it raised higher, but how will you make that look aestically pleasing? Your current fixture seems to match the tank, where the LuminBrite may look rather industrial. Are you considering the black one I got with the glass insert? If you got a 20 x 20 reflector, and had the bulb 16" off the water, that would definitely give you the spread you need. The 16 x 16 reflector would be smaller to look at, and I still think it needs to be up high. This one one thing you'll have to install, stand back and see how you like it, mainly because you are not using a canopy to hide it and thus have to deal with light spilling out into the room.

04/15/2008, 06:42 AM	#921
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	thanks.....yes, i ordered the black, 16x16 HQI reflectors. i can modify my canopy easy enough, i havent even finished painting it yet. i think what i'll do is either hang them from the ceiling or make a new bracket off the canopy to hang them higher. i definately want to reduce the amount of light spillage into the room and thats why i figured getting them closer to the tank would help. thanks for the advice, it gives me some good ideas to start with. i might end up building a "floating canopy to house the reflectors (they are a bit industrial looking) and yet still maintain the open look i want for the tank. i'll post pictures of what i finally come up with. thanks again...tom __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump

04/15/2008, 07:34 AM	#922
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Here you go, Tom.

04/15/2008, 07:36 AM	#923
Monti Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dallas Posts: 173	I asked this question earlier in the thread but it got buried. I've got a 36"x30"x21" sps tank that I want to get new lights for. I'm set on getting a single 400w Reeflux 12k with the coralvue ballast, but I can't decide whether or not I want to use the large lumenarc or the large lumenbright to give me the best coverage and intensity. Any thoughts? __________________ "Abraham Lincoln once said, 'If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North.'" -Michael Scott Current Tank Info: AGE 100 gal. 36x30x21 SPS dominated, ACJr, 400w 12k Reeflux in a Lumenarc III, Bubble King Mini 160 skimmer, Trigger Systems Custom Elite sump, 2x Tunze 6105 w/7095 controller, Eheim 1262 return, Geo 612 Calcium Reactor, 25 gallon frag tank inline

04/15/2008, 08:13 AM	#924
dja1980 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sycamore, IL Posts: 1,375	Those 36" tanks are somewhat difficult to plan lighting for... especially when you're talking 30" front to back. I think if you use 1 large LB, the sides of your tank will be dim. 2 mini LBs mounted close together would give you your length, but would probably be lacking front to back. 1 large LA would light your entire tank, but you will be sacraficing quite a bit of PAR. If it were me, I would probably mount 2 large LB as close together as possible... even though they will still be overhanging your tank by 2" on each side.

04/15/2008, 08:15 AM	#925
macreefster Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 1,015	now that is a sweet canopy! while beyond my meager woodmaking skills, i think i can come up with something simular. is that your tank melev? very nice! just the look i want. is that tank plumbed through the wall like mine is? great way to hide all of the equipment/sumps/refugium/etc. thanks for the perfect example.... you da man! monti, i am no expert on reflectors here... just getting my first decent ones this week, but from the reading i've done here it sounds like the lumenarcs give more spread while the lumen brights are more directional. i opted for the more directional to hopefully have less light spillage outside of the tank, i'll let you know how it works out this weekend. __________________ mac Current Tank Info: 70gal sps reef (36x24x20), 50g sump, 25g refugium, vertex alpha cone 170, 2 x 250w 14k phoenix w/ lumenmax 3's, 2 vortech mp40w's, eheim 1262 return pump