New Lumen Bright Reflector. ... any info on them - Page 38

JRaquatics · 04/15/2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Monti
I asked this question earlier in the thread but it got buried. I've got a 36"x30"x21" sps tank that I want to get new lights for. I'm set on getting a single 400w Reeflux 12k with the coralvue ballast, but I can't decide whether or not I want to use the large lumenarc or the large lumenbright to give me the best coverage and intensity. Any thoughts?

What is your rock work like? Can you post a pick of your current setup?

JRaquatics · 04/15/2008, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony varrell
Ok guys for those of us who don't need this kind of detail which should it be. My dimensions are 84X28X25. I plan to use se 250 watt 10 bulbs with VHO atinic sumplementation. How any reflectors are required for complete coverage. Thanks..

Ok my math or just my self in general was off yesterday and thought you had a 10ft tank.

But with the tank only being 7ft I would say go with 4 LB larges but they will need to be raised so that the bulb is at least 18 inches off the water. You could go with three but I would go with 4 if it was my tank.

Monti · 04/15/2008, 11:51 PM

I don't have a FTS of my tank right now. My tank is set up with a center back overflow with the rock arranged like an island in the center of the tank. All three sides and most of the back are open. Now with this set up it would seem ideal to have a bright spotlight focused on the center of the tank. However, as you can see from my avatar I'm a big clam guy, and most of my clams are arranged in the sand around the island. So coverage-wise I'm leaning towards the LA since I only want to use one bulb, but I wonder if there really would be that big of a difference in PAR from the large LB.

MercZ · 04/16/2008, 05:40 AM

I am interested in what Monti is saying b/c I am getting a 36x24x24 rimless and would like to only have 1 400 w 12k reeflux in a LB large if I could.

IndyMatt · 04/16/2008, 06:32 AM

Is there a difference between how far from the water the bulb needs to be for the mini's versus the larges?

tony varrell · 04/16/2008, 10:12 AM

Guys thanks for all the information you provided. I need to sum up. My furniture hasa already been ordered so I must build my lighting around a 14" canopy. The tank dimensions will be 84X28X25. I would be grateful if I could get comments on how to build my lighting for the new tank. I want to use SE 250w10k with VHO Atinic sumplementation. Here is a picture of my existion tank hat will be moved into the new one. For thoser of you tired of seeing this picture I am sorry. It's the only one I have.

JRaquatics · 04/16/2008, 10:25 AM

LBs will not look right or you will not gain the great bennefits of this reflector in a 14inch canopy. Even with Lumen Arcs your canopy will be a little too short IMO. If anything I think you should go with LA minis. LBs need to have the bulb at least 15 inches off the water.IMO

JRaquatics · 04/16/2008, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monti
I don't have a FTS of my tank right now. My tank is set up with a center back overflow with the rock arranged like an island in the center of the tank. All three sides and most of the back are open. Now with this set up it would seem ideal to have a bright spotlight focused on the center of the tank. However, as you can see from my avatar I'm a big clam guy, and most of my clams are arranged in the sand around the island. So coverage-wise I'm leaning towards the LA since I only want to use one bulb, but I wonder if there really would be that big of a difference in PAR from the large LB.

I think you would be better with 2 LB minis with 250s. But since you want to run a single bulb you will have to go with the 400 with an LB large and hang it high in order not to cook your tank and to gain a spread of 36 inches.

tony varrell · 04/16/2008, 10:36 AM

Thanks. How many LA mini's??

JRaquatics · 04/16/2008, 11:01 AM

I would go with 4 but you might be able to get away with 3 if you place your LR right under each reflector. But having The LA low will also hurt you in spread and is why I suggest getting 4.

BreadmanMike · 04/16/2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monti
I don't have a FTS of my tank right now. My tank is set up with a center back overflow with the rock arranged like an island in the center of the tank. All three sides and most of the back are open. Now with this set up it would seem ideal to have a bright spotlight focused on the center of the tank. However, as you can see from my avatar I'm a big clam guy, and most of my clams are arranged in the sand around the island. So coverage-wise I'm leaning towards the LA since I only want to use one bulb, but I wonder if there really would be that big of a difference in PAR from the large LB.

Lumenarc III is the answer for you. You'll cover the entire tank with no problem. All you need is the bottom of the pendant 10"-12" off the water surface.

tony varrell · 04/16/2008, 01:05 PM

So are there any high quality reflectors that do not require the kind of clearence you mention? Unfortunately a 20" canopy in not very appealing.

JRaquatics · 04/16/2008, 01:20 PM

That size canopy is really only ideal for VHO or TFs IMO. You can always put some parabolic reflectors in there. But better off with T5s or VHOs in a 14inch tall canopy IMO.

melev · 04/17/2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by macreefster
now that is a sweet canopy! while beyond my meager woodmaking skills, i think i can come up with something simular. is that your tank melev? very nice! just the look i want. is that tank plumbed through the wall like mine is? great way to hide all of the equipment/sumps/refugium/etc. thanks for the perfect example.... you da man!

That picture is of a reef tank I visited in South Dakota last fall. I posted quite a few pictures from that trip here on RC, probably in the correct club forum, or in Goodwin9's thread since he was my host. The owner's username is DakotaReef, if I recall correctly. The wooden canopy not only could be raised and lowered, but the crown molding could be removed to get more clearance when necessary. It was plumbed through the wall behind, had a single MH bulb with four T5 bulbs on the four sides.

Denadai · 04/18/2008, 08:48 PM

wooowwwww

awesome thread

IÂ´m going to buy my LB :-)

badazztealcobra · 04/20/2008, 10:49 PM

Just wanted to add some pictures of my new lighting setup....

Here's the completed canopy....

Before the doors and before it was on the tank....

Canopy on and lit, before the doors are put on....

Actinics only....

Halides on with actinic... (I need to fill the gap between the doors still)

The setup consists of (2) 6' VHO actinics, and (3) 250w Reeflux 12K's on Coralvue dimmable ballasts. The bulbs are 15" off the water....

Hey bubbletip, did you have a lumen meter ??? I wanted to try to get some readings that these things are putting out...

IndyMatt · 04/21/2008, 09:09 AM

I put mine in yesterday and WOW! These things increased the light in the tank a lot. I have mini's mounted with the bulb about 11" off the water. It creates a little bit of shadow in the middle but it works out since I have Acans in that section. I reduced my light cycle as to not burn anything. I am slowly increasing it by an hour every day or so.

melev · 04/21/2008, 10:49 AM

Matt, since today is the first day, just run them 4 hours. And leave it that way for a week. After a week, increase it to 5 hours for a week. Then the week after that, take it up to 6 hours a day for a week.

One hour increased daily will very likely burn some corals.

IndyMatt · 04/22/2008, 06:47 PM

Will do, I am traveling right now and I have it set for 4 hours and it has been that way since Sunday. Slow is always better!

amt68 · 04/24/2008, 05:35 PM

anyone have any problem with the lumin bright L3 DE reflectors, just tried to order two from hellolights. They recomended not to buy them that they were going to send them back to manf for problems with replacing the bulbs. They said they had several complaints. I have yet to hear any complaints on RC. I have heard of this problem with the luminarc stealth. Who knows the guy could of confused

IRISSERVICE · 04/24/2008, 05:40 PM

call http://www.reefspecialty.com/ they will advise you DE lumen Bright

icantremember · 04/24/2008, 05:55 PM

Hmm, well I think I might be in a pickle now. LOL.

I bought 2 - SLS Blue Wave VII Dual 430W HQI ballasts and 4 - Reeflux 12k's. I just ran across this thread after trying to find info on the Lumen Bright's. I believe that the PFO HQI's use the same ballast the Blue Wave HQI's use. So what now? I was hoping to overdrive the 400W bulbs to 430W and everything would be great. Now it looks like the HQI's won't even do that. Urg.....

One question though - 96x24x31 tank. I am looking at 4 LB's but I am debating on the standard size vs mini's. I have 20" above the tank to work with.

Thanks!

melev · 04/24/2008, 07:41 PM

I don't know about the HQI stuff, but regarding the reflectors:

The Large ones are 16 x 16 x 9 and will fit over your tank at 20" high. That should put the bulbs roughly at 16" off the water, and even though they are huge they won't be in your way because of their elevation. So in that aspect, I think they'd be a good choice due to the height of your tank.

I would think all 250w would be plenty with these reflectors, based on what I've seen in my own tank that is 30" tall.

Bubbletip2 might disagree, so look for his response as well.

bubbletip2 · 04/24/2008, 08:34 PM

Marc,

I am really no that disagreeable.

I swear I just wrote two pages and I got booted off of RC. I lost everything I wrote. I am sorry but I will post it again later. It is just not going to be right now.

In short Inca- go with the smalls - 16"x16"x7" - the larges are 20"x20"x9". The big ones really require 16" - you should get plenty of spread with 4 LB's at 14" to start. Marc just the size of the reflectors is the only thing I can disagree on. You are right on the money in terms of height.

As far as HQI's? I am wonderng if all this advice to get HQI's is coming from people that have stock in ComeED or something. You could ditch the HQI's and save yourself the cost of them in 6 months time just by using electronics. Electronics produce some big numbers especially under LB's. 250's would be great for a SPS dominant tank with some of these beautiful Deep Water Acros that have been around. If you really want clams at the bottom of a 32" deep tank or a gorgeous carpet anenome on the bottom than 400's would be appreciated. It all depends on what you want to grow and where you want to grow it.

I will post the rest of it later - I don't have another half hour right now to put it all down.

Got to go "Green" to save the "Green"

Nighty night folks...

Jim

melev · 04/24/2008, 10:24 PM

Jim, whenever you type up something big, save a copy to notepad or the very least to your cache. When the post doesn't take, don't click Back. Click Refresh. Wait for it to post. If it still doesn't, click Refresh again. It will still be floating in the memory until the post finally appears. Don't hammer the refresh button in the browser, just do it if it didn't accept it and you get an error message. FYI, an alert box will appear about POSTDATA and you simply click Okay/Yes.

Smaller reflectors would be fine - I had a feeling that was the case.

04/15/2008, 11:51 PM	#928
Monti Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Dallas Posts: 173	I don't have a FTS of my tank right now. My tank is set up with a center back overflow with the rock arranged like an island in the center of the tank. All three sides and most of the back are open. Now with this set up it would seem ideal to have a bright spotlight focused on the center of the tank. However, as you can see from my avatar I'm a big clam guy, and most of my clams are arranged in the sand around the island. So coverage-wise I'm leaning towards the LA since I only want to use one bulb, but I wonder if there really would be that big of a difference in PAR from the large LB. __________________ "Abraham Lincoln once said, 'If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North.'" -Michael Scott Current Tank Info: AGE 100 gal. 36x30x21 SPS dominated, ACJr, 400w 12k Reeflux in a Lumenarc III, Bubble King Mini 160 skimmer, Trigger Systems Custom Elite sump, 2x Tunze 6105 w/7095 controller, Eheim 1262 return, Geo 612 Calcium Reactor, 25 gallon frag tank inline

04/24/2008, 05:40 PM	#946
IRISSERVICE Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Beechhurst,New York Posts: 620	call http://www.reefspecialty.com/ they will advise you DE lumen Bright __________________ Tank-125G Starphire Lighting- 4x 60" Reefbrites Skimmer- H&S A200-1250 MRC Sump Refugium---Circulation Tunze Wave Box---Main Pump - Seq3200 3phase W/ VFD Cooling Current Tank Info: 125 gallon Starphire euro braced

04/24/2008, 08:34 PM	#949
bubbletip2 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Illinois Posts: 736	Marc, I am really no that disagreeable. I swear I just wrote two pages and I got booted off of RC. I lost everything I wrote. I am sorry but I will post it again later. It is just not going to be right now. In short Inca- go with the smalls - 16"x16"x7" - the larges are 20"x20"x9". The big ones really require 16" - you should get plenty of spread with 4 LB's at 14" to start. Marc just the size of the reflectors is the only thing I can disagree on. You are right on the money in terms of height. As far as HQI's? I am wonderng if all this advice to get HQI's is coming from people that have stock in ComeED or something. You could ditch the HQI's and save yourself the cost of them in 6 months time just by using electronics. Electronics produce some big numbers especially under LB's. 250's would be great for a SPS dominant tank with some of these beautiful Deep Water Acros that have been around. If you really want clams at the bottom of a 32" deep tank or a gorgeous carpet anenome on the bottom than 400's would be appreciated. It all depends on what you want to grow and where you want to grow it. I will post the rest of it later - I don't have another half hour right now to put it all down. Got to go "Green" to save the "Green" Nighty night folks... Jim __________________ 3-250W 12K Reeflux-CV Bllsts-3 Mini LB's,2 54w T5's,Advncd. ballast,2 - VTech MP40Ws,Reeflo Dart & Orca 200,Eshopps 37gsump, Ltrmtr + 1 - top off/alk-ca,RK 2 & AC JR,2 TLF Phosban Rctors,4 Orion fans Current Tank Info: 156G Oceanic SPS Dominant Reef System(L60.5 x W24.5 x H25) - 30g Cube plmbed into DT - 1 LG LB Pndt. - 250w EVC 14K(EVC Ballast) - Panworld(790gph feed)

04/16/2008, 05:40 AM	#929
MercZ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 117	I am interested in what Monti is saying b/c I am getting a 36x24x24 rimless and would like to only have 1 400 w 12k reeflux in a LB large if I could.

04/16/2008, 06:32 AM	#930
IndyMatt Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 568	Is there a difference between how far from the water the bulb needs to be for the mini's versus the larges?

04/16/2008, 10:12 AM	#931
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	Guys thanks for all the information you provided. I need to sum up. My furniture hasa already been ordered so I must build my lighting around a 14" canopy. The tank dimensions will be 84X28X25. I would be grateful if I could get comments on how to build my lighting for the new tank. I want to use SE 250w10k with VHO Atinic sumplementation. Here is a picture of my existion tank hat will be moved into the new one. For thoser of you tired of seeing this picture I am sorry. It's the only one I have.

04/16/2008, 10:25 AM	#932
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	LBs will not look right or you will not gain the great bennefits of this reflector in a 14inch canopy. Even with Lumen Arcs your canopy will be a little too short IMO. If anything I think you should go with LA minis. LBs need to have the bulb at least 15 inches off the water.IMO

04/16/2008, 10:36 AM	#934
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	Thanks. How many LA mini's??

04/16/2008, 11:01 AM	#935
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	I would go with 4 but you might be able to get away with 3 if you place your LR right under each reflector. But having The LA low will also hurt you in spread and is why I suggest getting 4.

04/16/2008, 01:05 PM	#937
tony varrell Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ft. lauderdale,fl Posts: 772	So are there any high quality reflectors that do not require the kind of clearence you mention? Unfortunately a 20" canopy in not very appealing.

04/16/2008, 01:20 PM	#938
JRaquatics Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: On RC Posts: 3,609	That size canopy is really only ideal for VHO or TFs IMO. You can always put some parabolic reflectors in there. But better off with T5s or VHOs in a 14inch tall canopy IMO.

04/18/2008, 08:48 PM	#940
Denadai Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,816	wooowwwww awesome thread IÂ´m going to buy my LB :-)

04/20/2008, 10:49 PM	#941
badazztealcobra Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Streamwood, IL Posts: 7,394	Just wanted to add some pictures of my new lighting setup.... Here's the completed canopy.... Before the doors and before it was on the tank.... Canopy on and lit, before the doors are put on.... Actinics only.... Halides on with actinic... (I need to fill the gap between the doors still) The setup consists of (2) 6' VHO actinics, and (3) 250w Reeflux 12K's on Coralvue dimmable ballasts. The bulbs are 15" off the water.... Hey bubbletip, did you have a lumen meter ??? I wanted to try to get some readings that these things are putting out...

04/21/2008, 09:09 AM	#942
IndyMatt Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 568	I put mine in yesterday and WOW! These things increased the light in the tank a lot. I have mini's mounted with the bulb about 11" off the water. It creates a little bit of shadow in the middle but it works out since I have Acans in that section. I reduced my light cycle as to not burn anything. I am slowly increasing it by an hour every day or so.

04/21/2008, 10:49 AM	#943
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Matt, since today is the first day, just run them 4 hours. And leave it that way for a week. After a week, increase it to 5 hours for a week. Then the week after that, take it up to 6 hours a day for a week. One hour increased daily will very likely burn some corals.

04/22/2008, 06:47 PM	#944
IndyMatt Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indy Posts: 568	Will do, I am traveling right now and I have it set for 4 hours and it has been that way since Sunday. Slow is always better!

04/24/2008, 05:35 PM	#945
amt68 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Louisville,Ky Posts: 49	anyone have any problem with the lumin bright L3 DE reflectors, just tried to order two from hellolights. They recomended not to buy them that they were going to send them back to manf for problems with replacing the bulbs. They said they had several complaints. I have yet to hear any complaints on RC. I have heard of this problem with the luminarc stealth. Who knows the guy could of confused

04/24/2008, 05:55 PM	#947
icantremember Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 191	Hmm, well I think I might be in a pickle now. LOL. I bought 2 - SLS Blue Wave VII Dual 430W HQI ballasts and 4 - Reeflux 12k's. I just ran across this thread after trying to find info on the Lumen Bright's. I believe that the PFO HQI's use the same ballast the Blue Wave HQI's use. So what now? I was hoping to overdrive the 400W bulbs to 430W and everything would be great. Now it looks like the HQI's won't even do that. Urg..... One question though - 96x24x31 tank. I am looking at 4 LB's but I am debating on the standard size vs mini's. I have 20" above the tank to work with. Thanks!

04/24/2008, 07:41 PM	#948
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	I don't know about the HQI stuff, but regarding the reflectors: The Large ones are 16 x 16 x 9 and will fit over your tank at 20" high. That should put the bulbs roughly at 16" off the water, and even though they are huge they won't be in your way because of their elevation. So in that aspect, I think they'd be a good choice due to the height of your tank. I would think all 250w would be plenty with these reflectors, based on what I've seen in my own tank that is 30" tall. Bubbletip2 might disagree, so look for his response as well.

04/24/2008, 10:24 PM	#950
melev Moved On Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ft Worth, Tx Posts: 43,217	Jim, whenever you type up something big, save a copy to notepad or the very least to your cache. When the post doesn't take, don't click Back. Click Refresh. Wait for it to post. If it still doesn't, click Refresh again. It will still be floating in the memory until the post finally appears. Don't hammer the refresh button in the browser, just do it if it didn't accept it and you get an error message. FYI, an alert box will appear about POSTDATA and you simply click Okay/Yes. Smaller reflectors would be fine - I had a feeling that was the case.