Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted???

[kentrob11]

Can't you guys just put a drain on them?

[UCanDoIt]

Originally posted by kentrob11
Can't you guys just put a drain on them?

My biggest concern on an open drain valve is if the skimmer goes crazy while you're gone, you'll have a flood, but worst is the mess is one stinky fish poop mess.

NO UPDATES ON THE BM200 TODAY. Just called my local dealer and he said that he woke up to the BM200 overflowing. He dosed his regular additives last night and after 3 hours, the skimmer seemed stable, but this morning was a different story. Needs to readjust the waterlevel lower.

This is exactly what I mean about the skimmer going crazy and overflowing. With the BM150, never had a overflow situation, but on day 1 on the BM200... you may need to install a float switch in the external collection container to stop the skimmer if it overflows.

What I like most about drain valves is not to leave the valve open, but to leave it closed. Then when it comes to collection cup cleaning day, just open the valve and drain out the skimmate first, so the cup isn't so heavy to deal with.

[RGibson]

what is needed is a float valve in the collection cup to turn off the air going to the skimmer when the cup is full .

[Paulairduck]

Ive trimmed some excess off of the wheel, now there are no restart issues, but this thing, keeps oveflowing as mentioned before, did ati do any testing on these skimmers before sending them out, I have never spent this much time with a skimmer, it's starting to get to me!!!!@@!@!@!@!@!@!@!

[King-Kong]

A float switch in the collection chamber would take care of the floods.

I'll be building one before this Christmas for my needlewheel.

[bubbaOPPD]

Why do we have to keep putting these bandaids on this skimmer to work? If ATI were a smart company they should have sent out a 100 of the skimmers to get tested by real-world reefers to work out the bugs. This is the reason why Ford is losing so much money, you don't want to beta test a new car, why should we beta test a new skimmer. I think I will be sending mine back for a refund and get the H&S like I should have done in the first place...if I were smarter.

[steve the plumb]

Well thats the thing H&S has been out for a while with great skimmers.I wonder what people thought of H&S when they first came out.There will always be bugs in the system.You are looking at diff voltage it takes time to get it right.I don't thimk every skimmer will work 100% out of the box there are always variables.I would give it 3 weeks to a month to break in.Problem with that 3 weeks of crap building up in the tank and no room to place your old skimmer back.This is my biggest reason to have a sump room.I won't start up again without it.Its nice to have the room for more than 1 sump or at least one huge sump.The problem with this hobby is sometimes we play with fire when adding a new component to the mix.It seems like a good skimmer maybe some more time is needed,everyones tank isn't the same.I never got dark brown skimate out of my tank always green tea.I would wait it out and see.I don't think ATI would just hand out skimmers without testing first.It costs way to much money to manufature the skimmers.Its not worth the reputation to sell a bad product

[bubbaOPPD]

Yeah that may be true, but good companies are supposed to learn from the failures of others...not repeat the same problems. Your just trying to condone poor business practices, if you bought a new TV that just came out would you be happy if you had to add a cloth hanger to it to make it work correctly? Also the formula of Frequency=Speed x No. Poles/120 has been around for a long time.

[Roland Jacques]

Originally posted by bubbaOPPD
Why do we have to keep putting these bandaids on this skimmer to work? If ATI were a smart company they should have sent out a 100 of the skimmers to get tested by real-world reefers to work out the bugs. This is the reason why Ford is losing so much money, you don't want to beta test a new car, why should we beta test a new skimmer. I think I will be sending mine back for a refund and get the H&S like I should have done in the first place...if I were smarter.

I agree' they should have made the skimmer output adjustable from the start. If they had, no one would have to wait for break in, or trim wheels...to get a fair performance level that the owner would like, form the start. It seems pretty obvious, that would have made it way more user friendly. Im afraid the new ones coming are still going to have issuses of the output not being able to go low enough to get the dry skimmate wanted by some. We will soon see just how adjustable they are.

Personaly I choose performance over userfreindly so trimming a wheel or waiting... is no biggy to me, but I think they could have had both super performance and user-friendly.

[Roland Jacques]

Originally posted by UCanDoIt

is the impeller wheel section (yellow part) partially free spining, or fixed directly to the magnite?

[UCanDoIt]

Free spinning... partially

[Paulairduck]

It is not about being stubborn to make, adjustments to the skimmer, it is about getting this skimmer to work just a little, I can always make mods and get it to perform better, but my ati 200 doesnt skim at all, all it does is overflow and not an ounce of even light brown skimmate. My modded asm mini pulls more gunk than this thing and I thought that skimmer was a waste of money, I got 4 C notes invested in this one, so hopefully someone will come up with a solution, I cant even imagine putting this skimmer on my SPS tank as of right now.

I think the pump is fine, it pulls 12 lpm on my air meter, and bubbles are very small in size, it seems to me that the height and the design of the skimmer is wrong, but I am not an expert.

I have e-mailed greg @ reefgeek, hopefully he has some ideas.

Hammercoral, I know got his ati 200 without the venturi and he made his own and got some skimmate, I can't wait until he posts those pics

[UCanDoIt]

Roland, I will not make any comments except to state some facts about this side by side:

1. 100g Reef with 2x daily feedings liquid & pellets for fish & corals
2. 30 hours after collection cup cleaning on both skimmers
3. collection cup left is 6" diameter x 6" tall, right is 6" diameter x 5" tall
4. all additive dosing took place yesterday afternoon including Kent Marine Essential Elements
5. yes, skimmate color on left is lime green and right is emerald green/tea
6. left skimmer only can skim VERY wet as the exhaust pipe is at the minimum and cannot be adjusted for drier, right skimmer is skims normal wet with the waste forming at the top of the riser pipe (dark brown you see at top half of riser pipe is the waste and not the background)
7. frozen mysids and cyclopeze fed yesterday and today to get the skimming going, normally only about twice a week

And Roland, no questions please. This is for you to draw your own conclusions. You're welcome!

[Roland Jacques]

Originally posted by UCanDoIt
And Roland, no questions please. This is for you to draw your own conclusions. You're welcome! [/B]

Thank You, you are Awesome.

no more questions

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[bond007069]

Originally posted by Paulairduck
all it does is overflow and not an ounce of even light brown skimmate.

If this is happening you prolly have the 47 mm threadwheel, and you need to cut it down to 45 mm.

But i see you already did this, Correct?

Try and take the riser assembly off and just let the water come out naturally, this will lower the water level and you will not overflow the cup

[RGibson]

Paulairduck it looks like it is time to get your money back on that skimmer,the factory has not none the RD on the skimmers.

[bond007069]

Originally posted by RGibson
Paulairduck it looks like it is time to get your money back on that skimmer,the factory has not none the RD on the skimmers.

thats not a fair statment, why say that anyways.

[Creetin]

Bond, He is a beckett activist.
I wouldnt go that far, I understand i would be worried if for that long and no skimate.

[bond007069]

On a Kill-a-watt meter


each pump is drawing 28-30 watts at 40 schf air EACH PUMP





i will not say anything of about the becketts air/wattage ratio, it is self evident

[RGibson]

bond the air/wattage ratio on a beckett is much better if you used a Iwaki MD55RLT pump with a DC motor.

[Newreeflady]

Originally posted by UCanDoIt
For those who has been following this BM150, I don't know if you've noticed that during this 2nd week, the amount of skimmate takes 1/2 the time to accumulate. During the 1st week, this much skimmate took 48 hours to accumulate. As fast as this is accumulating, one would need to empty out the collection cup every other day. Also, after the 1st week, there hasn't been any Kent Marine Essential Elements put into the tank to test if the theory was true that it causes the emerald green color in the skimmate. Guess it's true! Hope everyone has enjoyed the posts... now this skimmer will move on to Fliger...

How long did it take you to get this result? I still have no skimmate, just the one flood before I removed the output adjuster.

thx,
-A

[Creetin]

I would wait a little more, If no results place the riser tube back in all the way down, and raise daily till desired results. JMO Though TIFWIW.

[Newreeflady]

No, I can't put the riser tube back in the current configuration. It was all the way down when it flooded. I am not looking for another flood.

btw, TIFWIW??? I don't even want to know. When it gets this long you may want to just write it out.

-A

[mta]

Try it for what its worth? JAG.

[Creetin]

Take it for what its worth.