KZ Coral Snow = Chalk? - Page 4

bertoni · 10/19/2016, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason2459

But it's certainly not Ca(OH)2 which is what I guess I was highlighting as it was questioned that it could be.

Yes, I agree. It's not Kalk.

EvMiBo · 10/22/2016, 07:19 AM

1/8 tsp to 100 mL rodi,
then 5mL/25g, correct?

jedimasterben · 10/22/2016, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvMiBo

1/8 tsp to 100 mL rodi,
then 5mL/25g, correct?

Doesn't particularly matter. Just an estimate will do the job?

jason2459 · 10/22/2016, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvMiBo

1/8 tsp to 100 mL rodi,
then 5mL/25g, correct?

I'm not sure exact amounts mater to much like jedimasterben mentioned.

I used this recommendation someone gave me and marked off that water bottle I posted earlier just to maintain consistency.

Quote:

230 ml RODI and 20 ml calcium crbonate. Mix it up but it won't disolve. Add 1 ml per 20 gal of the solution you just made

EvMiBo · 10/22/2016, 08:30 AM

Alright great thanks

Buzz1329 · 10/22/2016, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jason2459

Here's what I use and mix up. Then just shake and add a tablespoon to my 180.

Add 18tbs CaCO3 then add RODI to the 900ml line.

Thanks. Are you dosing daily or weekly?

Mike

jason2459 · 10/22/2016, 06:04 PM

I was dosing daily and then weekly. Never noticed a difference on water clarity. However, I have noticed an increase of coraline. Which they may like the textured covered surfaces that the CaCO3 sticks to. It was something that was also proposed as what people notice when they dose a product like purple up as it also contains CaCO3.

EvMiBo · 10/22/2016, 06:37 PM

Fwiw 1/8tsp per 100mL doesn't cut it imo. When I dosed it was barely cloudy. I remember dosing coral snow and the tank being pretty cloudy. So I doubled it to 1/4tsp per 100mL rodi and its better. I think 1/2tsp per 100mL might be a good to make it similar to what kz Coral snow looks like.

Buzz1329 · 10/23/2016, 05:54 PM

Thanks jason2459.

Mike

Buzz1329 · 10/23/2016, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvMiBo

Fwiw 1/8tsp per 100mL doesn't cut it imo. When I dosed it was barely cloudy. I remember dosing coral snow and the tank being pretty cloudy. So I doubled it to 1/4tsp per 100mL rodi and its better. I think 1/2tsp per 100mL might be a good to make it similar to what kz Coral snow looks like.

How often do you dose?

EvMiBo · 10/23/2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz1329

How often do you dose?

My first time dosing this was yesterday, today my water was the clearest it's been since I started this tank over 6 months ago. For now I'm going to dose it 2-3 times a week.

jayball · 10/24/2016, 12:18 PM

Does anyone have a picture or video they can link to show how "cloudy" the water is supposed to look immediately after dosing?
Are there any possible negative effects from this?

Thanks.

jedimasterben · 10/24/2016, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayball

Does anyone have a picture or video they can link to show how "cloudy" the water is supposed to look immediately after dosing?
Are there any possible negative effects from this?

Thanks.

It just looks like someone stirred up a ton of super fine sand. No negatives except a cloudy tank for a couple of hours.

rtparty · 09/23/2017, 12:52 AM

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but anyone still dosing calcium carbonate?

I just ordered a 5lb bag off Amazon and can't wait to try it out

jayball · 09/23/2017, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rtparty

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but anyone still dosing calcium carbonate?

I just ordered a 5lb bag off Amazon and can't wait to try it out

I still use it once a week or so. Visible difference the next morning. A 5 lb bag is going to last a lifetime.

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rtparty · 09/23/2017, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayball

I still use it once a week or so. Visible difference the next morning. A 5 lb bag is going to last a lifetime.

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Yeah it was $11 with shipping for 1lb or $13 for 5lb with free shipping

karimwassef · 09/23/2017, 09:54 PM

Wait - just in case I misread - is there an argument that fine chalk could actually be used by coralline incorporating it into its matrix?

Could it be a vehicle for collecting dissolved organics, not for export through a skimmer, but for assimilation by living organisms? Kind of like a shopping cart of yummies where the cart ends up being used to build too...

Basically, particulates can reduce light penetration. So coalescing then into a larger "food particle" improves light penetration for photosynthesis, and calcification while simultaneously providing a meal...

I realize that calcification needs free Calcium ions most of the time, but could fine powder Calcium carbonate be "assimilated" rather than synthesized occasionally?

No one explicitly said this- but looking at its action as a flocculant, the increase in coralline, the water clarity... I'm just connecting dots.

bertoni · 09/24/2017, 12:15 AM

Finely ground calcium carbonate seems to act as a flocculant. It might tend to remove a fair amount of calcium and alkalinity from the water by acting as a source of nucleation sites. I don't think it'd add any to the water. Even as a very fine powder, not much can dissolve, since most tanks already are in supersaturation.

karimwassef · 09/24/2017, 01:13 AM

I wasn't talking about adding calcium to the water... not dissolving.

I was looking at the calcium powder collecting dissolved organics and making a food source that 1. allows more light 2. collects food for corals to consume 3. provides small calcium carbonate particles for assimilation (not synthesis)

bertoni · 09/25/2017, 03:38 PM

I'm not sure how many corals would consume such particles, and I don't know whether their digestive systems do much with the calcium carbonate. It might work as far as the organics providing food.

adtravels · 09/29/2017, 08:41 AM

I am presuming FM coral balance is very similar but with some form of nutrition added...

bertoni · 09/29/2017, 05:32 PM

I looked at the description of Coral Balance, and it's hard to tell much from it. The product seems to be something like a carbon source along with other trace elements, but I can't be sure.

adtravels · 09/30/2017, 11:08 AM

I have used it for months, I will add some vinegar To it and see what happens.

adtravels · 10/01/2017, 05:37 AM

It fizzed a little but ( FM coral balance) there was plenty of precipitate left in the vinegar so it must contain a percentage of ca,chum carbonate but there is defo other stuff in it.

bertoni · 10/01/2017, 03:48 PM

Well, I'm not sure why they would put calcium carbonate in Coral Balance, but you're probably right about that.

10/22/2016, 07:19 AM	#77
EvMiBo VictoriaConcordiaCrescit Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 1,929	1/8 tsp to 100 mL rodi, then 5mL/25g, correct? __________________ Evan \| DSA 135g Peninsula

10/22/2016, 08:30 AM	#80
EvMiBo VictoriaConcordiaCrescit Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 1,929	Alright great thanks __________________ Evan \| DSA 135g Peninsula

10/22/2016, 06:04 PM	#82
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	I was dosing daily and then weekly. Never noticed a difference on water clarity. However, I have noticed an increase of coraline. Which they may like the textured covered surfaces that the CaCO3 sticks to. It was something that was also proposed as what people notice when they dose a product like purple up as it also contains CaCO3. __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

10/22/2016, 06:37 PM	#83
EvMiBo VictoriaConcordiaCrescit Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ft. Myers, FL Posts: 1,929	Fwiw 1/8tsp per 100mL doesn't cut it imo. When I dosed it was barely cloudy. I remember dosing coral snow and the tank being pretty cloudy. So I doubled it to 1/4tsp per 100mL rodi and its better. I think 1/2tsp per 100mL might be a good to make it similar to what kz Coral snow looks like. __________________ Evan \| DSA 135g Peninsula

09/23/2017, 12:52 AM	#89
rtparty Raise The Reef! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Utah Posts: 7,404	Sorry to resurrect an old thread but anyone still dosing calcium carbonate? I just ordered a 5lb bag off Amazon and can't wait to try it out __________________ Ryan Click on my user name and check out my homepage! Current Tank Info: 50g Cadlights/Giesemann Spectra (250w Radium, 2 ATI Blue Plus, 2 ATI Actinic)/2 x Vortech MP10wQD/Skimz SN123/Eheim Compact 3000+

10/23/2016, 05:54 PM	#84
Buzz1329 Premium Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Staten Island Posts: 2,414	Thanks jason2459. Mike

10/24/2016, 12:18 PM	#87
jayball Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,671	Does anyone have a picture or video they can link to show how "cloudy" the water is supposed to look immediately after dosing? Are there any possible negative effects from this? Thanks.

09/23/2017, 09:54 PM	#92
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	Wait - just in case I misread - is there an argument that fine chalk could actually be used by coralline incorporating it into its matrix? Could it be a vehicle for collecting dissolved organics, not for export through a skimmer, but for assimilation by living organisms? Kind of like a shopping cart of yummies where the cart ends up being used to build too... Basically, particulates can reduce light penetration. So coalescing then into a larger "food particle" improves light penetration for photosynthesis, and calcification while simultaneously providing a meal... I realize that calcification needs free Calcium ions most of the time, but could fine powder Calcium carbonate be "assimilated" rather than synthesized occasionally? No one explicitly said this- but looking at its action as a flocculant, the increase in coralline, the water clarity... I'm just connecting dots. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/24/2017, 12:15 AM	#93
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Finely ground calcium carbonate seems to act as a flocculant. It might tend to remove a fair amount of calcium and alkalinity from the water by acting as a source of nucleation sites. I don't think it'd add any to the water. Even as a very fine powder, not much can dissolve, since most tanks already are in supersaturation. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/24/2017, 01:13 AM	#94
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I wasn't talking about adding calcium to the water... not dissolving. I was looking at the calcium powder collecting dissolved organics and making a food source that 1. allows more light 2. collects food for corals to consume 3. provides small calcium carbonate particles for assimilation (not synthesis) __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

09/25/2017, 03:38 PM	#95
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I'm not sure how many corals would consume such particles, and I don't know whether their digestive systems do much with the calcium carbonate. It might work as far as the organics providing food. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/29/2017, 08:41 AM	#96
adtravels you cant buy blue fingers Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,542	I am presuming FM coral balance is very similar but with some form of nutrition added... __________________ False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness. Current Tank Info: 90 gallon 36x24x24 reef

09/29/2017, 05:32 PM	#97
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I looked at the description of Coral Balance, and it's hard to tell much from it. The product seems to be something like a carbon source along with other trace elements, but I can't be sure. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

09/30/2017, 11:08 AM	#98
adtravels you cant buy blue fingers Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,542	I have used it for months, I will add some vinegar To it and see what happens. __________________ False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness. Current Tank Info: 90 gallon 36x24x24 reef

10/01/2017, 05:37 AM	#99
adtravels you cant buy blue fingers Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,542	It fizzed a little but ( FM coral balance) there was plenty of precipitate left in the vinegar so it must contain a percentage of ca,chum carbonate but there is defo other stuff in it. __________________ False facts are highly injurious to the progress of science, for they often endure long; but false views supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness. Current Tank Info: 90 gallon 36x24x24 reef

10/01/2017, 03:48 PM	#100
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Well, I'm not sure why they would put calcium carbonate in Coral Balance, but you're probably right about that. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni