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saveafish · 08/03/2008, 03:08 PM

My wife has taken to the mantis shrimp and she wants one! I cant have anything else for my reef tank till she has hers! My question is for a beginner who wants to have other fish in the tank what type of mantis shrimp would you suggest?

Gonodactylus · 08/07/2008, 03:57 PM

Gonodactylus chiragra, smithii or platysoma usually leave large non-predator fish alone. The same is true of Neogonodactylids. While I don't recommend it, many people have kept fish with a 3 inch gonodactylid for years.

Roy

saveafish · 08/09/2008, 11:26 PM

Thank you for the info

havre · 08/10/2008, 03:10 PM

I have 1 armatus, 3 chromis and 1 salarias with my scyllarus and he doesnt even look at them funny. The mantis is about 17 centimeters.

Regards THomas

saveafish · 08/16/2008, 04:19 PM

Ok I have a couple questions about the peacock mantis ( which is the one my wife wants). If I get her a small one what is the smallest tank size I can get away with? Also would a lion fish be a possible co-habitant with it?

J2FcM · 08/26/2008, 03:59 PM

I think a lion fish would be a bad idea. Most people recommend 20gallons min. and I think Roy's list has it at 26gal. I would go for a 30 personally, especially if you want to chance putting fish with your stomato

J2FcM · 08/26/2008, 04:08 PM

oh, and to answer the lionfish better...

If its a full grown voltaire then I think theres a chance it'll eat the mantis, or at least try.
If its a dwarf, the mantis might kill the lionfish.
Either way... 2 predators... 1 tank.
I've read the forums quite a bit and have also heard of the mantis being successfully consumed BUT, not yet killed, and it proceeds to pound the guts of the fish into oblivion from the inside as they both die horrible deaths.
My plan has been to keep a mantis in 1 tank and a dwarf lion in another tank... I like each animal so much I'd hate to see either or both die fighting each other.

theyoda55 · 09/14/2008, 08:19 PM

wow, this list looks very interesting. the idea of keeping a stomatopod in a special tank has been slowly getting into my head since they are apparently a more intelligent creature than most. at my local pet shop, there is a peacock smasher and a zebra spearer and im very intriqued by the way the set up their homes with what they got. i didnt know there was so many species.

oh, and did anyone notice that the picture of the Neogonodactylus wennerae species looks like Dr. Eggman from the sonic video games? i thought it looked cool anyways, but now...

Warr7207 · 10/18/2008, 05:58 PM

I have just recently acquired a Odontodactylus scyllarus.

What a beautiful and interesting creature. These creatures seem to be very engaging and intelligent.

Is there anyway of knowing what sex she/he maybe ?

Gonodactylus · 10/19/2008, 01:09 AM

Males have a pair of copulatory tubes hanging down from the inside base of the last pair of walking legs.

Roy

Warr7207 · 10/19/2008, 03:00 AM

Thanks for the info Roy.

I can imagine not easy to check

Rob_Zamites · 10/19/2008, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warr7207
Thanks for the info Roy.

I can imagine not easy to check

Unless you're a female mantis

skleek · 07/30/2009, 01:13 PM

Awesome!~

Koshmar · 12/28/2009, 12:04 PM

I've noticed that my male G. chiragra has two white dots on his upper dorsal carapace beneath the rostral plate. Is this a species characteristic? I looked on the site but didn't see a note on this feature. Also I have been observing since I got my S. rugosa that she seems to be nocturnal, that is she comes out of her burrow when the lights are out but stays inside during the day. This happens regularly so it isn't correlated with a lunar phase to my knowledge.

Gonodactylus · 12/28/2009, 12:11 PM

Squilla rugosa, like most squillids, are nocturnal foraging a short distance from their burrows at night. This correlates with the fact that their eyes have evolved for low-light vision (they do not distinguish color).

Don't know about spots on G. chiragra, Many photos that I have of various color morphs do not have them.

Roy

Koshmar · 12/29/2009, 12:04 AM

That matches my S. rugosa's behavior perfectly. So squillids' eyes are not the same as say gonodactylids'? So not only have their raptorial appendages been modified but their eyes differ according habitat and prey? Interesting, I had no idea spearers and smashers were so different.

I guess the spots on my chiragra are just a color morph then, just wondering. Thanks for the quick reply.

closb841 · 02/20/2010, 03:50 PM

hey awesome list roy thanks a lot. does anyone know where i can get zebra mantis i really want one. if someone knows where i can get one please let me know

ahhwataday · 03/09/2010, 12:58 AM

MAN, That.is.awesome!

I need to do some research on those and try to find one or two for my tank

sjmantis · 06/28/2010, 05:53 PM

Was eying the list right now as it's slow from work. Noticed something on the notes concerning O.scyllarus. It says "Aquarium size (adult): 100 l". Does that mean 100 liters, as in 26 gallons?

Dana42078 · 03/11/2011, 03:18 AM

I have a question Roy. I had no idea on the mantis i was buying pre hand. I accidently bought a Gonodactylaceus ternatensis. Ive had him for 3 months now. He's about 4-5 inches. He's molted once. He's only in a 20g tank with 48 watts.

The more reading i do one these guys the more im curious. Could i put more light on my tank? I mean these guys are found in shallow water and in sps corals? I plan on moving him to a 55g in the fall just want to know if a "brighter" light to keep sps would give him shell rot or do any harm.

Roy could you also tell me how big he can get? Im afraid hes going to out grow the 20g.

Gonodactylus · 03/11/2011, 12:18 PM

It can handle more light as long as it has a dark burrow.

The largest G. ternatensis ever recorded was 12.4 cm, but they rarely get over 8 cm.

Roy

Dana42078 · 03/11/2011, 05:43 PM

Wow, if the ID is correct i might have a record on my hands....when he passes i'll have to bust out the ruler! I'll get some better pictures and we'll see. Thanks Roy!

Gonodactylus · 03/11/2011, 05:47 PM

Measure from the tips of the eyes to the tip of the telson. Don't include the antennules.

12.4 cm is not only the largest G. ternatensis, it is the largest individual in the family Gonodactylidae.

Roy

return11 · 04/03/2011, 12:51 PM

Thank you very much!

KoralKeith · 06/08/2011, 01:58 AM

Wow nice list

08/03/2008, 03:08 PM	#76
saveafish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: indiana Posts: 873	My wife has taken to the mantis shrimp and she wants one! I cant have anything else for my reef tank till she has hers! My question is for a beginner who wants to have other fish in the tank what type of mantis shrimp would you suggest? __________________ If it was'nt for the sea I could not see or sing ( Jimmy Buffet ) I like to glue animals to rocks and put disturbing amounts of electricity and saltwater next to each other Reefing is'nt how long you been in it. It is how deep you get in it. Current Tank Info: 400g display build, 300g sump, 75g ATO, 75g refug and a few more. Close to a 1000g. 200g mixing station.

08/09/2008, 11:26 PM	#78
saveafish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: indiana Posts: 873	Thank you for the info __________________ If it was'nt for the sea I could not see or sing ( Jimmy Buffet ) I like to glue animals to rocks and put disturbing amounts of electricity and saltwater next to each other Reefing is'nt how long you been in it. It is how deep you get in it. Current Tank Info: 400g display build, 300g sump, 75g ATO, 75g refug and a few more. Close to a 1000g. 200g mixing station.

08/16/2008, 04:19 PM	#80
saveafish Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: indiana Posts: 873	Ok I have a couple questions about the peacock mantis ( which is the one my wife wants). If I get her a small one what is the smallest tank size I can get away with? Also would a lion fish be a possible co-habitant with it? __________________ If it was'nt for the sea I could not see or sing ( Jimmy Buffet ) I like to glue animals to rocks and put disturbing amounts of electricity and saltwater next to each other Reefing is'nt how long you been in it. It is how deep you get in it. Current Tank Info: 400g display build, 300g sump, 75g ATO, 75g refug and a few more. Close to a 1000g. 200g mixing station.

08/26/2008, 03:59 PM	#81
J2FcM Mantis Sociopath. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Posts: 346	I think a lion fish would be a bad idea. Most people recommend 20gallons min. and I think Roy's list has it at 26gal. I would go for a 30 personally, especially if you want to chance putting fish with your stomato __________________ So Cal, Orange. Mantis Shrimp, Lionfish, Fire Poi, Climbing, Snorkel, and a night time dance machine! Current Tank Info: 50g fw, & 29g DwarfLion <3(RIP Mantoids =( )

09/14/2008, 08:19 PM	#83
theyoda55 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Hartford, CT Posts: 92	wow, this list looks very interesting. the idea of keeping a stomatopod in a special tank has been slowly getting into my head since they are apparently a more intelligent creature than most. at my local pet shop, there is a peacock smasher and a zebra spearer and im very intriqued by the way the set up their homes with what they got. i didnt know there was so many species. oh, and did anyone notice that the picture of the Neogonodactylus wennerae species looks like Dr. Eggman from the sonic video games? i thought it looked cool anyways, but now... __________________ ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD. Current Tank Info: 120 gal reef/fish

08/07/2008, 03:57 PM	#77
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Gonodactylus chiragra, smithii or platysoma usually leave large non-predator fish alone. The same is true of Neogonodactylids. While I don't recommend it, many people have kept fish with a 3 inch gonodactylid for years. Roy

08/10/2008, 03:10 PM	#79
havre Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 8	I have 1 armatus, 3 chromis and 1 salarias with my scyllarus and he doesnt even look at them funny. The mantis is about 17 centimeters. Regards THomas

08/26/2008, 04:08 PM	#82
J2FcM Mantis Sociopath. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Posts: 346	oh, and to answer the lionfish better... If its a full grown voltaire then I think theres a chance it'll eat the mantis, or at least try. If its a dwarf, the mantis might kill the lionfish. Either way... 2 predators... 1 tank. I've read the forums quite a bit and have also heard of the mantis being successfully consumed BUT, not yet killed, and it proceeds to pound the guts of the fish into oblivion from the inside as they both die horrible deaths. My plan has been to keep a mantis in 1 tank and a dwarf lion in another tank... I like each animal so much I'd hate to see either or both die fighting each other.

10/18/2008, 05:58 PM	#84
Warr7207 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 7	I have just recently acquired a Odontodactylus scyllarus. What a beautiful and interesting creature. These creatures seem to be very engaging and intelligent. Is there anyway of knowing what sex she/he maybe ? __________________ They must find it difficult..... Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority - G. Massey Current Tank Info: 500L Reef Tank

10/19/2008, 01:09 AM	#85
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Males have a pair of copulatory tubes hanging down from the inside base of the last pair of walking legs. Roy

10/19/2008, 03:00 AM	#86
Warr7207 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 7	Thanks for the info Roy. I can imagine not easy to check __________________ They must find it difficult..... Those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth as the authority - G. Massey Current Tank Info: 500L Reef Tank

07/30/2009, 01:13 PM	#88
skleek Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: fort lauderdale FL Posts: 149	Awesome!~

12/28/2009, 12:04 PM	#89
Koshmar The Hardy Mongolian Pony Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,372	I've noticed that my male G. chiragra has two white dots on his upper dorsal carapace beneath the rostral plate. Is this a species characteristic? I looked on the site but didn't see a note on this feature. Also I have been observing since I got my S. rugosa that she seems to be nocturnal, that is she comes out of her burrow when the lights are out but stays inside during the day. This happens regularly so it isn't correlated with a lunar phase to my knowledge.

12/28/2009, 12:11 PM	#90
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Squilla rugosa, like most squillids, are nocturnal foraging a short distance from their burrows at night. This correlates with the fact that their eyes have evolved for low-light vision (they do not distinguish color). Don't know about spots on G. chiragra, Many photos that I have of various color morphs do not have them. Roy

12/29/2009, 12:04 AM	#91
Koshmar The Hardy Mongolian Pony Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 1,372	That matches my S. rugosa's behavior perfectly. So squillids' eyes are not the same as say gonodactylids'? So not only have their raptorial appendages been modified but their eyes differ according habitat and prey? Interesting, I had no idea spearers and smashers were so different. I guess the spots on my chiragra are just a color morph then, just wondering. Thanks for the quick reply.

02/20/2010, 03:50 PM	#92
closb841 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: hoffman estates il Posts: 317	list hey awesome list roy thanks a lot. does anyone know where i can get zebra mantis i really want one. if someone knows where i can get one please let me know

03/09/2010, 12:58 AM	#93
ahhwataday Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 49	MAN, That.is.awesome! I need to do some research on those and try to find one or two for my tank

06/28/2010, 05:53 PM	#94
sjmantis On the cliff by the sea.. Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 561	Was eying the list right now as it's slow from work. Noticed something on the notes concerning O.scyllarus. It says "Aquarium size (adult): 100 l". Does that mean 100 liters, as in 26 gallons?

03/11/2011, 03:18 AM	#95
Dana42078 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Racine Wisconsin Posts: 607	I have a question Roy. I had no idea on the mantis i was buying pre hand. I accidently bought a Gonodactylaceus ternatensis. Ive had him for 3 months now. He's about 4-5 inches. He's molted once. He's only in a 20g tank with 48 watts. The more reading i do one these guys the more im curious. Could i put more light on my tank? I mean these guys are found in shallow water and in sps corals? I plan on moving him to a 55g in the fall just want to know if a "brighter" light to keep sps would give him shell rot or do any harm. Roy could you also tell me how big he can get? Im afraid hes going to out grow the 20g.

03/11/2011, 12:18 PM	#96
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	It can handle more light as long as it has a dark burrow. The largest G. ternatensis ever recorded was 12.4 cm, but they rarely get over 8 cm. Roy

03/11/2011, 05:43 PM	#97
Dana42078 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Racine Wisconsin Posts: 607	Wow, if the ID is correct i might have a record on my hands....when he passes i'll have to bust out the ruler! I'll get some better pictures and we'll see. Thanks Roy!

03/11/2011, 05:47 PM	#98
Gonodactylus Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Berkeley, CA, USA Posts: 5,024	Measure from the tips of the eyes to the tip of the telson. Don't include the antennules. 12.4 cm is not only the largest G. ternatensis, it is the largest individual in the family Gonodactylidae. Roy

04/03/2011, 12:51 PM	#99
return11 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4	Thank you very much!

06/08/2011, 01:58 AM	#100
KoralKeith Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 110	Wow nice list __________________ I need a bag of zoanthids