Eel Identification with pic? Help me out here - Page 4

freddy4130 · 04/01/2009, 09:32 PM

Ridiculous and lame.

Littleg182 · 04/01/2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by erichatesmice
Looks like a Pacific Snake Eel to me.

That looks more like it, nice find erichatesmice. Good old Ophichthus triserialis. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/pseel/pseel.htm Definitely it!

Littleg182 · 04/01/2009, 10:24 PM

Is there a way to lock this thread so no more ridiculous comments can be made? Thanks again erich

tcmfish · 04/01/2009, 10:34 PM

Hey just so you know that fish does not occur in Florida. It lives in the Eastern Pacific.

freddy4130 · 04/02/2009, 05:50 AM

LOL. He made up the whole story just to get flamed by the momma's basement brigade. He really didn't collect them in Florida since "that fish doesn't occurr in Florida." what actually happened is he flew halfway across the world, collected them and created this thread to **** you off. LOL at the shortbus crew.

freddy4130 · 04/02/2009, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by Littleg182
That looks more like it, nice find erichatesmice. Good old Ophichthus triserialis. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/pseel/pseel.htm Definitely it!

The description clearly says, a few times, that the. Mexican eel has no fin on the tail. Obviously, the eel pictures above have been modified.

plyle02 · 04/02/2009, 08:02 AM

Why do people here give a fat baby's as* if the OP found something cool, put it in a bucket, took it home, and tried to re-create an environment as close as the one he discovered them in... I am pretty sure that is how this hobby started to begin with, so as long as he operates within FL's collecting laws, has a license, and btw studies this very field, I really don't think he deserves the bashing. So I guess all those cool shells you tourists take home to display on the mantle of your fireplace, from your family trip to FL, were not collected right? BTW, they were probably not empty shells.....as a FYI... You ever heard of conch, or conch fritters, conch soup? It does not come from a plastic package at the supermarket, it comes from the ocean...

freddy4130 · 04/02/2009, 08:20 AM

FL laws? Obviously this is a Mexican eel. The OP obviously collected it in Mexico and not Florida. Hello?

goldmaniac · 04/02/2009, 09:38 AM

Those Mexican Eels work much harder than American Eels. good find.

the OP only asked for an ID, not for opinions from sheltered, softie, cushioned, living-in-a-bubble mommas-boys / daddys-girls.

he's doing a good job providing an environment for these animals, more than you can say about your shrimp cocktails or crab cakes or fish-fillet sandwiches or your sushi lunches.

the real world consists of animals that we eat. Sure, we should be responsible as well, and IMO the original poster is doing that.

anyone giving the OP any trouble should return any animals in their reef tanks that were not propogated, aka Wild. that includes clean-up crew, fish, and any inverts. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite.

my $.02

I hope the mods close this thread soon, now that an ID has been found.

noahm · 04/02/2009, 09:41 AM

This is the funniest and saddest/most pathetic thread I've read in a long time.

Nice eels. Imagine, a marine biologist can't I'd something right off the bat. As a plant taxonomist, I can't imagine EVER finding something that piqued my curiostiy enought to dig it up and take it home for 'further research'. And you did it legally. Oh, the humanity!

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 09:53 AM

I don't think a correct ID was found.

I have an idea, since you guys are so set on your "right" to catch and bring home experiments. Why don't you guys all get together, give each other massages, fry those things up, and eat them. Maybe then the ignorant comments can stop and we don't have to hear about them anymore.

freddy4130 · 04/02/2009, 10:37 AM

LOL at using an ignorant comment to warn off ignorant comments.

Arati · 04/02/2009, 10:49 AM

How do you guys think this hobby started? Do you think in 1975 or even 1985 we were flying in fish from around the world. Keeping them for years ?

The reality is there were only a few fish available and most died within a few months. We had to collect water and fish for the most part. The truth is, this hobby would not even exist if not for people like the OP going down to the beach and taking a few things home in a bucket.

Im sorry I cant help you ID you fish.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 10:59 AM

Not ignorant, just a suggestion.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 11:11 AM

I know how the hobby started. So basically what you are saying is that we should revert to our old archaic ways and collect animals we can't identify and experiment at home with them. Sounds like you travelled back in time or something. It's 2009 people, I'd like to think our hobby( or at least the hobbyist on RC) has advanced enough to research the animals they keep and not harvest a whole family of eels just because they were there and easy to collect.

elegance coral · 04/02/2009, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Littleg182
That looks more like it, nice find erichatesmice. Good old Ophichthus triserialis. http://www.mexfish.com/fish/pseel/pseel.htm Definitely it!

I agree. That's it.

So.... This is one of the gazillion species in Florida that is not native. The OP probably did the local environment a favor by collecting these eels.

jbird69 · 04/02/2009, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arati
How do you guys think this hobby started? Do you think in 1975 or even 1985 we were flying in fish from around the world. Keeping them for years ?

The reality is there were only a few fish available and most died within a few months. We had to collect water and fish for the most part. The truth is, this hobby would not even exist if not for people like the OP going down to the beach and taking a few things home in a bucket.

Im sorry I cant help you ID you fish.

Are you really aware of what kind of unbridled ocean harvesting was being done in the 70s and 80s? We have come a LONG way since then. If we kept on with those practices, our oceans would be a waste land by now. There was no such thing as "captive bread" in that era.

Listen, I didnt have any intention of causing a rift here. Its Just the way I see it. Am I really such a bad guy for being concerned about the well being of those creatures? Really, I dont want to argue anymore...
How are they doing? Got a new picture?

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 01:14 PM

Definitely not Ophicthus triserialis, it totally does not match the description from the link, if you look closely you'll see for yourself. They were obviously juveniles so markings are probably a crap shoot. Why don't you try the scientific method of identification and look for physical clues other than markings like number of rays in the fins, eye size/placement,etc.. Why don't you bring one into your professor or someone who knows how to correctly ID fish. Keep trying..... if this venture was about IDing you probably only would have needed one, or some good photos instead.

BS · 04/02/2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by jbird69
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How are they doing? Got a new picture?

Yummy..

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 01:46 PM

Well, the eels are fried! I'm assuming you guys got together, massaged each other, and had a feast...good! Is it over now?

kenqc · 04/02/2009, 01:47 PM

Myrichthys pardalis
Leopard eel

Has the spots of the leopard eel if you ask me. And to add my 2 cents, if given the opportunity I too would have collected an eel or two for my home tank, used this forum and other research resources to find the proper id, surfed the web, tried to offer an appropriate simulaed habitat, then traded them in at the LFS for Angels, Tangs or Butterflies. Maybe the start of a very profitable enterprise so much so that i could tell my boss to take this job and ... well you know the rest.

luther1200 · 04/02/2009, 01:52 PM

Do you people hyave any idea how fish are collected for this hobby???

They don't go and hand pick the pretty fish. They spray knock out gas at a whole school of them put them in nets, and after the fish wake up(because you would mess up there swim bladder if you took them to the surface knocked out) They through them in live wells until they off load them. So where people got the idea that they are out there just hand picking certain fish is crazy. And I actually know a guy who used to do this and believe me he had no idea what he was collecting. He wasn't a hobbyist, it was his job, not an interest of his.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kenqc
Myrichthys pardalis
Leopard eel

Has the spots of the leopard eel if you ask me. And to add my 2 cents, if given the opportunity I too would have collected an eel or two for my home tank, used this forum and other research resources to find the proper id, surfed the web, tried to offer an appropriate simulaed habitat, then traded them in at the LFS for Angels, Tangs or Butterflies. Maybe the start of a very profitable enterprise so much so that i could tell my boss to take this job and ... well you know the rest.

Sorry, it's not M. pardalis either, looks like your early retirement will have to wait.

luther1200 · 04/02/2009, 02:16 PM

Its definetly a Pacific Snake Eel. Look at the sharp finless tail in the pics on page 3 of the thread. Just like described.

rendogg · 04/02/2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by luther1200
Its definetly a Pacific Snake Eel. Look at the sharp finless tail in the pics on page 3 of the thread. Just like described.

Nope, definitely not. Look at the eye size and placement. Not it, just as described.

04/01/2009, 10:24 PM	#78
Littleg182 Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: FL Posts: 126	Is there a way to lock this thread so no more ridiculous comments can be made? Thanks again erich __________________ 90 Reef 3x20 Gallon holding/breeding/frag system 2.5 Gallon Other Various tanks Koi Pond and Aquarium Set-up and Maintenance

04/02/2009, 08:02 AM	#82
plyle02 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lake Helen, FL Posts: 5,526	Why do people here give a fat baby's as* if the OP found something cool, put it in a bucket, took it home, and tried to re-create an environment as close as the one he discovered them in... I am pretty sure that is how this hobby started to begin with, so as long as he operates within FL's collecting laws, has a license, and btw studies this very field, I really don't think he deserves the bashing. So I guess all those cool shells you tourists take home to display on the mantle of your fireplace, from your family trip to FL, were not collected right? BTW, they were probably not empty shells.....as a FYI... You ever heard of conch, or conch fritters, conch soup? It does not come from a plastic package at the supermarket, it comes from the ocean... __________________ Perry "Anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die" ~Buddha~ Current Tank Info: 50 Gallon AIO Cube, Aquamaxx WS-1 Skimmer, LED/ Hybrid 4x24 watt t5

04/02/2009, 10:49 AM	#88
Arati Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LI,NY Posts: 722	How do you guys think this hobby started? Do you think in 1975 or even 1985 we were flying in fish from around the world. Keeping them for years ? The reality is there were only a few fish available and most died within a few months. We had to collect water and fish for the most part. The truth is, this hobby would not even exist if not for people like the OP going down to the beach and taking a few things home in a bucket. Im sorry I cant help you ID you fish. __________________ I wasn't planning on keeping the turtle until it could pull me around under water. ~RV7AFlyer Current Tank Info: 150 ish gallons of Reef

04/02/2009, 01:14 PM	#93
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	Definitely not Ophicthus triserialis, it totally does not match the description from the link, if you look closely you'll see for yourself. They were obviously juveniles so markings are probably a crap shoot. Why don't you try the scientific method of identification and look for physical clues other than markings like number of rays in the fins, eye size/placement,etc.. Why don't you bring one into your professor or someone who knows how to correctly ID fish. Keep trying..... if this venture was about IDing you probably only would have needed one, or some good photos instead. Last edited by rendogg; 04/02/2009 at 01:24 PM.

04/02/2009, 01:47 PM	#96
kenqc Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: webster, NY Posts: 161	Myrichthys pardalis Leopard eel Has the spots of the leopard eel if you ask me. And to add my 2 cents, if given the opportunity I too would have collected an eel or two for my home tank, used this forum and other research resources to find the proper id, surfed the web, tried to offer an appropriate simulaed habitat, then traded them in at the LFS for Angels, Tangs or Butterflies. Maybe the start of a very profitable enterprise so much so that i could tell my boss to take this job and ... well you know the rest. __________________ Ken aka King Hyperbole Current Tank Info: 60 gal beginning reef and 50 gal fowlrs

04/01/2009, 09:32 PM	#76
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	Ridiculous and lame.

04/01/2009, 10:34 PM	#79
tcmfish Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,658	Hey just so you know that fish does not occur in Florida. It lives in the Eastern Pacific.

04/02/2009, 05:50 AM	#80
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	LOL. He made up the whole story just to get flamed by the momma's basement brigade. He really didn't collect them in Florida since "that fish doesn't occurr in Florida." what actually happened is he flew halfway across the world, collected them and created this thread to **** you off. LOL at the shortbus crew.

04/02/2009, 08:20 AM	#83
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	FL laws? Obviously this is a Mexican eel. The OP obviously collected it in Mexico and not Florida. Hello?

04/02/2009, 09:38 AM	#84
goldmaniac Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,567	Those Mexican Eels work much harder than American Eels. good find. the OP only asked for an ID, not for opinions from sheltered, softie, cushioned, living-in-a-bubble mommas-boys / daddys-girls. he's doing a good job providing an environment for these animals, more than you can say about your shrimp cocktails or crab cakes or fish-fillet sandwiches or your sushi lunches. the real world consists of animals that we eat. Sure, we should be responsible as well, and IMO the original poster is doing that. anyone giving the OP any trouble should return any animals in their reef tanks that were not propogated, aka Wild. that includes clean-up crew, fish, and any inverts. Otherwise, you're a hypocrite. my $.02 I hope the mods close this thread soon, now that an ID has been found.

04/02/2009, 09:41 AM	#85
noahm Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,736	This is the funniest and saddest/most pathetic thread I've read in a long time. Nice eels. Imagine, a marine biologist can't I'd something right off the bat. As a plant taxonomist, I can't imagine EVER finding something that piqued my curiostiy enought to dig it up and take it home for 'further research'. And you did it legally. Oh, the humanity!

04/02/2009, 09:53 AM	#86
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	I don't think a correct ID was found. I have an idea, since you guys are so set on your "right" to catch and bring home experiments. Why don't you guys all get together, give each other massages, fry those things up, and eat them. Maybe then the ignorant comments can stop and we don't have to hear about them anymore.

04/02/2009, 10:37 AM	#87
freddy4130 Moved On Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 360	LOL at using an ignorant comment to warn off ignorant comments.

04/02/2009, 10:59 AM	#89
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	Not ignorant, just a suggestion.

04/02/2009, 11:11 AM	#90
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	I know how the hobby started. So basically what you are saying is that we should revert to our old archaic ways and collect animals we can't identify and experiment at home with them. Sounds like you travelled back in time or something. It's 2009 people, I'd like to think our hobby( or at least the hobbyist on RC) has advanced enough to research the animals they keep and not harvest a whole family of eels just because they were there and easy to collect.

04/02/2009, 01:46 PM	#95
rendogg Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Abbotsford, B.C. Posts: 578	Well, the eels are fried! I'm assuming you guys got together, massaged each other, and had a feast...good! Is it over now?

04/02/2009, 01:52 PM	#97
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	Do you people hyave any idea how fish are collected for this hobby??? They don't go and hand pick the pretty fish. They spray knock out gas at a whole school of them put them in nets, and after the fish wake up(because you would mess up there swim bladder if you took them to the surface knocked out) They through them in live wells until they off load them. So where people got the idea that they are out there just hand picking certain fish is crazy. And I actually know a guy who used to do this and believe me he had no idea what he was collecting. He wasn't a hobbyist, it was his job, not an interest of his. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

04/02/2009, 02:16 PM	#99
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,376	Its definetly a Pacific Snake Eel. Look at the sharp finless tail in the pics on page 3 of the thread. Just like described. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.