Maxspect ‘Riptide’ Prototype Gyre Generator Pump

[chris@CoralVue]

Originally Posted by greaps

Hopefully Jaebo is keeping an eye on this development : )

Why?

[EvMiBo]

Chris and/or Jeremy.

Any idea what the warranty on these will be? I'm really hoping for a 3 year warranty like the water/bubbleblaster.

[greaps]

Originally Posted by chris@CoralVue

Why?

Price, all though maybe this new product will be priced competitively straight away. If I had mentioned another competitor in the powerhead industry like Tunze would that have made more sense? Competition in this industry drives new product designs along with lower prices.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by greaps

Hopefully Jaebo is keeping an eye on this development : )

Why? So they can knock it off using inferior materials, offer no warranty or UL listing?

[EvMiBo]

Originally Posted by Wrench

Why? So they can knock it off using inferior materials, offer no warranty or UL listing?

At a fraction of the price. Yes.

[Klaus Jansen]

Originally Posted by greaps

Hopefully Jaebo is keeping an eye on this development : )

Hopefully, Jebao makes sometimes own inventions !!

The Riptide Generator is a cool idea and product..... congratulation to this invention..

best regards .. .Klaus

[greaps]

Originally Posted by Wrench

Why? So they can knock it off using inferior materials, offer no warranty or UL listing?

Were talking about an aquarium powerhead not childrens car seats. You must drive a BMW and look down on my used Kia with no warranty and inferior materials. Poor me.

I get the drift as to where you would like this discussion to go, but all I'm talking about is competition. Why shouldn't other companies be interested in this development.

[Ben_1313]

Originally Posted by greaps

Were talking about an aquarium powerhead not childrens car seats. You must drive a BMW and look down on my used Kia with no warranty and inferior materials. Poor me.

I get the drift as to where you would like this discussion to go, but all I'm talking about is competition. Why shouldn't other companies be interested in this development.

You're confusing competition with ripping off a design.

There's a difference between competition and undercutting a company that spent the R&D time and money to produce a unique product. If you were a company and spent a ton of money to make a product just so another manufacturer could make money off your designs you would probably be pretty reluctant to create new products in the future.

[greaps]

Originally Posted by Ben_1313

You're confusing competition with ripping off a design.

There's a difference between competition and undercutting a company that spent the R&D time and money to produce a unique product. If you were a company and spent a ton of money to make a product just so another manufacturer could make money off your designs you would probably be pretty reluctant to create new products in the future.

Not confusing, if your point holds true, whoever invested the first wave maker or aquarium controller, or wave maker controller is in clear violation. My hope is more product developments you can't always assume its todays leader will always pave the way forward. We need competition. Look at the industry now and ten years ago.

I retreat before sounding like a troll. Im also excited about this new pump.

[Ztrain]

Originally Posted by chris@CoralVue

Why?

Haha busted!!!!

On a serious not though I can't wait for release details to come out. Really hoping they show or ship something at MACNA. Personally for my needs, I need one to fit a 20-29g that has or can be hooked up to some type of controller to make it go back and forth. Also be some what reasonably priced. Trying to decide 150 or 300 on LEDs. Now to throw that much on a pump...... I really hope they can do it for a reasonable price. 200ish with controller like the Vortek pricing would be reasonable.

[vpaul79]

Everyone copies each other, you think the octopus prime and elite is an original design by coralvue? It's been copied from royal exclusive for the sole purpose to cut material and labor cost. What comes around goes around

[GroktheCube]

Really looking forward to the release of this.

Hopefully for their sake Maxpect patented the use of this sort of rotor pump in this context to prevent ripoffs.

This is exactly the sort of thing I've been wanting for a while, $300 for this sort of flow is very reasonable. Far less than it would cost to generate comparable water movement with prop pumps.

[asylumdown]

Originally Posted by greaps

Hopefully Jaebo is keeping an eye on this development : )

While I understand your desire to be thrifty, rooting for a knock-off company to swoop in and steal years worth of R&D and product development before a product has even been launched is the kind of attitude that makes companies like Maxspect think twice about investing in new technologies that advance the hobby.

$300 for what this product can do (at least according to the videos and the specs) is a mind blowing low price. You'd need two $420 MP40s to do the same thing. Considering how far it pushes water (based on all the videos so far posted), this thing is more accurately placed in the MP60 class, so I think they could have priced it at $500 and still been competitive.

I'm all for competition, and when a company is charging an outrageous premium for a product that hasn't been cutting edge for a decade, I don't get too worked up when someone else finds a way to deliver the same thing for a much lower price. But this is the first new way of moving water the hobby has seen since before I got in to salt water tanks. If Jaebo knocks this thing off in a few months before Maxspect has had the opportunity to recoup their investment, we all lose.

Not only is your attitude depressingly cynical, it's entirely self defeating in the long run.

[EvMiBo]

I wonder if that's at least partially why they've made it $300 (assuming it's as good as it looks to be). You can buy one for a fair price from coralvue that will be backed with a 3 year warranty (I hope) and good customer service (I know), which in the long run could be a better investment. They know that Jebao is there and will copy if and when they get the chance, which drops demand for their (coralvue's) product and they lower the price because of it. Whether it's ethical or not it's happening and is both competition and undercutting. In the end we may get a neat, revolutionary pump for cheaper.

[_divad]

I am glad it ended up being black. I am really excited to order one of these.

[mixedreefjunky]

Very nice but priced to high. How do these companies think new people are going to take the huge investment to start a new tank with all the crazy prices of equipment lately. I understand that it takes research and development and they need to make money to pay for that or make new products. But if equipment was priced more moderately then more people including people I know would be more inclined to give this hobby a fair shot. The hobby and thus the industry would eventually grow creating a bigger market for these companies and the hobby would truly advance much faster. As much as I like and appreciate this new product I will not support the company since they made this decision on price. Which sucks because I do really want it.

[brad65ford]

Originally Posted by mixedreefjunky

Very nice but priced to high. How do these companies think new people are going to take the huge investment to start a new tank with all the crazy prices of equipment lately. I understand that it takes research and development and they need to make money to pay for that or make new products. But if equipment was priced more moderately then more people including people I know would be more inclined to give this hobby a fair shot. The hobby and thus the industry would eventually grow creating a bigger market for these companies and the hobby would truly advance much faster. As much as I like and appreciate this new product I will not support the company since they made this decision on price. Which sucks because I do really want it.

lol I needed a laugh for the end of the week. ty

[d2mini]

Originally Posted by mixedreefjunky

Very nice but priced to high. How do these companies think new people are going to take the huge investment to start a new tank with all the crazy prices of equipment lately. I understand that it takes research and development and they need to make money to pay for that or make new products. But if equipment was priced more moderately then more people including people I know would be more inclined to give this hobby a fair shot. The hobby and thus the industry would eventually grow creating a bigger market for these companies and the hobby would truly advance much faster. As much as I like and appreciate this new product I will not support the company since they made this decision on price. Which sucks because I do really want it.

You must have missed this...

Originally Posted by asylumdown

$300 for what this product can do (at least according to the videos and the specs) is a mind blowing low price. You'd need two $420 MP40s to do the same thing.

Now I'm not saying that the riptide completely replaces the functionality of a Vortech... they are two different products. I could see myself running both.
But as far as price goes, that is a very good point.

[Ztrain]

Originally Posted by d2mini

But as far as price goes, that is a very good point.

$300 for a 4200 gph flow is a good price. I just hope they make a smaller one.

[GroktheCube]

Originally Posted by Ztrain

$300 for a 4200 gph flow is a good price. I just hope they make a smaller one.

It's not just about the GPH either, it's about the way it generates flow. Moving wall of water at relatively moderate velocity compared to a 4200gph powerhead.

The challenge with powerheads is that once they're pushing that kind of water, even extremely flow tolerant corals often can't be placed directly in their stream within a foot or more of the PH output.

The Riptide appears to remedy that problem.

It creates flow over a very large area, effective moving more of the tank's water with fewer dead-spots than a single PH, which is why many people are equating it to multiple MP-40s or MP-60s.

[Ztrain]

Originally Posted by GroktheCube

It's not just about the GPH either, it's about the way it generates flow. Moving wall of water at relatively moderate velocity compared to a 4200gph powerhead.

The challenge with powerheads is that once they're pushing that kind of water, even extremely flow tolerant corals often can't be placed directly in their stream within a foot or more of the PH output.

The Riptide appears to remedy that problem.

It creates flow over a very large area, effective moving more of the tank's water with fewer dead-spots than a single PH, which is why many people are equating it to multiple MP-40s or MP-60s.

Ohh I know and agree 100%. But I still think that's over kill for a 20g nano. So I'm hoping they have a smaller version in the works as well.

[Arrgh]

Very innovative.

I wish them great success like Borat.

[EvMiBo]

Originally Posted by Ztrain

Ohh I know and agree 100%. But I still think that's over kill for a 20g nano. So I'm hoping they have a smaller version in the works as well.

There will be smaller ones:

[Reefvet]

Originally Posted by brad65ford

lol I needed a laugh for the end of the week. ty

+1 and some of the comments here gave me a good one.

There will invariably be cheaper knock offs. They'll break, make more noise, won't create the same flow but they'll sell.

I think the price point is quite good considering what it'll accomplish. Compare it to any other quality wave system and you'll find it hard to compete at that price.

[reefwiser]

August 28th is when Macna starts and we will start see more info then.
I know I want a small one for my 25 gallon but they have already said that they will not be available till Christmas.