Tunze Streams, are they really worth the money? - Page 4

oct2274 · 03/09/2006, 09:25 AM

exactly......tunze is a smart company and is making as much profit as they can, while they can.......

ReeferAl · 03/09/2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by RichConley
Its a surge device. It is a bucket basically, and runs the pump on a cycle, so it is emptying the bucket, letting it fill, and then emptying it again.

Its the same as a CSD, except it empties with a pump, rather than a siphon, and is in tank, instead of above.

That's not entirely correct. It does work by pumping water out of a reservoir and then letting it flow back in, like a RCSD. The difference , and it is a big one, is the ability to change the timeing such that it matches the resonance frequency of the tank so that there is a continuous oscillating of water back and forth in the tank. It really does reproduce the back and forth motion you see from wave action when diving. A RCSD gives more of a surge than reproducing wave action.

Allen

ErikS · 03/09/2006, 09:39 AM

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Please.... I have driven and seen the Wolfsburg VWs as well. Same if not worse problems affect these. Ya think I would have learned the first time

Ah, but then we have to factor in car brand karma. Seem like we all have brands that are bad & good....and they all differ. Can't think of a brand where some folks have nothing but problems & yet others have nothing but good experiences.....gotta be some sort of weird karma. Me I've never had a GM or Honda got more than 3' w/o a problem - never had a single problem with a Ford or Toyota - go figure.

I digress, I read the article when it came out - my only point is that really we have no idea who was doing what in some back room....and...is it even relevant?

FWIW - I am NO fan of either manufacturer controlled pricing nor what the market can bear pricing.....but....only competition will change that.

jman77 · 03/09/2006, 09:59 AM

"As demonstrated in this thread - we just don't care, just make it CHEAP! (kinda like why Wallyworld dominates - we vote with out wallets)"

Hell yea..... cheap....!!!!

ErikS · 03/09/2006, 10:39 AM

Another digression -

IMHO this thread is an example of RC @ it's best - a heated discussion & yet everyone can still laugh.........after all it's just pumps

jman77 · 03/09/2006, 10:56 AM

brad23 · 03/14/2006, 10:33 AM

Your VW was made in mexico not Germany.

dhnguyen · 03/14/2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally posted by brad23
Your VW was made in mexico not Germany.

I have driven the Wolfsburg models which are made in Germany. They are no better IMO.

D.

JER-Z · 03/14/2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by dhnguyen
I have driven the Wolfsburg models which are made in Germany. They are no better IMO.

D.

you are confusing the Wolfsburg EDITION jetta...It was also built in mexico...

The jetta wagons are the only MKIV jettas built in Germany that are available in the U.S.

dhnguyen · 03/14/2006, 03:03 PM

Ok maybe so.. But the point I'm trying to make is that just because something is made in Germany does not automatically make it a "superior" product that A. No one can make just as good or better or B. Can't be copied.

Copying isn't nice but that's how it is. It's all Business.

And believe me I used to work for a German company. We had plenty of engineering defects and design problems.

That "Deutschland Uber Alles" attitude is a farce really.

RichConley · 03/14/2006, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ReeferAl
That's not entirely correct. It does work by pumping water out of a reservoir and then letting it flow back in, like a RCSD. The difference , and it is a big one, is the ability to change the timeing such that it matches the resonance frequency of the tank so that there is a continuous oscillating of water back and forth in the tank. It really does reproduce the back and forth motion you see from wave action when diving. A RCSD gives more of a surge than reproducing wave action.

Allen

All, a CSD can be adjusted to change timing, its just most people are too lazy to do it. Its all changing the standpipe height, and diameter. Just a little bit of math. If you figure in the resonant frequency, you will get EXACTLY the same wave motion.

Alaskan Reefer · 03/14/2006, 04:04 PM

I have two plain old 6060s in my 125 and wouldn't trade them. Okay maybe I'd trade them for some with the multicontroller, but for now they'll do.

Forget cheap, I want quality and reliability, regardless of cost.

And unfortunately, I own a fully loaded 2001 "New" Passat Wagon. LOL. The car is lucky that it's so fun to drive, or it would be dead and buried by now. Repair bills are horrendous.

Can someone recommend a reliable European car please? I don't care what it costs.

dhnguyen · 03/14/2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Alaskan Reefer
...Can someone recommend a reliable European car please? I don't care what it costs.

Reliable...

That puts Audi and Mercedes out of the list. Possibly BMW might be ok.

My sister and brother in law have had all 3. The brand new Audi and Mercedes they had started having problems after a few months. The BMW being the least problematic. The regular maintenance bill is still gonna kill your wallet though.

Not sure about Saab.

D.

Alaskan Reefer · 03/14/2006, 04:21 PM

D -- yeah definitely no on Mercedes (the least reliable car ever?), and Audi is a big no too. Looking back, even though it was a tiny little thing, I should have gone with the 325ix Wagon. Next one will be a Bimmer, can't get the European driving experience out of my blood now.

RichConley · 03/14/2006, 04:24 PM

Girlfriend has a Saab, I think shes had 20K worth of repairs done in the last year(all on warranty). Every week its back in the shop.

Fwiw, my mazda is much more fun to drive than the 325i I had, and her saab.

JER-Z · 03/14/2006, 07:57 PM

well I am a former VW enthusiast that finally got fed up w/ the annoying problems and traded it in...2 days after i traded it the turbo took a crap. I really dodged the bullet on that one...

I decided to give Saab a try and got a 2006 93 2.0t. So far so good, but i only have 7,000 miles on it. The customer support and free maintenance for the life of the warrantee can't be beat. And it actually came to the U.S. on a boat, whatever that's worth.

I am with you Alaskan Reefer, I am hooked on euro cars...I like the Bimmers, but they are WAY too common in my town. I love the look and feel of the SAAB, I just hope i don't get problems like Rich's Girlfriend

ZURCSREEF · 03/14/2006, 08:39 PM

Oh, I didn't realize I was in a CAR forum, sorry, lol...

5thtonbench · 03/14/2006, 08:51 PM

Im sure some cant say the same and I dont know about BMW's, VW's or Maxijetts, but my porsche is rock solid bulletproof...

...and so are my streams

The only thing I can say is I would have liked them to be smaller but I am sure with that would come some sacrifice.

Serioussnaps · 03/15/2006, 12:56 AM

is this for reefkeeping or an international economy forumn

Alaskan Reefer · 03/15/2006, 01:39 PM

Well it kind of got off on a tangent, which was my fault.

Back to the topic at hand, I like my Tunze 6060s, and I'm satisfied with the value.

dandydan · 03/15/2006, 06:30 PM

Just received my 6000 and 7095 control for future upgrade,
couldnt believe how good it is in my 75 Ukgal
I was happy to dump my 3 MJ1200 which were running on a wavemaker and were very noisy, and had the fish scattering when they switched in.

2ras · 03/15/2006, 06:37 PM

I like my 2-6000s with 7095 controller. Best money I ever spent (on the tank).
It just boils down to what your budget will allow you to spend.

Ray

Reefologist · 03/15/2006, 07:28 PM

Germany is a country. Business is business. Not really bound without exceptions. Quality comes down to each manufacturer not where they are geographically. I too own a VW made in mexico,although made in mexico don't blame the mexicans because rest assured the germans are driving the boat. In contrast mexico makes the worlds best tequilla. Business are as different as the people who run them, it all comes down to quality or quantity.

Reefologist · 03/15/2006, 07:32 PM

By the way my VW too is a P.O.S. But we are talking water pumps not cars, right?

ZURCSREEF · 03/15/2006, 07:45 PM

Oh yeah, thats what this thread was about, Tunze Pumps and Streams... NOT CARS!?!

03/09/2006, 10:39 AM	#80
ErikS Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: VA Posts: 2,199	Another digression - IMHO this thread is an example of RC @ it's best - a heated discussion & yet everyone can still laugh.........after all it's just pumps __________________ It's just my opinion & it's worth exactly what you paid for it

03/14/2006, 10:33 AM	#82
brad23 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bloomington IL Posts: 2,959	Your VW was made in mexico not Germany. __________________ Ye old English Current Tank Info: 75g reef

03/14/2006, 04:04 PM	#87
Alaskan Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 2,360	I have two plain old 6060s in my 125 and wouldn't trade them. Okay maybe I'd trade them for some with the multicontroller, but for now they'll do. Forget cheap, I want quality and reliability, regardless of cost. And unfortunately, I own a fully loaded 2001 "New" Passat Wagon. LOL. The car is lucky that it's so fun to drive, or it would be dead and buried by now. Repair bills are horrendous. Can someone recommend a reliable European car please? I don't care what it costs. __________________ Unattended children will be given double shot espresso and a free puppy. Current Tank Info: 125g FOWLR -- Conversion Back To SPS In Progress

03/14/2006, 04:21 PM	#89
Alaskan Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 2,360	D -- yeah definitely no on Mercedes (the least reliable car ever?), and Audi is a big no too. Looking back, even though it was a tiny little thing, I should have gone with the 325ix Wagon. Next one will be a Bimmer, can't get the European driving experience out of my blood now. __________________ Unattended children will be given double shot espresso and a free puppy. Current Tank Info: 125g FOWLR -- Conversion Back To SPS In Progress

03/14/2006, 04:24 PM	#90
RichConley Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bostonian in Chicago going to DC Posts: 9,908	Girlfriend has a Saab, I think shes had 20K worth of repairs done in the last year(all on warranty). Every week its back in the shop. Fwiw, my mazda is much more fun to drive than the 325i I had, and her saab. __________________ NO TANKS!!!

03/09/2006, 09:25 AM	#76
oct2274 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,347	exactly......tunze is a smart company and is making as much profit as they can, while they can.......

03/09/2006, 09:59 AM	#79
jman77 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,391	"As demonstrated in this thread - we just don't care, just make it CHEAP! (kinda like why Wallyworld dominates - we vote with out wallets)" Hell yea..... cheap....!!!!

03/09/2006, 10:56 AM	#81
jman77 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Palm Beach, Florida Posts: 2,391

03/14/2006, 03:03 PM	#85
dhnguyen Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kingston, WA Posts: 4,751	Ok maybe so.. But the point I'm trying to make is that just because something is made in Germany does not automatically make it a "superior" product that A. No one can make just as good or better or B. Can't be copied. Copying isn't nice but that's how it is. It's all Business. And believe me I used to work for a German company. We had plenty of engineering defects and design problems. That "Deutschland Uber Alles" attitude is a farce really.

03/14/2006, 07:57 PM	#91
JER-Z Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 877	well I am a former VW enthusiast that finally got fed up w/ the annoying problems and traded it in...2 days after i traded it the turbo took a crap. I really dodged the bullet on that one... I decided to give Saab a try and got a 2006 93 2.0t. So far so good, but i only have 7,000 miles on it. The customer support and free maintenance for the life of the warrantee can't be beat. And it actually came to the U.S. on a boat, whatever that's worth. I am with you Alaskan Reefer, I am hooked on euro cars...I like the Bimmers, but they are WAY too common in my town. I love the look and feel of the SAAB, I just hope i don't get problems like Rich's Girlfriend

03/14/2006, 08:39 PM	#92
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	Oh, I didn't realize I was in a CAR forum, sorry, lol...

03/14/2006, 08:51 PM	#93
5thtonbench Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Washington DC Posts: 194	Im sure some cant say the same and I dont know about BMW's, VW's or Maxijetts, but my porsche is rock solid bulletproof... ...and so are my streams The only thing I can say is I would have liked them to be smaller but I am sure with that would come some sacrifice.

03/15/2006, 12:56 AM	#94
Serioussnaps Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,703	is this for reefkeeping or an international economy forumn

03/15/2006, 01:39 PM	#95
Alaskan Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Eagle River, Alaska Posts: 2,360	Well it kind of got off on a tangent, which was my fault. Back to the topic at hand, I like my Tunze 6060s, and I'm satisfied with the value. __________________ Unattended children will be given double shot espresso and a free puppy. Current Tank Info: 125g FOWLR -- Conversion Back To SPS In Progress

03/15/2006, 06:30 PM	#96
dandydan Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UK Posts: 284	Just received my 6000 and 7095 control for future upgrade, couldnt believe how good it is in my 75 Ukgal I was happy to dump my 3 MJ1200 which were running on a wavemaker and were very noisy, and had the fish scattering when they switched in. __________________ Dan the Man Current Tank Info: 560Ltrs actual, DIY LED lighting, Deltec TC2060 due to NPS

03/15/2006, 06:37 PM	#97
2ras Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 417	I like my 2-6000s with 7095 controller. Best money I ever spent (on the tank). It just boils down to what your budget will allow you to spend. Ray

03/15/2006, 07:28 PM	#98
Reefologist Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 374	Germany is a country. Business is business. Not really bound without exceptions. Quality comes down to each manufacturer not where they are geographically. I too own a VW made in mexico,although made in mexico don't blame the mexicans because rest assured the germans are driving the boat. In contrast mexico makes the worlds best tequilla. Business are as different as the people who run them, it all comes down to quality or quantity. __________________ "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react. Current Tank Info: 120 AGA Mega Flow w/ Oceanic model 3 sump

03/15/2006, 07:32 PM	#99
Reefologist Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 374	By the way my VW too is a P.O.S. But we are talking water pumps not cars, right? __________________ "Life is 5% what happens to you, and 95% how you react. Current Tank Info: 120 AGA Mega Flow w/ Oceanic model 3 sump

03/15/2006, 07:45 PM	#100
ZURCSREEF Moved On Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Posts: 2,347	Oh yeah, thats what this thread was about, Tunze Pumps and Streams... NOT CARS!?!