GHL Mitras Club - Page 45

_Aaron_ · 10/29/2013, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcmartinpc

I can confirm that it "works" but the color temps are not going to match what they would be on the 6200. Some of the channels are moved around, so the intensities don't match. I wouldn't do it personally.

Don

Thanks for clarifying.

darkpisces · 10/29/2013, 02:24 PM

hi Aaron, are you using 100% High Output now? or High Efficiency only? I was running 100% High Efficiency but switch to 70% High Output for few days only. any suggestion? thanks.

_Aaron_ · 10/29/2013, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkpisces

hi Aaron, are you using 100% High Output now? or High Efficiency only? I was running 100% High Efficiency but switch to 70% High Output for few days only. any suggestion? thanks.

Yeah, been running high output for a few months now at 100%. What I do is after upping the power add in some cloud cover and gently reduce the darkening over a week or so. You could do that.

meshwheel · 10/29/2013, 05:31 PM

dag blastit! I almost ordered the reefbredders fixture then came upon this thread! WOW! Those SPS coral pics look like they have been basting under metal halides!!!
Hmmm, so what makes the GHL Mitras so much better the other LED's on the market?
Can someone tell me what I would need for a 65 gallon SPS tank? 36x18x24 deep.
I have a lot of pages to go through!
Thank you

AQD_ottawa · 10/29/2013, 06:14 PM

I can tell you what the GHL has thats different.

The GHL has specially developed metal coated reflectors, it does not use optics, these alone took two years to develop alone in a leading German lighting lab. The reflectors allow for the LED's to converge in a manner that creates a true mix of the LED's colour instead of separating them. You will get no disco ball effect. GHL chose LED's that give you the right colours to match that of MH for example.

Then there is linear dimming technology only seen in Mitras. An LED units output is typically digital, but digital signals are not smooth, so when you go to dim a digital driven LED you will physically see step by step dim points, watch the light at low level and you will see it step down to the next level. The Mitras employs a digital to analogue signal converter (patented) that smooths out this signal so you get perfectly smooth transitions, this allows for smooth effects such as rolling cloud cover.

For your tank you would need just one fixture.

reefmutt · 10/29/2013, 06:23 PM

I run clouds and they are extremely smooth.. No stuttering in the light gradations whatsoever..

meshwheel · 10/29/2013, 09:25 PM

AQD Ottawa,
Very interesting. I can understand how a lens has to gather up all the light and focus it. This may have been the cause or one of the factors leading to the disco effect.
I did see many led's at the RAP show recently and did not see any disco effect at all.
I can understand how the metal coating may help. It seems to me the square layout of the pucks would also help with mixing.
How far apart is each puck from each other? How long is the unit?

Thank you

dattong · 10/29/2013, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

I run clouds and they are extremely smooth.. No stuttering in the light gradations whatsoever..

reefmutt, can you please interpret clouds setting a little? I don't understand what those settings do except the darkening setting. The manual doesn't say anything about cloud setting. I think Mitras has a poor User's manual. I could play around with the settings and see what they do, but it will save me time if you can pinpoint me.

ReefRockerLive · 10/29/2013, 09:47 PM

Here're some more photos to add to the Mitras photo album

Acros are growing nicely.

AQD_ottawa · 10/30/2013, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meshwheel

AQD Ottawa,
Very interesting. I can understand how a lens has to gather up all the light and focus it. This may have been the cause or one of the factors leading to the disco effect.
I did see many led's at the RAP show recently and did not see any disco effect at all.
I can understand how the metal coating may help. It seems to me the square layout of the pucks would also help with mixing.
How far apart is each puck from each other? How long is the unit?

Thank you

I will measure it later for you and get back on that one

however the more important fact is the coverage that has been independently tested by Dr Sanjay Joshi to 36x36

reefmutt · 10/30/2013, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dattong

reefmutt, can you please interpret clouds setting a little? I don't understand what those settings do except the darkening setting. The manual doesn't say anything about cloud setting. I think Mitras has a poor User's manual. I could play around with the settings and see what they do, but it will save me time if you can pinpoint me.

I have to agree with you that the manual is extremely unclear on many points... The cloud programming being one of them.
I had to 'play around' with the settings as well and quite honestly, I'm not 100% sure what I did or how changing the numbers actually affected the frequency of the clouds...
Because I am all Mac at home, doing programming requires me to borrow a buddy's laptop (

) so I haven't played with settings a lot..
I have a pretty much continuous ~20% raising and lowering of the light intensity throughout the day. It's sometimes subtle and sometimes noticeable. I like it because I think it allows you to increase general light intensity without as much worry of really blasting the corals as they get intermittent breaks in the brightness when the lights dim..

AQD_ottawa · 10/30/2013, 03:30 PM

We will be doing a product video shortly that will explain many things but in the meantime please look at this link it helps a lot (dodgy British accent warning

)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7txuIXMdB4

dattong · 10/30/2013, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

I have to agree with you that the manual is extremely unclear on many points... The cloud programming being one of them.
I had to 'play around' with the settings as well and quite honestly, I'm not 100% sure what I did or how changing the numbers actually affected the frequency of the clouds...
Because I am all Mac at home, doing programming requires me to borrow a buddy's laptop (

) so I haven't played with settings a lot..
I have a pretty much continuous ~20% raising and lowering of the light intensity throughout the day. It's sometimes subtle and sometimes noticeable. I like it because I think it allows you to increase general light intensity without as much worry of really blasting the corals as they get intermittent breaks in the brightness when the lights dim..

Exactly, I have no idea how those numbers affect clouding pattern. I did play with the settings a bit but I couldn't figure it out clouding behavior. Im wondering if the clouding will shorten the life of the led's with them ramping up and down all day long or not.

AQD_ottawa · 10/30/2013, 04:34 PM

i will do an over view for everyone shortly just been bogged down with our Canadian side expansion the past two weeks.

No it wont effect the LED life, there is nothing to burn out inside.

dattong · 10/30/2013, 05:35 PM

Cool, thanks Mike.

Montanero · 10/30/2013, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefmutt

I have to agree with you that the manual is extremely unclear on many points... The cloud programming being one of them.
I had to 'play around' with the settings as well and quite honestly, I'm not 100% sure what I did or how changing the numbers actually affected the frequency of the clouds...
..

Totally agree about the manual. I've had the pendant for about a week and like it so far but a well written manual would be very useful. The leaflet that ships with the unit is useless.

I'd also like to see a library for illumination configs, including acclimatization.

meshwheel · 10/30/2013, 06:55 PM

so what is the price of the higher power unit? Is that the 6100 model as well?

Thank you

reefmutt · 10/30/2013, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReefRockerLive

Here're some more photos to add to the Mitras photo album

Acros are growing nicely.

awesome dragons and hawkins! super nice!!

reefmutt · 10/31/2013, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meshwheel

so what is the price of the higher power unit? Is that the 6100 model as well?

Thank you

the model that is designed for reef tanks is the 6200hv. the old generation is the 6100hv
the new 6200hv has recently seen a price drop to 999.00…. i believe..

AQD_ottawa · 10/31/2013, 09:25 AM

Yes this is correct the price for now is $999 but this can only be held for a short while as the euro is rising, the normal mrsp is $1,199 but we are trying to hold the $999 for everyone at least until xmas.

I have already had a few people send me messages asking when it will drop further from $999 or could our dealers do a deal, this categorically is not going to happen, simply the maths are not and will not ever be there to make that happen. So I would jump at the $999 while its there becuase I am confident by the new year it will be back at the original price.

rahjelli · 10/31/2013, 01:55 PM

Would 2 Mitras cover a 84lx24wx30h tank being there is a 36x36 spread? I have 2 center braces so basically 3 28" squares

AQD_ottawa · 10/31/2013, 02:04 PM

36x2 is 72 so you are short by a minimum of 10" so it depends if you keep sps specifically at the out edges, if not then you may be ok

reefmutt · 10/31/2013, 02:12 PM

If you are mixed reef, you'll do ok.
If you're sps crazy, I think you'll need the better coverage of 3 units..

rahjelli · 10/31/2013, 02:16 PM

I don't have any coral right now, but I have 3 evergrow D120's (my 3rd different LED set in 2 years) in what's now a FOWLR 265g I'd like to change to a SPS dominant reef, but I want my next lights I buy to be my last... for a LONG LONG time.

reefmutt · 10/31/2013, 02:43 PM

Since the Mitras are reduced right now and given the fact that you have a 30 inch deep tank, with three openings over it and that you want to have an sps dominated system, I think it's a no brainer.... You need three..
Just sayin'

10/29/2013, 05:31 PM	#1104
meshwheel Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,430	dag blastit! I almost ordered the reefbredders fixture then came upon this thread! WOW! Those SPS coral pics look like they have been basting under metal halides!!! Hmmm, so what makes the GHL Mitras so much better the other LED's on the market? Can someone tell me what I would need for a 65 gallon SPS tank? 36x18x24 deep. I have a lot of pages to go through! Thank you __________________ ............And then the cops showed up

10/29/2013, 06:14 PM	#1105
AQD_ottawa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK/Canada Posts: 8,020 Blog Entries: 33	I can tell you what the GHL has thats different. The GHL has specially developed metal coated reflectors, it does not use optics, these alone took two years to develop alone in a leading German lighting lab. The reflectors allow for the LED's to converge in a manner that creates a true mix of the LED's colour instead of separating them. You will get no disco ball effect. GHL chose LED's that give you the right colours to match that of MH for example. Then there is linear dimming technology only seen in Mitras. An LED units output is typically digital, but digital signals are not smooth, so when you go to dim a digital driven LED you will physically see step by step dim points, watch the light at low level and you will see it step down to the next level. The Mitras employs a digital to analogue signal converter (patented) that smooths out this signal so you get perfectly smooth transitions, this allows for smooth effects such as rolling cloud cover. For your tank you would need just one fixture. __________________ Michael Hall Tank Build and product reviews coming soon. 60x30x24 Ecotech powered, OLD Profilux 3 but looking to upgrade when market settles, Seneye Monitored, Bubble Magus DC Skimmed. Current Tank Info: Floating about on the water enjoying semi retirement!!

10/29/2013, 06:23 PM	#1106
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	I run clouds and they are extremely smooth.. No stuttering in the light gradations whatsoever.. __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

10/29/2013, 09:25 PM	#1107
meshwheel Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,430	AQD Ottawa, Very interesting. I can understand how a lens has to gather up all the light and focus it. This may have been the cause or one of the factors leading to the disco effect. I did see many led's at the RAP show recently and did not see any disco effect at all. I can understand how the metal coating may help. It seems to me the square layout of the pucks would also help with mixing. How far apart is each puck from each other? How long is the unit? Thank you __________________ ............And then the cops showed up

10/29/2013, 09:47 PM	#1109
ReefRockerLive GHL Mitras LX7 Club Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT Posts: 2,454 Blog Entries: 1	Here're some more photos to add to the Mitras photo album Acros are growing nicely. __________________ -ReefRockerLive Current Tank Info: Rimless 67g \| GHL Profilux 3.1T eX \| 2x GHL Doser 2 dosers \| 2xGHL Mitras LX7 LED \| Abyzz a100 \| Bubble King DC 150 \| 2x Vortech MP40w QD \| Fauna Marin Zeomatic 2.2ltr \| Fauna Marin Zeolight System \| Fauna Marin Balling Light Method

10/29/2013, 02:24 PM	#1102
darkpisces Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 19	hi Aaron, are you using 100% High Output now? or High Efficiency only? I was running 100% High Efficiency but switch to 70% High Output for few days only. any suggestion? thanks.

10/30/2013, 03:30 PM	#1112
AQD_ottawa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK/Canada Posts: 8,020 Blog Entries: 33	We will be doing a product video shortly that will explain many things but in the meantime please look at this link it helps a lot (dodgy British accent warning ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7txuIXMdB4 __________________ Michael Hall Tank Build and product reviews coming soon. 60x30x24 Ecotech powered, OLD Profilux 3 but looking to upgrade when market settles, Seneye Monitored, Bubble Magus DC Skimmed. Current Tank Info: Floating about on the water enjoying semi retirement!!

10/30/2013, 04:34 PM	#1114
AQD_ottawa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK/Canada Posts: 8,020 Blog Entries: 33	i will do an over view for everyone shortly just been bogged down with our Canadian side expansion the past two weeks. No it wont effect the LED life, there is nothing to burn out inside. __________________ Michael Hall Tank Build and product reviews coming soon. 60x30x24 Ecotech powered, OLD Profilux 3 but looking to upgrade when market settles, Seneye Monitored, Bubble Magus DC Skimmed. Current Tank Info: Floating about on the water enjoying semi retirement!!

10/30/2013, 05:35 PM	#1115
dattong Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 690	Cool, thanks Mike.

10/30/2013, 06:55 PM	#1117
meshwheel Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,430	so what is the price of the higher power unit? Is that the 6100 model as well? Thank you __________________ ............And then the cops showed up

10/31/2013, 09:25 AM	#1120
AQD_ottawa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK/Canada Posts: 8,020 Blog Entries: 33	Yes this is correct the price for now is $999 but this can only be held for a short while as the euro is rising, the normal mrsp is $1,199 but we are trying to hold the $999 for everyone at least until xmas. I have already had a few people send me messages asking when it will drop further from $999 or could our dealers do a deal, this categorically is not going to happen, simply the maths are not and will not ever be there to make that happen. So I would jump at the $999 while its there becuase I am confident by the new year it will be back at the original price. __________________ Michael Hall Tank Build and product reviews coming soon. 60x30x24 Ecotech powered, OLD Profilux 3 but looking to upgrade when market settles, Seneye Monitored, Bubble Magus DC Skimmed. Current Tank Info: Floating about on the water enjoying semi retirement!!

10/31/2013, 01:55 PM	#1121
rahjelli Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7	Would 2 Mitras cover a 84lx24wx30h tank being there is a 36x36 spread? I have 2 center braces so basically 3 28" squares

10/31/2013, 02:04 PM	#1122
AQD_ottawa Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK/Canada Posts: 8,020 Blog Entries: 33	36x2 is 72 so you are short by a minimum of 10" so it depends if you keep sps specifically at the out edges, if not then you may be ok __________________ Michael Hall Tank Build and product reviews coming soon. 60x30x24 Ecotech powered, OLD Profilux 3 but looking to upgrade when market settles, Seneye Monitored, Bubble Magus DC Skimmed. Current Tank Info: Floating about on the water enjoying semi retirement!!

10/31/2013, 02:12 PM	#1123
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	If you are mixed reef, you'll do ok. If you're sps crazy, I think you'll need the better coverage of 3 units.. __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer

10/31/2013, 02:16 PM	#1124
rahjelli Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 7	I don't have any coral right now, but I have 3 evergrow D120's (my 3rd different LED set in 2 years) in what's now a FOWLR 265g I'd like to change to a SPS dominant reef, but I want my next lights I buy to be my last... for a LONG LONG time.

10/31/2013, 02:43 PM	#1125
reefmutt Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mtl. Canada Posts: 7,824	Since the Mitras are reduced right now and given the fact that you have a 30 inch deep tank, with three openings over it and that you want to have an sps dominated system, I think it's a no brainer.... You need three.. Just sayin' __________________ Matt. Current Tank Info: 53x32.5x26 190g dt 60g of sumps 3 tank-100 gal frag system 6xAI prime 8xt5. 4x maxspect gyre. Skimz Dual internal sicce pump skimmer Deltec PF601s ca rx+Kalk stirrer