anyone tried to using Jebo WP40?

[ashish]

Originally Posted by treetopflyn

Really, you think so? I found it to be less expensive when I bought mine.

Thanks for sharing...I think that's pretty impressive considering 1 propeller pump can create a wave like that in a 4' tank..Something not even a 1 $465 vortech or tunze (ever changing numbers) can do alone without multiple powerheads. Can you imagine if these things out perform or last longer than the higher end names on the market? I was looking at fish-street osciliator for propeller pump (there $30 version of seasweeps)... I did not like the speed or trust the picture, reviews, that they provided. But I would love to add WP-40 to a knock-off seasweep....

I don't think anything can be more powerful for my tank than the magnum (3200gph) that I foolishly bought. So I did not want to make another foolish mistake and buying a over-powered pump. Thanks for showing the pumps performance so-lo (I can live with the flow)

[ashish]

There is a reason why chinese products are cheaper than american or german. German products sell products and factor in prices such as warranties, employees pensions, new developments, marketing, etc. Besides, these people are the ones that created these products and invest a lot of time developing new products.

China just copies name brand products and has zero years invested in there products because they just steal ideas. They don't pay there employees like we (USA) does or they don't factor in warranty and marketing. While, I am against this I feel ecotech and tunze should eventually lower there pricing (But they won't). These new hobbyist don't even know if there going to be in the hobby for the long hall so why would they spend $1000s on pump. I think if chinese products start becoming sound (which they are), many will start purchasing from them even though we much rather purchase tunzes and vortech

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by ashish

There is a reason why chinese products are cheaper than american or german. German products sell products and factor in prices such as warranties, employees pensions, new developments, marketing, etc. Besides, these people are the ones that created these products and invest a lot of time developing new products.

China just copies name brand products and has zero years invested in there products because they just steal ideas. They don't pay there employees like we (USA) does or they don't factor in warranty and marketing. While, I am against this I feel ecotech and tunze should eventually lower there pricing (But they won't). These new hobbyist don't even know if there going to be in the hobby for the long hall so why would they spend $1000s on pump. I think if chinese products start becoming sound (which they are), many will start purchasing from them even though we much rather purchase tunzes and vortech

There hasn't been much innovation in power heads for years. Its about time someone challenged the two main players with something new, at a very reasonable price. Its exciting in what was otherwise a stagnant market.

I always hear about all these marketing costs, but how many tunze or ecotech commercials do you see? I've been reefing for years, yet I wouldn't even know where to even find a marketing piece from either company, nor care.

You will get better warranty service for sure, but when a wet side replacement costs as much as one of these pumps, does it matter? If these pumps die quickly, then yes it will, but if they last....

If these pumps remain solid and don't fail quickly, they will start becoming widespread just like the good Chinese LEDs. The popularity of these pumps and the Chinese LEDs only exist because of the absurd pricing of the other players in the market. They are filling a void which has been there for quite awhile, and it was only a matter of time before someone seized the opportunity.

[ChadRaay86]

Originally Posted by ashish

This is just my opinion.... I have bought 3 hydor koralias in the past 6 years and 1 has failed by going in reverse; the other 2 have been fine especially the magnum (3200gph). The WP-40 performance is amazing but its to soon to say if it will last more than 1 year or so without problems. Therefore, I ordered 1 and plan on using hydro (3200gph) during the day on a timer - and have the Wp-40 on pulse. That way at least all my marbles are not placed on a new products as I do leave my tank often. There cheap enough you can take a loss but this is for your corals sake.

I am still not sold on there product because I am sure they will encounter at least 5 issues that will later be "new and improved"; like every other company known to man. In a tank of your size with them dimensions 2 WP-40 would be ideal (for starters). Use 2 korlias on the back glass for safety. This will create a great amount of random turbulence (when the jebos hit the hydor's).

Thats what I'm planning on my 300 (72"x36"x27"). I have the hydors on the back wall blasting in opposite directions along my rockwork. I'm guessing it will work quite well

[ChadRaay86]

Originally Posted by jrp1588

I hope these pump a bit of heat. My house gets cold at night. I have trouble keeping the tank warm enough.

literally in the same boat as you. I hope they put out some heat so I don't have to run my heater 24/7 lol

[ChadRaay86]

Originally Posted by bhazard451

There hasn't been much innovation in power heads for years. Its about time someone challenged the two main players with something new, at a very reasonable price. Its exciting in what was otherwise a stagnant market.

I always hear about all these marketing costs, but how many tunze or ecotech commercials do you see? I've been reefing for years, yet I wouldn't even know where to even find a marketing piece from either company, nor care.

You will get better warranty service for sure, but when a wet side replacement costs as much as one of these pumps, does it matter? If these pumps die quickly, then yes it will, but if they last....

If these pumps remain solid and don't fail quickly, they will start becoming widespread just like the good Chinese LEDs. The popularity of these pumps and the Chinese LEDs only exist because of the absurd pricing of the other players in the market. They are filling a void which has been there for quite awhile, and it was only a matter of time before someone seized the opportunity.

+1

I think its absurd to pay 700 plus for a pump to move water or 950 for a single LED unit. Its almost like buying apple products, where you're paying for name over quality. The fancy pumps and LEDs are nice, but I don't need a Ferrari when a Toyota will get the job done just the same

For my tank I could get 21 D120 units for the price of 3 radions and close to 20 WP-40s for the price of a couple MP-60s

[whitesquall]

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[Tickyty]

Originally Posted by ashish

There is a reason why chinese products are cheaper than american or german. German products sell products and factor in prices such as warranties, employees pensions, new developments, marketing, etc. Besides, these people are the ones that created these products and invest a lot of time developing new products.

China just copies name brand products and has zero years invested in there products because they just steal ideas. They don't pay there employees like we (USA) does or they don't factor in warranty and marketing. While, I am against this I feel ecotech and tunze should eventually lower there pricing (But they won't). These new hobbyist don't even know if there going to be in the hobby for the long hall so why would they spend $1000s on pump. I think if chinese products start becoming sound (which they are), many will start purchasing from them even though we much rather purchase tunzes and vortech

I don't fault you for feeling the way you do. I am a manufacturing engineer and my job was to move items to low wage markets previously. Our companies are chasing those markets but in reality 80% of the cost to make your product is in the components. It is true that we want the best deal so we are driving that mentality as a society also. I wish I did not have to buy these cloned products but like it has been previously stated I can buy 4 of these to 1 MP40. With as long as the Vortechs and Tunze's been on the market they should have found ways to reduce their component cost they just have not passed it along to the consumer thus creating fatter margins, which have to be over 50% at this point. I welcome the cheaper competition and hopefully it will drive the cost of the other units down. I firmly believe in you get what you pay for but sometimes the reward outweighs the risk.

[JimXRS]

When competition is low there is no motivation to drop prices. I cannot believe Tunze and EcoTech's part costs are that high although they probably offer better employee packages I do believe they were superior products when they were released but I would be willing to sacrifice a bit of quality for significant savings.

[SimonSKL]

The lighting segment of our hobby has changed tremendously in the last 2-3 years specifically in LEDs. On the contrary the water movement segment was stagnant (pun intended) since the introduction of Vortech wireless system 3 years ago. There has been no major innovation and cost adjustment (except going up and with no discount) with those products for almost 3 years.

While LED lighting continues to evolve, cost of the technology continues to drop because of competition from China. I think many business minded people can see many opportunities in the water movement segment by either introducing an innovative new product or make existing products a lot cheaper. Jebao simply seizes such opportunity and produces a low cost high performance product. You can argue Jebao copies or steals ideas but honestly moving water with an electric motor and a propeller has been around for a long time and I can't see one can still get patent protection on that.

[Editour2]

Following this thread.....can someone post a link to the device most have agreed would be best to control the flow of these units? (other than a controller....IE: Apex).
thanks

Also, not trying to hijack this thread but if you are looking for a controllable inexpensive powerhead has anyone considered the JBJ Oceanstream pumps....2 pumps w/controller for $135....1600gph each. Yes they are not going to move as much water as these wp's but they are an option I had been considering before this thread.

http://www.marinedepot.com/JBJ_Ocean...FIPHFF-vi.html

[Editour2]

Fishstreet also sells these pumps:
http://www.fish-street.com/resun_wav...category_id=35

which has 3 different wave/flow rates and are cheaper ($56 each). Max flow 3968 gph.

[SimonSKL]

Originally Posted by Editour2

Fishstreet also sells these pumps:
http://www.fish-street.com/resun_wav...category_id=35

which has 3 different wave/flow rates and are cheaper ($56 each). Max flow 3968 gph.

This is an AC pump running 220-240V. It won't run in US voltage and I won't put an AC pump in my tank.

[SimonSKL]

Originally Posted by Editour2

Following this thread.....can someone post a link to the device most have agreed would be best to control the flow of these units? (other than a controller....IE: Apex).
thanks

Also, not trying to hijack this thread but if you are looking for a controllable inexpensive powerhead has anyone considered the JBJ Oceanstream pumps....2 pumps w/controller for $135....1600gph each. Yes they are not going to move as much water as these wp's but they are an option I had been considering before this thread.

http://www.marinedepot.com/JBJ_Ocean...FIPHFF-vi.html

It looks like a nice pump but I can't see how a 10 sec cycle, their lowest interval, can generate waves. The pump runs at full power the whole time and the cycles are fixed interval after you select the time and the flow is not random and does not ramp up and down like WP40's ELSE mode.

[Editour2]

Re fishstreet: I sent them a question regarding availability in US voltage....

Re JBJ: I have 2 Tunze 6105's in my 215 and was just looking for some additional flow on the back center of my tank.

If we can control the wp's flow rate then I guess they would be a better alternative.
Still looking for the consensus on which product people have been using to control their flow rate....

[SimonSKL]

Originally Posted by Editour2

Still looking for the consensus on which product people have been using to control their flow rate....

You came to the right place. I think most people who are now using the WP40 are quite happy with how much water this pump can move. The many options that can be used to control this pump is a big plus!

[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by Editour2

Following this thread.....can someone post a link to the device most have agreed would be best to control the flow of these units? (other than a controller....IE: Apex).
thanks

Also, not trying to hijack this thread but if you are looking for a controllable inexpensive powerhead has anyone considered the JBJ Oceanstream pumps....2 pumps w/controller for $135....1600gph each. Yes they are not going to move as much water as these wp's but they are an option I had been considering before this thread.

http://www.marinedepot.com/JBJ_Ocean...FIPHFF-vi.html

I ran the JBJs on my old cube. Didn't like them, and you could hear the clicking each time the pumps turned on. The 10 sec lowest interval was poor for wavemaking.

[jtomasi]

For me it's not about making waves as I don't have room to make "waves". I want the pump because the speed can be adjusted for turbulent, random flow. Why are people suggesting on/off wave making alternatives on this thread? Doesn't make sense to me...it's kind of like a sneakers thread with people suggesting a pair of boots.

[nightOwl]

I finally took my pump out the box. I noticed the magnet is not sealed like an Tunze magnet for inside of pump? Should I be concerned about an exposed magnet?

[DavidinGA]

So the "not possible" group buy for these pumps at $35 each is underway on Atlanta Reef Club Forums. Sucks that I paid full price for mine already. I'm ordering another one for... ~$60ish after its all said and done. Fish street is marking these way the crap up...

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[serpent]

Originally Posted by DavidinGA

So the "not possible" group buy for these pumps at $35 each is underway on Atlanta Reef Club Forums. Sucks that I paid full price for mine already. I'm ordering another one for... ~$60ish after its all said and done. Fish street is marking these way the crap up...

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This isn't concrete yet. He still hasn't gotten a quote on shipping.

[DavidinGA]

Originally Posted by serpent

This isn't concrete yet. He still hasn't gotten a quote on shipping.

Shipping would have to be around $70 per pump for it to not be a better deal than fish street tho...

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[bhazard451]

Originally Posted by DavidinGA

Shipping would have to be around $70 per pump for it to not be a better deal than fish street tho...

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I tried really hard asking them about one, but they aren't very responsive, even at the time differences emailing them late at night. I'd become an Atlanta reefer if its ok there, lol. GBs that aren't from sponsors are not allowed here.

[Editour2]

Originally Posted by Skinnysloth

The one from amazon linked a couple pages back:
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Adap...e+power+supply

How do these connect to the powerheads?

[SimonSKL]

Originally Posted by Editour2

How do these connect to the powerheads?

Don't use that one. Someone said it has a built-in fan which makes quite a bit of noise.

I and many other are using this one. No fan and it runs cool.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You just replace the stock power supply with this and plug into the controller.