Aquaforest products- Component 1+2+3+

[thirst]

If I am already using kalkwasser on my top off, does this just mean I would end up dosing slightly less 1,2,3, and that it is okay to continue to use my kalkwasser?

So let's assume that without Kalkwasser, I would be dosing 150ml, but with Kalkwasser I'm only dosing 100ml, would that create a compromise in the micronutrient perspective?

[plyle02]

Since the forumla is based on macro and micro elements, I would probably choose one or the other, if it were me. I am not sure how these would interact with one another and perhaps could cause interference. I am currently running a nano on kalk, and using some of the AF products, just as an experiment really. I have seen no problems with the way Pro Bio F and kalk interact, I am also using poweder food 2 times per week, Build, Aminomix, and Vitality. So far so good. If it were up to me, I would choose to ditch the kalk and go to the component system, I run it on my 120gallon tank and love it! Cheers

[Diesel3443]

What is the strength of the the Ca and Alk? I want to keep using my diy mix but add in reef mineral salt for the 3rd


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[Diesel3443]

Anyone? I just want to get the balling going. I already have some reef mineral salt

[plyle02]

Diesel,
I am not sure of the exact strength, but I am currently using component system 123 and had to increase again today, I am currently doing 220ml per day on my 120 gallon sps reef. I was previously using 2 part from Seachem Reef Fusion. I was dosing less than half, around 80ml of the 2part per day. Now keep in mind, that when I did try BRS 2 part, I was about double of the Seachem Fusion. So it is not as concentrated as other 2 parts I have used, but the impact on the colors of my corals has been noticeable. I hope this helps a bit, the instructions for mixing are mentioned by Michael, as he currently mixes his own balling components. In this thread I think he gave instruction that came with the products. Cheers!

[Diesel3443]

Hmm. Let me try and find it. I just want to make sure I am dosing the mineral salt in the balanced equation.

[cham]

I think Kalk is known for precipitating heavy metals while it's in solution in it's container. Since component 1,2,3 have such metals, if you're planning on continuing Kalk I'd make sure it's not being dosed at the same time in the same place in your sump.


Also, as I understand, AF 1,2,3 is designed to replace micro nutrients in the same ratio as the corals use KH & CA. If you're using a second source for the KH and CA you're not likely going to see the full benefit of the 1,2,3 micro's.

[plyle02]

Originally Posted by cham

I think Kalk is known for precipitating heavy metals while it's in solution in it's container. Since component 1,2,3 have such metals, if you're planning on continuing Kalk I'd make sure it's not being dosed at the same time in the same place in your sump.


Also, as I understand, AF 1,2,3 is designed to replace micro nutrients in the same ratio as the corals use KH & CA. If you're using a second source for the KH and CA you're not likely going to see the full benefit of the 1,2,3 micro's.

Nice point Charles!

[Diesel3443]

Originally Posted by cham

I think Kalk is known for precipitating heavy metals while it's in solution in it's container. Since component 1,2,3 have such metals, if you're planning on continuing Kalk I'd make sure it's not being dosed at the same time in the same place in your sump.


Also, as I understand, AF 1,2,3 is designed to replace micro nutrients in the same ratio as the corals use KH & CA. If you're using a second source for the KH and CA you're not likely going to see the full benefit of the 1,2,3 micro's.

Agreed. I am planning on adding components strong and I also already dose Micro E and Coral E that contain some micros

[westreef]

Originally Posted by cham

I think Kalk is known for precipitating heavy metals while it's in solution in it's container. Since component 1,2,3 have such metals, if you're planning on continuing Kalk I'd make sure it's not being dosed at the same time in the same place in your sump.


Also, as I understand, AF 1,2,3 is designed to replace micro nutrients in the same ratio as the corals use KH & CA. If you're using a second source for the KH and CA you're not likely going to see the full benefit of the 1,2,3 micro's.

Thanks Charles. it makes a lot of sense. I will remove kalk from my ATO water.

[plyle02]

Originally Posted by Diesel3443

Agreed. I am planning on adding components strong and I also already dose Micro E and Coral E that contain some micros

Diesel,
With use of Kalkwasser, I would suggest automating component abc. This would cover micro elements, while the kalk satisfies the macro elements. Personally, I would look into component 123 so that you have everything you need in 3 parts, this has been one of the best move I have made with my tank so far. Kind of like "set it and forget it" mentality

[Diesel3443]

Originally Posted by plyle02

Diesel,
With use of Kalkwasser, I would suggest automating component abc. This would cover micro elements, while the kalk satisfies the macro elements. Personally, I would look into component 123 so that you have everything you need in 3 parts, this has been one of the best move I have made with my tank so far. Kind of like "set it and forget it" mentality

I pulled the Kalk off recently, for some reason, my alk stays stable for a while, then jumps with it. I decided to move to 2 part. The only thing holding me back from the 1,2,3 is pricing. Diy two part is just too cheap, and I have a bunch of chemicals still left at home.

So right now, I am dosing CaCl , NaCO3, and Reef mineral salt.

I also am dosing

Micro E
Coral E
ProbioS (using vinegar for now, need to move to np Pro

Also running Zeo mix, Phos Minus, and Carbon

What would you suggest I add for micro elements I am missing?

[M007]

As my ESV CA/ALK/MG are just about out I am planning on refilling with comp 1-2-3. Any suggestions on adjusting the daily dosing? I've used 1 bucket of AF reef salt and now working my way through a bucket of AF probiotic.

[Magem]

Hi,
I am dosing 1,2,3 but I want to go for a cheaper option. I am thinking in buying Kh buffer, Ca, mineral salts and components strong to do it myself. However I want to do the same concentration as components 1,2,3 in order to keep stability. What amount of each part should I dose?
Thanks!


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[plyle02]

Originally Posted by M007

As my ESV CA/ALK/MG are just about out I am planning on refilling with comp 1-2-3. Any suggestions on adjusting the daily dosing? I've used 1 bucket of AF reef salt and now working my way through a bucket of AF probiotic.

Depending on your consumption rate, I would imagine you will need a bit more than ESV, so if you are currently dosing 50ml for example, I would start with 80ml and measure alk everyday at the same time to figure out consumption rate. As soon as you lock it in and know that the alk is holding steady from one day to the next, then that is your consumption rate to set the dosers. I currently use 220ml on my 120 gallon reef.
Cheers

Originally Posted by Magem

Hi,
I am dosing 1,2,3 but I want to go for a cheaper option. I am thinking in buying Kh buffer, Ca, mineral salts and components strong to do it myself. However I want to do the same concentration as components 1,2,3 in order to keep stability. What amount of each part should I dose?


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For DIY balling, you would need:
AF KH Buffer
AF Calcium
AF Magnesium
Reef Mineral Salt
Component Strong

This requires 3 vessels to be mixed in, then dosed to reef in equal parts.

The mixing directions are here:

CONTAINER 1:
Aquaforest Calcium - Dissolve 50g in 1000ml of deionized water
Aquaforest Magnesium - Add 10g
Component A Strong - Add 5ml
Component B Strong - Add 5ml

CONTAINER 2:
Aquaforest KH Buffer - Dissolve 80g in 1000ml of deionized water
Component C Strong - Add 5ml

CONTAINER 3:
Aquaforest Reef Mineral Salt - Dissolve 25g in 1000ml of deionized water
Component K Strong - Add 5ml

[M007]

Thanks for the tip, it sounds like I'm in for lots of testing.

[Magem]

Many thanks!!!


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[carlosmos]

Any people use this option? I'm thinking to do it by myself next time


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[MichaelW]

I use it. Its the same as the premixed stuff.

[Diesel3443]

What are the ppm levels of
Aquaforest Calcium - Dissolve 50g in 1000ml of deionized water
Aquaforest KH Buffer - Dissolve 80g in 1000ml of deionized water

[Cyberdude]

Originally Posted by plyle02

Diesel,
I am not sure of the exact strength, but I am currently using component system 123 and had to increase again today, I am currently doing 220ml per day on my 120 gallon sps reef. I was previously using 2 part from Seachem Reef Fusion. I was dosing less than half, around 80ml of the 2part per day. Now keep in mind, that when I did try BRS 2 part, I was about double of the Seachem Fusion. So it is not as concentrated as other 2 parts I have used, but the impact on the colors of my corals has been noticeable. I hope this helps a bit, the instructions for mixing are mentioned by Michael, as he currently mixes his own balling components. In this thread I think he gave instruction that came with the products. Cheers!

Something doesn't make sense to me. In a 5l jug 220ml a day will only last 22 days. So that's 1050$ a year?

[plyle02]

Originally Posted by Cyberdude

Something doesn't make sense to me. In a 5l jug 220ml a day will only last 22 days. So that's 1050$ a year?

Yes, that is why I think I will eventually head in the direction of CARX Keep in mind that my tank has over 50 different acros, most are colonies too. So I do pull a heavy amount of the balling pre-mix. Cheers!

[MichaelW]

380ml per day here! It's why I don't get the premises stuff and mix my own with powders to cut back the cost a little. Haven't actually worked out how much it costs to make for example 5 gallons of each yourself to compare to the premixed but I'm sure it's less. Not sure I want to know the actual amount it's costing me per month. I might cry.

[plyle02]

Originally Posted by MichaelW

380ml per day here! It's why I don't get the premises stuff and mix my own with powders to cut back the cost a little. Haven't actually worked out how much it costs to make for example 5 gallons of each yourself to compare to the premixed but I'm sure it's less. Not sure I want to know the actual amount it's costing me per month. I might cry.

After seeing pics of your tank, the last thing I would do is cry, lol... The premix is amazing on my reef, and the lack of cost in trace is something that is under-addressed. Not having to buy several bottles of various trace formulas is so understated in both pre-mix and DIY mix. Cheers Michael!!!

[MichaelW]

Originally Posted by plyle02

After seeing pics of your tank, the last thing I would do is cry, lol... The premix is amazing on my reef, and the lack of cost in trace is something that is under-addressed. Not having to buy several bottles of various trace formulas is so understated in both pre-mix and DIY mix. Cheers Michael!!!

Completely agree. Its great not having to dose any other trace for anything and knowing that as it's linked to consumption you shouldn't really be over dosing (or under dosing) anything.