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Newbie Aquarist · 02/11/2015, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanr

I'm looking at doing either the A160we or A360we on a 8'x2'x2' FOWLR tank. They both say they cover 24" of surface area. Any suggestions?

Maybe 4 360WE if no plans for corals. If so then 6 or 8 depending on corals.

Zacktosterone · 02/11/2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanr

I'm looking at doing either the A160we or A360we on a 8'x2'x2' FOWLR tank. They both say they cover 24" of surface area. Any suggestions?

They actually cover WAY MORE they cover 36x36 easy in my experience. But the more space you have the spottier

mnkykng77 · 02/11/2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bryanr

I'm looking at doing either the A160we or A360we on a 8'x2'x2' FOWLR tank. They both say they cover 24" of surface area. Any suggestions?

If its strictly a FOWLR tank i would get the 160's and use the extra cash for other stuff. I'm running 3 on a 5ft wide tank.

Tcook · 02/11/2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by debincalif

Tcook, off topic, but do you have a bigger pic of your FTS that's in your avatar? I'd love to see your tank!!

This is my shameless plug.

2 x Iwasaki 150 watt MH/440 watt VHO

2 x Hamilton 250 watt MH

4x Kessil a360we waiting to grow out.

Zacktosterone · 02/11/2015, 08:51 PM

From deep sand bed to bare bottom?

Tcook · 02/11/2015, 08:53 PM

Yes. Before that it was a plenum. I've tried them all

Zacktosterone · 02/11/2015, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcook

Yes. Before that it was a plenum. I've tried them all

Lol woa

debincalif · 02/11/2015, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcook

This is my shameless plug.

2 x Iwasaki 150 watt MH/440 watt VHO

2 x Hamilton 250 watt MH

4x Kessil a360we waiting to grow out.

Very nice! What are the dimensions of the tank?

lhm nole · 02/11/2015, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Newbie Aquarist

Maybe 4 360WE if no plans for corals. If so then 6 or 8 depending on corals.

Spoke with kessil today because I am upgrading and was told 4 would be plenty for a mix reef I currently have 6 350's

Newbie Aquarist · 02/12/2015, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lhm nole

Spoke with kessil today because I am upgrading and was told 4 would be plenty for a mix reef I currently have 6 350's

Well there it is.

slief · 02/12/2015, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lhm nole

Spoke with kessil today because I am upgrading and was told 4 would be plenty for a mix reef I currently have 6 350's

I agree with Kessil 100%. I have 8 of the 360WE's of my 480g display which is 8'x4'x2' tall and my coverage is great and my mixed reef thrives under the Kessils. This shot was taken about a week ago.

Newbie Aquarist · 02/12/2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by slief

I agree with Kessil 100%. I have 8 of the 360WE's of my 480g display which is 8'x4'x2' tall and my coverage is great and my mixed reef thrives under the Kessils. This shot was taken about a week ago.

Yiur tank is so much sleeker since you removed the Coralline algae.

Zacktosterone · 02/12/2015, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Newbie Aquarist

Yiur tank is so much sleeker since you removed the Coralline algae.

+1 lol

zoomonster · 02/12/2015, 12:05 PM

I've been running 3x 250w MH and 4x 80w T5 over my 6ft 200g DSA and just switched to Kessil's about a week ago. Long story but got tired of e bills and heat issues and decided to give LED a shot and got 3 x 360WE's with goosenecks controlled by my apex. I like them but even at full power they are not even close in light intensity to a 250 MH and even though rated for a 24x24 area (my tank x 3) that's a bit of a reach. I have not measured light but my Nikon is all telling with flash generally needed to take pics under these lights. I do have a SPS heavy mixed tank and while 3 might be fine for many mostly soft and LPS tanks I feel mine needs at least two more lights Not just to increase light but to reduce shadowing). One more might be sufficient but spacing them with a center overflow and two cross braces is a problem. Compared to other solutions like Radion they seem to be cost effective but when I add two more lights w/ goosenecks at $840 its back in the realm of more expensive solutions. Probably going to go that route though as I do like the kessils and would like to make it work.

goreef170 · 02/12/2015, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomonster

I've been running 3x 250w MH and 4x 80w T5 over my 6ft 200g DSA and just switched to Kessil's about a week ago. Long story but got tired of e bills and heat issues and decided to give LED a shot and got 3 x 360WE's with goosenecks controlled by my apex. I like them but even at full power they are not even close in light intensity to a 250 MH and even though rated for a 24x24 area (my tank x 3) that's a bit of a reach. I have not measured light but my Nikon is all telling with flash generally needed to take pics under these lights. I do have a SPS heavy mixed tank and while 3 might be fine for many mostly soft and LPS tanks I feel mine needs at least two more lights Not just to increase light but to reduce shadowing). One more might be sufficient but spacing them with a center overflow and two cross braces is a problem. Compared to other solutions like Radion they seem to be cost effective but when I add two more lights w/ goosenecks at $840 its back in the realm of more expensive solutions. Probably going to go that route though as I do like the kessils and would like to make it work.

Following along… Hope it works out for ya

How about a pic of you set up

Zacktosterone · 02/12/2015, 12:23 PM

+1 I as well

Tcook · 02/12/2015, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomonster

but when I add two more lights

I agree that you need 6 360s for a 6 foot tank. I use 4 over my 4 foot tank for better coverage as well as getting around live rock peaks. Even though they do not look as bright as MH they are intense and you can easily burn corals. Start at a lower intensity and slowly ramp up.

Newbie Aquarist · 02/12/2015, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcook

I agree that you need 6 360s for a 6 foot tank. I use 4 over my 4 foot tank for better coverage as well as getting around live rock peaks. Even though they do not look as bright as MH they are intense and you can easily burn corals. Start at a lower intensity and slowly ramp up.

I feel out of place because I have 4 of the 360NE across the front and back of my tank and no shadowing.

Tcook · 02/12/2015, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Newbie Aquarist

I feel out of place because I have 4 of the 360NE across the front and back of my tank and no shadowing.

Send 4 of them to me. Problem solved

Newbie Aquarist · 02/12/2015, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcook

Send 4 of them to me. Problem solved

Lolol. I'm sure it will be.

zoomonster · 02/12/2015, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcook

I agree that you need 6 360s for a 6 foot tank. I use 4 over my 4 foot tank for better coverage as well as getting around live rock peaks. Even though they do not look as bright as MH they are intense and you can easily burn corals. Start at a lower intensity and slowly ramp up.

Yeah if not for the center overflow I would need 6 lights. With the overflow the center light is more forward and a little closer to tank than the other two. I went ahead and ordered two more lights, cables and goosenecks at $874 due in tomorrow. I usually buy from a local place with 1 day free ground and a coupon to offset sales tax.

Tcook · 02/12/2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomonster

Yeah if not for the center overflow I would need 6 lights. With the overflow the center light is more forward and a little closer to tank than the other two. I went ahead and ordered two more lights, cables and goosenecks at $874 due in tomorrow. I usually buy from a local place with 1 day free ground and a coupon to offset sales tax.

You can always turn the intensity down if need be. Mine hit a max of 75% at mid photoperiod and they are 8-10 inches above the water. Most of the day they run at 15-20% color.

Coupon on a MAP controlled item? Was that a generic store coupon?

SaltyOctopus99 · 02/14/2015, 09:03 AM

Just got my first kessil from a buddy of mine. A150 ocean blue. I'm looking to put it over the new IM fusion 40. Will I need to add another kessil over it? If so if I get the a160 can it be tuned to look like the ocean blue I have or will one side of my tank be more powerful than the other? New to these kessils anything will help. Thanks!

Tcook · 02/14/2015, 10:38 AM

Yes. You can tune color and intensity of the 160. You could also do the same with a 360 and tune it down. That way you have a light that can be used down the road for a larger tank upgrade.

zoomonster · 02/14/2015, 05:36 PM

Mounted the two additional lights Friday and looking better. Just really appreciating it today though as water has been a little cloudy the past few days. Looks like I had a little algae bloom likely as a side effect of switching lighting types. I put in three poly socks (I don't always use or sometimes just mesh) and it cleaned up pretty good. Well that and two treatments with CZ coral snow. This tank just past the 8m mark and I also got a little red cyano (first time) after switching lights (and/or maybe the new Gyre pattern)

One interesting note though... when the water was cloudy, despite the light being diffused you can still make out each individual light beam. Still tweaking but made some changes last night and running at 65p/80c at peak ramping up and down from 20p/0c. I'm liking 80c a little better than 90c I was running. I expect I will eventually be running at 80%+ power. Lights come on at 9am and ramp up to 12pm when my halides used to come on. They ramp down 7-9 and sit at 20p/0c until 10. I really enjoy the last few hours when all the actinically active stuff goes on fire.

02/11/2015, 08:51 PM	#105
Zacktosterone Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sault Ste Marie Ont Posts: 2,475	From deep sand bed to bare bottom?

02/11/2015, 08:53 PM	#106
Tcook Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 1,350	Yes. Before that it was a plenum. I've tried them all

02/12/2015, 12:05 PM	#114
zoomonster Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Central Florida Posts: 527	I've been running 3x 250w MH and 4x 80w T5 over my 6ft 200g DSA and just switched to Kessil's about a week ago. Long story but got tired of e bills and heat issues and decided to give LED a shot and got 3 x 360WE's with goosenecks controlled by my apex. I like them but even at full power they are not even close in light intensity to a 250 MH and even though rated for a 24x24 area (my tank x 3) that's a bit of a reach. I have not measured light but my Nikon is all telling with flash generally needed to take pics under these lights. I do have a SPS heavy mixed tank and while 3 might be fine for many mostly soft and LPS tanks I feel mine needs at least two more lights Not just to increase light but to reduce shadowing). One more might be sufficient but spacing them with a center overflow and two cross braces is a problem. Compared to other solutions like Radion they seem to be cost effective but when I add two more lights w/ goosenecks at $840 its back in the realm of more expensive solutions. Probably going to go that route though as I do like the kessils and would like to make it work.

02/12/2015, 12:23 PM	#116
Zacktosterone Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Sault Ste Marie Ont Posts: 2,475	+1 I as well

02/14/2015, 09:03 AM	#123
SaltyOctopus99 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 43	Just got my first kessil from a buddy of mine. A150 ocean blue. I'm looking to put it over the new IM fusion 40. Will I need to add another kessil over it? If so if I get the a160 can it be tuned to look like the ocean blue I have or will one side of my tank be more powerful than the other? New to these kessils anything will help. Thanks!

02/14/2015, 10:38 AM	#124
Tcook Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Visalia, CA Posts: 1,350	Yes. You can tune color and intensity of the 160. You could also do the same with a 360 and tune it down. That way you have a light that can be used down the road for a larger tank upgrade.

02/14/2015, 05:36 PM	#125
zoomonster Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Central Florida Posts: 527	Mounted the two additional lights Friday and looking better. Just really appreciating it today though as water has been a little cloudy the past few days. Looks like I had a little algae bloom likely as a side effect of switching lighting types. I put in three poly socks (I don't always use or sometimes just mesh) and it cleaned up pretty good. Well that and two treatments with CZ coral snow. This tank just past the 8m mark and I also got a little red cyano (first time) after switching lights (and/or maybe the new Gyre pattern) One interesting note though... when the water was cloudy, despite the light being diffused you can still make out each individual light beam. Still tweaking but made some changes last night and running at 65p/80c at peak ramping up and down from 20p/0c. I'm liking 80c a little better than 90c I was running. I expect I will eventually be running at 80%+ power. Lights come on at 9am and ramp up to 12pm when my halides used to come on. They ramp down 7-9 and sit at 20p/0c until 10. I really enjoy the last few hours when all the actinically active stuff goes on fire.