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XXXMONKXXX · 01/31/2009, 01:33 PM

i have had really good luck with Garlic in there food.......and a good diet........they usually can come out of it....or i been lucky....lol

Aquarist007 · 02/01/2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by newbieruss
capn,
so what is the best way to treat a powder brown tang? i have a spotted sweet lip, an ocellaris clown, two scotts damsels and a mandarin. also if hypo salinity is the best way would a digital salinity pen be accurate enough?

and to get this right, i should treat all new additions as if they had ick and treat accordingly?

Is the powder brown tang new---assuming that--is it in a separate quarantine tank away from the other fish?

a digital salinity pen would be fine to use.

If you go to my captn's log book blog you will se an blog on how to hyposalinate.

Aquarist007 · 02/01/2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by XXXMONKXXX
i have had really good luck with Garlic in there food.......and a good diet........they usually can come out of it....or i been lucky....lol

there is alot of anecdotal evidence that using garlic guard in moderation can, over time, increase the immune systems in fish. This does not prevent ich but helps them "come out of it" safely as you stated.

Aquarist007 · 02/01/2009, 12:15 AM

I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank.

IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet.

Aquarist007 · 02/01/2009, 12:20 AM

I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank.

IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet.

newbieruss · 02/01/2009, 12:39 AM

capn,
again so im clear. you do the hyposalinity to all your new additions?
and no the tang in question is not in quaranteen yet. he is doing remarkably well so far. only a week though. but he eats like a savage. sea weed, mysis, frozen formula two, brine.

Aquarist007 · 02/02/2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by newbieruss
capn,
again so im clear. you do the hyposalinity to all your new additions?
and no the tang in question is not in quaranteen yet. he is doing remarkably well so far. only a week though. but he eats like a savage. sea weed, mysis, frozen formula two, brine.

I observe the fish in quarantine for 4 weeks---if I see no visible signs of ich by then I do not treat with hyposalination

If ich develops then the treatment starts from that point.

If your brown tang is already in the display tank--then lets hope it doesn't develop ich--otherwise you are faced with treating all fish in the display tank and leaving the display tank fishless for 6 weeks.

ch0ii · 02/02/2009, 11:16 AM

i must have known this earlier.. now my imperator is suffering.. all i can do is bath it, put some garlics on its food and still it survives... but its still there... aww...

ch0ii · 02/02/2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by capn_hylinur
you can treat with hyposalination
or copper
or both.

For hyposalination to be effective you must bring the salinity down to 1.009. I would really recommend using a refractometer for accuracy.

thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

Aquarist007 · 02/03/2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by ch0ii
thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

setup up a hang on the side filter on your display tank for 3-5 days. Then transfer it over to your quarantine tank---this will be seeded with enough bacteria to keep the ammonia down.

you can also add a piece of live rock from your established tank--hyposalination will not destroy the bacteria on it

use water from your tank to fill your qt tank

maximum two fish in the qt tank.

keep an eye on the ammonia levels and be prepared to do a water change if they rise.

Aquarist007 · 02/03/2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by ch0ii
thank you sir... again can i ask... can i put some filter on my quarantine/hospital tank? how many fish can a 20 gallon aquarium have? for hyposalination, ill use glass floating hydrometer... hope its accurate...

I would recommend that you purchase a refractometer before treating your fish with hyposalination.
The salinity level has to be maintained at 1.009. Any higher the treatment might not kill off all the ich
Below 1.009 will cause major distress to the fish as their internal osmotic concentration is 1.008

Here is some information on refractometers:

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=265

ch0ii · 02/03/2009, 10:08 AM

uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

Aquarist007 · 02/03/2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by ch0ii
uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

you can get a test kit for it or use one of these:

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=311

what are the fish you have and their approximate sizes?

jenglish · 02/03/2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by ch0ii
uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks..

We sometimes interchangably use the terms QT and HT (hospital tank) Technically the QT only needs to be big enough for whatever new fish you are getting. So if you are buying small fish one at a time you would need only a single small tank. To treat in a HT you need either a big enough tank for all of them or individual tanks. If they all have ich it doesn't really matter too much that they are all in the same larger HT.

HTH

ch0ii · 02/04/2009, 11:49 AM

oh.. that's it... uhmm.. thanks jeremy.. i think i ned a hospital tank... a tertiary hospital with ICU and ambulance..=)

theofilos · 02/06/2009, 02:38 AM

I have a problem deciding how to quarantine my fish. My dilemma is that with copper u can get 100% guarantee u will introduce ur fish 100% disease free in your display tank, while hyposalinity leaves a big margin there. But I think copper has a heavier impact on the fish. I don't know which one to decide. Thing is with hyposalinity u can only cure ich but there has also been reports on hyposalinity resistant strains of ich. I don't have problem with quarantining each fish for 2 months but at least to be 100% that u will have a fish parasite free. Any thoughts on this one? Thank you for your time.

Aquarist007 · 02/06/2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by theofilos
I have a problem deciding how to quarantine my fish. My dilemma is that with copper u can get 100% guarantee u will introduce ur fish 100% disease free in your display tank, while hyposalinity leaves a big margin there. But I think copper has a heavier impact on the fish. I don't know which one to decide. Thing is with hyposalinity u can only cure ich but there has also been reports on hyposalinity resistant strains of ich. I don't have problem with quarantining each fish for 2 months but at least to be 100% that u will have a fish parasite free. Any thoughts on this one? Thank you for your time.

copper can be problematic too if you don't follow the directions to the letter.
it has been reported a number of times that tangs can react negatively to copper.

with regards to the report that there are hyposalinty resistant strains of ich---do you have a link to that report or article---seems like an interesting one to read.

Aquarist007 · 02/06/2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by theofilos
I have a problem deciding how to quarantine my fish. My dilemma is that with copper u can get 100% guarantee u will introduce ur fish 100% disease free in your display tank, while hyposalinity leaves a big margin there. But I think copper has a heavier impact on the fish. I don't know which one to decide. Thing is with hyposalinity u can only cure ich but there has also been reports on hyposalinity resistant strains of ich. I don't have problem with quarantining each fish for 2 months but at least to be 100% that u will have a fish parasite free. Any thoughts on this one? Thank you for your time.

I believe that you cannot have the situation where you are 100 percent ich free or your fish will never come in contact with it.

Rather you take the steps to qt all your fish and keep the exposure of other fish to it at a minimum ; feed a healthy diet so they are strong enough to fend off the seriousness of a disease if they become exposed to it.

Elysia · 02/06/2009, 02:32 PM

I just want to put in a suggestion here. I have read differing theories as to whether or not hyposalinity will kill crypt/ich. That said, I think that it is a viable treatment for ich, especially for those fish that are sensitive to copper based treatment.

I do think it is important, however, to remind people who are using hyposalinity in a treatment tank that they should carefully and completely vaccum or otherwise clean/siphon the bottom of their treatment tank at least every other day. This way, if hyposalinity has not killed the ich, it will be removed from the system.

If one wanted to add an additional safety net, a UV unit could be used on the treatment tank as added protection against any free swiming ich.

jenglish · 02/06/2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Elysia
I just want to put in a suggestion here. I have read differing theories as to whether or not hyposalinity will kill crypt/ich. That said, I think that it is a viable treatment for ich, especially for those fish that are sensitive to copper based treatment.

I do think it is important, however, to remind people who are using hyposalinity in a treatment tank that they should carefully and completely vaccum or otherwise clean/siphon the bottom of their treatment tank at least every other day. This way, if hyposalinity has not killed the ich, it will be removed from the system.

If one wanted to add an additional safety net, a UV unit could be used on the treatment tank as added protection against any free swiming ich.

A standard UV filter does not process enough of the free swimming ich to have much effect IMO. Most do not have sufficient strength to sterilize much less kill crypto unless you greatly increased contact time.

Aquarist007 · 02/06/2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by jenglish
A standard UV filter does not process enough of the free swimming ich to have much effect IMO. Most do not have sufficient strength to sterilize much less kill crypto unless you greatly increased contact time.

this is very true but a uv filter does add some extra protection--although very little in comparison to the three preferred methods of treating ich--all requiring a quarantine tank.
hypo salination
copper based medication
and series of complete water changes coinciding with the stages of ich.

IMO---personally I would put more faith in a balanced nutritional diet for my fish including vitamins, garlic in moderation, and fish oils--to increase the strength of the immunity systems.

jasonrp104 · 02/11/2009, 05:44 AM

Can someone explain the formalin dipping process or point me in the right direction?

Please

Aquarist007 · 02/11/2009, 07:33 AM

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Originally posted by jasonrp104
Can someone explain the formalin dipping process or point me in the right direction?

Please

http://www.reefcentral.com/wp/?p=283

jasonrp104 · 02/11/2009, 07:37 AM

jasonrp104 · 02/11/2009, 07:44 AM

One quick question: How long in the bath water before the rinse water?

okay..2: how long in the rinse water?

02/01/2009, 12:15 AM	#129
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank. IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet. __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

02/01/2009, 12:20 AM	#130
Aquarist007 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hamilton, Canada Posts: 28,240 Blog Entries: 1	I should add that with qt'ing all new fish I have never had an outbreak of ich in the display tank. IMO the qt'ing of all new fish and possibly treating them before they enter the display tank is probably your best bet. __________________ I prefer my substrates stirred but not shaken Current Tank Info: 150gal long mixed reef, 90gal sump, 60 gal refugium with 200 lbs live rock

02/02/2009, 11:16 AM	#133
ch0ii Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: philippines Posts: 23	i must have known this earlier.. now my imperator is suffering.. all i can do is bath it, put some garlics on its food and still it survives... but its still there... aww... __________________ reefers are the best hobbyists! Current Tank Info: 75 Gal marine tank with 30 gal sump with refugium, protein skimmer and a 3,000 Liters per hour return pump 60 watts.

02/03/2009, 10:08 AM	#137
ch0ii Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: philippines Posts: 23	uhmm... if two fishes only then i should have many qt tanks... cause i have 8 fishes in the display tank.. how do i watch for ammonia rise? this site is very helpful specially with u sir... thanks.. __________________ reefers are the best hobbyists! Current Tank Info: 75 Gal marine tank with 30 gal sump with refugium, protein skimmer and a 3,000 Liters per hour return pump 60 watts.

02/04/2009, 11:49 AM	#140
ch0ii Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: philippines Posts: 23	oh.. that's it... uhmm.. thanks jeremy.. i think i ned a hospital tank... a tertiary hospital with ICU and ambulance..=) __________________ reefers are the best hobbyists! Current Tank Info: 75 Gal marine tank with 30 gal sump with refugium, protein skimmer and a 3,000 Liters per hour return pump 60 watts.

01/31/2009, 01:33 PM	#126
XXXMONKXXX Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Speigletown,NY Posts: 14	i have had really good luck with Garlic in there food.......and a good diet........they usually can come out of it....or i been lucky....lol

02/01/2009, 12:39 AM	#131
newbieruss Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta Posts: 31	capn, again so im clear. you do the hyposalinity to all your new additions? and no the tang in question is not in quaranteen yet. he is doing remarkably well so far. only a week though. but he eats like a savage. sea weed, mysis, frozen formula two, brine.

02/06/2009, 02:38 AM	#141
theofilos Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Greece Posts: 256	I have a problem deciding how to quarantine my fish. My dilemma is that with copper u can get 100% guarantee u will introduce ur fish 100% disease free in your display tank, while hyposalinity leaves a big margin there. But I think copper has a heavier impact on the fish. I don't know which one to decide. Thing is with hyposalinity u can only cure ich but there has also been reports on hyposalinity resistant strains of ich. I don't have problem with quarantining each fish for 2 months but at least to be 100% that u will have a fish parasite free. Any thoughts on this one? Thank you for your time.

02/06/2009, 02:32 PM	#144
Elysia Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 1,718	I just want to put in a suggestion here. I have read differing theories as to whether or not hyposalinity will kill crypt/ich. That said, I think that it is a viable treatment for ich, especially for those fish that are sensitive to copper based treatment. I do think it is important, however, to remind people who are using hyposalinity in a treatment tank that they should carefully and completely vaccum or otherwise clean/siphon the bottom of their treatment tank at least every other day. This way, if hyposalinity has not killed the ich, it will be removed from the system. If one wanted to add an additional safety net, a UV unit could be used on the treatment tank as added protection against any free swiming ich.

02/11/2009, 05:44 AM	#147
jasonrp104 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: vt Posts: 1,113	Can someone explain the formalin dipping process or point me in the right direction? Please

02/11/2009, 07:37 AM	#149
jasonrp104 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: vt Posts: 1,113

02/11/2009, 07:44 AM	#150
jasonrp104 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: vt Posts: 1,113	One quick question: How long in the bath water before the rinse water? okay..2: how long in the rinse water?